The ~ is there to indicate the highest possible sales. I don't think it's at 11.5m sell through either.
I do think shipments are around 12m tho, with MS shipping a lot.
NP, they said PS4/Xb1 sell through are approaching 30m.
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The ~ is there to indicate the highest possible sales. I don't think it's at 11.5m sell through either.
I do think shipments are around 12m tho, with MS shipping a lot.
NP, they said PS4/Xb1 sell through are approaching 30m.
I have no clue about what AMD has said, so I was just going off what you posted. Haha, my bad.
Welfare
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Xbox One is probably between 10.8m and 11.2m
airmangataosenai
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Yes, I do. If 7 million was the extreme low-end for the end of the previous quarter and somewhere around 8 million is the high-end, this is the reasonable range. The most important point though is that there's no way XBO did only 4 million last quarter for the reasons stated. Even 4.5 is ridiculous. Estimating that 60-67% of all shipments are accounted for by NPD sales doesn't work.
No. 11.5m is shipped.
18.5m is sold through.
Xbox One will be around 10m-11m sold through to end users.
Dude, I have no idea. I just thought I recalled when they had promotions that they called out cost of revenue being higher and it affecting gross margins for the divisions. But I've also been called an idiot more a few times, so there's that to consider.
Edit: Looks like sales and marketing increased 400 million over the 3 months ending last year. Not sure how much of that increase could be attributes to the Bone discounts and free game promotions. G&A increased about 200 million.
They didn't say this at all, they said they're nearing 10m shipped, which could be constructed as anything at the time (and was) but this was in November.
Shipping 2m in December can easily have happened (and looks like it did.)
You just said the AMD figure is sold through to consumers?
Psycho_Mantis
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wrong.
AMD said 30 million shipped.
I don't think its accurate though.
I'm guessing 19.5-20 million PS4 shipped and 11.5-12 million XB1 shipped.
Sold would probably be 18.5 million PS4 vs 10.5 million XB1.
The Shogun
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I'm think about 10.5 million Xbones sold to consumers.
1st Course
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updated with info from the 10k
The almost 10 Mio shipped was Mid November ...
It´s no problem to be at 10,5 - 11 Mio. sold through 2 months later with Christmas in this period.
justsomeguy
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Good figures in isolation, but damn at that total gap.
Jimmyfenix
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I agree with this
The Shogun
Banned
Yep. Xbone is doing pretty solid business but PS4 is just going nuclear.
For future reference, the well-established symbol for an upper bound is "< X". "~X" usually stands for approximately.
For those who want to see how this gen is doing to last gen-
NEXT GEN:
PS4 CY2013- 4.50m
PS4 CY2014- ~15.00m - 15.50m (estimate based on sell through figures)
Total: 19.50m-20.00m
XOne CY 2013- 3.90m
XOne CY 2014- ~7.60m - 8.10m
Total: 11.50m-12.00m
WiiU CY2012- 3.05m
WiiU CY2013- 2.80m
Total: 5.85m
Cumulative total: 36.85m - 37.85m
LAST GEN
PS3 CY2006- 1.86m
PS3 CY2007- 8.85m
Total: 10.71m
X360 CY2005- 1.50m
X360 CY2006- 8.90m
Total: 10.40m
Wii CY2006- 3.20m
Wii CY2007- 16.95m
Total: 20.15m
Cumulative total: 41.26m
At the moment the Xbox One is doing slightly better than the PS3 and Xbox 360 were at the same point, don't expect that to continue. The Xbox 360 sales continued to rise sharply, I expect Xbox One to do the opposite overall.
PS4 at the moment is doing as good as the Wii.... yes as good as the Wii. It won't continue doing as well as the Wii but it's going to do really amazing over the next few years.
NEXT GEN:
PS4 CY2013- 4.50m
PS4 CY2014- ~15.00m - 15.50m (estimate based on sell through figures)
Total: 19.50m-20.00m
XOne CY 2013- 3.90m
XOne CY 2014- ~7.60m - 8.10m
Total: 11.50m-12.00m
WiiU CY2012- 3.05m
WiiU CY2013- 2.80m
Total: 5.85m
Cumulative total: 36.85m - 37.85m
LAST GEN
PS3 CY2006- 1.86m
PS3 CY2007- 8.85m
Total: 10.71m
X360 CY2005- 1.50m
X360 CY2006- 8.90m
Total: 10.40m
Wii CY2006- 3.20m
Wii CY2007- 16.95m
Total: 20.15m
Cumulative total: 41.26m
At the moment the Xbox One is doing slightly better than the PS3 and Xbox 360 were at the same point, don't expect that to continue. The Xbox 360 sales continued to rise sharply, I expect Xbox One to do the opposite overall.
PS4 at the moment is doing as good as the Wii.... yes as good as the Wii. It won't continue doing as well as the Wii but it's going to do really amazing over the next few years.
No, it's not reasonable at all.
Again:
XB1 up to March 2014: 5.1M
From that point when they combined numbers:
XB1+360=10.1M
If you think that the XB1 is potentially at 13M, this means that they shipped 7.9, meaning that shipment of 360 caps at 2.2M. For the whole of April to December 2014.
There's no way this is remotely a possibility.
Oh, haha.
Yupp, and usually this is reported in a quarterly report. Being the last(third) quarter this was announced usually means that it will be during that quarter.
Jimmyfenix
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Looking forward to Nintendo numbers.
Basically. And the gap is just going to keep increasing.
(second) and just no.
SwiftDeath
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Microsoft's 10k said:
Really wish we could separate the revenue decrease from less sales and the decrease from lower margins on XB1 but at least it's something. It'll be interesting to see what MS's strategy is this year as they certainly still have potential to improve further.
Yes. AMD said almost 30 million sold through.
The 11.5m you used is an estimated sell in number. The actual amount of Xbox One's sold through will be much less than that. Probably around 10.5m sold through.
I will put my money on this.
The Shogun
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There is no chance Xbone is at 10 million shipped. Xbox 360 was hugely down. The math doesn't add up.
The 11.5m is the ceiling, but there is no way of telling how close (or far away) that figure is, so it could be 10.5m sell through, or 11.3m. You say 10.5m, I say 11m, it's all ball park guesses unfortunately.
I do wish the trend of combining numbers never started!
Welfare
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Wii U probably did ~2m in Q4, so I'd say for CY 2014, the Wii U at max did 3.6m shipped.
Where did you see the cost of revenue stuff?
Jimmyfenix
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lol perfect
Pretty much this.
Good/Solid numbers for the Xbox One; it's just that the PS4 numbers are incredible.
Two questions:
1) what was X360 NPD sales over that period?
2) what is the historical US/ROW ratio for X360?
Husky Kaz is best Kaz.
Birgitte2004
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It is quite possible(I would go so far as to say probably) that some of the Xbox One sales in November/December came from shipments in September.
These things take the slow boat after all, and product does not sell immediately.
damn is that a chubby Kaz?
1) 1m~ (April to December)
2) 50% US, but this has dwindled last few years. For instance last holiday 360 did 1.47m sell through in US (Holiday Q), but shipped 3.5m WW (Again, Holiday Q).
So in a year's time the Xbox One outsold what it took Nintendo 2 years to sell with the Wii U, and Sony pretty much doubled the Xbox One in the same timeframe. Remember when the Wii U flopped and people said the PS4 and XB1 would suffer the same fate? Where'd those people go?
It was added to OP.
airmangataosenai
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How is 2.2 million unreasonable for the 360 across 9 months? We don't see Europe sales but the US numbers completely collapsed when the new hardware came out. And as I said, this number is around the ceiling, it's the highest realistic estimate you can make Given the numbers we've seen, can you really say the 260 shipped anywhere near 3 million units for those 9 months? That would average out to 1 million shipments a quarter.....
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"PlayStation Family" all over again.
You know they're not happy with the numbers when they're grouping systems.
You know they're not happy with the numbers when they're grouping systems.
They died. They mistook the prophecies. It was their own ddeaths they saw.
Not just Europe but the Middle East,Asia, Africa basically the whole world who isn't US and UK.
SwiftDeath
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This is what I have been saying. People are drastically raising Xbox one's shipment numbers
Revenue - Cost of Revenue = Gross Margin, so you can back it out that way.
I don't know what "other" is. The margin for the division overall fell 10% (aka cost of revenues grew faster than revenues). Or is Computer and Gaming Hardware its own subdivision now? Microsoft's reporting is like my least favorite. Confusing as all hell.
NPD sales were close to 1m I believe. Someone let me know the exact number.
Ratio worldwide is very hard to get right. Under 50%. Over 40%.