Gross margin doesn't tell you if something is profitable, though.
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Microsoft FY2015 Q2: 6.6M 360+XBO Shipped
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Gross margin doesn't tell you if something is profitable, though.
So, taking my previous calculations which left us at 7.4m up to Q3 2014.
I'd say that Xbox 360 shipments this quarter could be as high as 2.5m but as low as 2.0m
So that would leave us with Xbox One with 4.1m-4.6m
So.... total shipped for X1 would be 11.5m-12.0m
I made a prediction in January 2014 that X1 shipments would reach 11.7m units by end of 2014 shipped.... what do I win?
Amazing that 360 is doing such good figures whilst collapsing in the US, did only 700k~ there this holiday.
The Shogun
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Joke post?
That's decent for Xbox One.
That many sold/shipped in a little over a year is bad? Seems good to me. The revenue portion is what I think looks bad.
Jimmyfenix
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When does Sonys financials come out ?
Very true. But that's all we've got. Also, oddly enough, they don't mention cost of revenue as being significantly higher for Xbox One sales over the quarter. They usually list that when discounts or price drops are done.
13 million would mean that they shipped only 2.1M X360 between April and December.
That is extremely unlikely.
El-Pistolero
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11-12 million shipped with put them around 10-11 million sold through...10.5 would be a reasonable figure. Quite good, actually.
SwiftDeath
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February 4th
Retailers and Ubisoft mostly I would guess. And of course less consoles shipped
$50 off plus a pack in game is ~20% of $400.
theprodigy
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Is it really that much worse on a year-by-year basis? It did have 8 years before its successor came out after all....
800k less consoles overall and the price cut??? Surprised it wasn't more tbh!
Cost of Sales wouldn't be affected by a price drop. I thought you were talking about vis-a-vis Xbox 360-dominated quarters (i.e. product mix).
If it costs you $5 to make something, selling it for $10 or for $8 shouldn't affect your cost of sales. Microsoft might take charges against retailer promotions in SG&A though.
Am I misunderstanding?
BibiMaghoo
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No, because:
That is the shipped number if it's correct. If it was sold I wouldn't say that. It's not bad, but it certainly isn't good.
console discounts over the holidays
I would agree with this.
I'll go with a broader estimate though and say between 11.5m-12.0m just to be safe as 3 quarters of combined shipments will never give us an accurate answer.
It was clear that MS would ship a larger number in Q4 2014 but I really didn't expect it to be that close to 12m.
At least shows my sell through estimate showing over 10 million was right.
And yes, next quarter is going to be very low.
JuanLatino
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So according to the AMD financial report it should look like this?
Ps4 = 19.5 Mio consoles sold
Xb1 = 10.5 Mio consoles sold
Ps4 = 19.5 Mio consoles sold
Xb1 = 10.5 Mio consoles sold
Didn't they delay their financials because of the pictures hack?
pretty much (if AMD data was correct).
Nintendo on wednesday but SONY results are delayed due to the sony pictures hack issue.
I still think that is a little high especially since we don't know the split. Isn't xbox 360 available in more markets and more popular?So, taking my previous calculations which left us at 7.4m up to Q3 2014.
I'd say that Xbox 360 shipments this quarter could be as high as 2.5m but as low as 2.0m
So that would leave us with Xbox One with 4.1m-4.6m
So.... total shipped for X1 would be 11.5m-12.0m
I made a prediction in January 2014 that X1 shipments would reach 11.7m units by end of 2014 shipped.... what do I win?
They had 0.8 million lower sales than last year. At least according to the stuff posted in OP.
Selling worse than last year is awesome performance?
GarciaHotspur
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So more or less 9-10 millions sold to consumers ?
airmangataosenai
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Unbelievable, people on this site are seriously estimating that two out of all three shipments for the XBO last quarter are accounted for by sold to end user NPD USA-only sales?
What the hell happened to Sales-Age? These estimates are embarrassingly bad.
What the hell happened to Sales-Age? These estimates are embarrassingly bad.
SwiftDeath
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The AMD report was sold through nearly at 30 million.
They clarified later they meant sold through.
Shipped for X1 will be between 11.5-12.0m
PS4 will be over 19 million.
Not if they have overshipped.
No, this doesn't make sense. 360 was down yoy, (and we know it was down in sales at least 700k thanks to NPD).
10.5m is only achieveable if you think 360 was flat/up YOY.
Welfare
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Impossible. The 360 is dying fast, and is not taking up a majority of the 6.6 million.
If anything the Xbox One is 10.5m units sold to consumers.
Jimmyfenix
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Maybe
The Shogun
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No.
Thats a fine / solid number. Is it godly like PS4? No. But saying shipping 11 - 12 million in around a year is bad is just factually incorrect, especially in its first full year and no major hitters like Halo or Gears
My calculation takes into account sales for the Xbox 360 since 2005 as well as publicly available data. I'm not saying I'm right but I'm saying that I've taken into account a whole lot of data in order to make these calculations.
John Bender
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These shipped and combined numbers "awesome"?
Not really.
Yet you speak of a 12M absolute minimum and maybe even up to 13M.
1st Course
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call is ~1 hour from now. will update the op if anything new was revealed.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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oh this was this month, thanks for the thread.
glad to see surface pros are doing good, i really like them but cant afford it right now (though i had the opportunity to mess with one)
glad to see surface pros are doing good, i really like them but cant afford it right now (though i had the opportunity to mess with one)
In some hearts, yes.
Jimmyfenix
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I have always heard good things about surfaces. Need to pull the trigger one day
Miles means total PS4 + X1...hopefully lol
Miles means total PS4 + X1...hopefully lol
I'm talking about AMD's 30m figure if it wasn't all that obvious.
Chobel
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Near 30m, could mean anything from 27.6m to 29.99m.
theprodigy
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No, it's probably less than that, after all it was "Nearly 30 million" (I think)
No chance the XB1 is at 11.5M sold through.
Not sure about worldwide, but PS2 sold around 500k more in the US in its 9th year on the market than the 360 did (1.8-ish million to 1.3-ish million). Which is impressive since that was the PS3's 3rd year on the market and the 360's 4th. Problem is price. PS2 was $100 at that point.
Worldwide Sony's fiscal reports have the PS2 selling 7.9 million in the fiscal year ending Mar 31 2009, and 7.3 million in the fiscal year ending Mar 31 2010.
RespectThySole
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Seems like my prediction might be spot on:
10.5 million sold-through
11.5-12 million shipped
10.5 million sold-through
11.5-12 million shipped
biglittleps
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I think PS4 is 18.5 -19m and XB1 is 10.5-11m which is close to 30 million reported by AMD.