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[Pristine_Condition]

David:

If he's such a great guy, he should have just apologized personally, rather than protect all his tweets and have others basically apologizing for him.

That's how a human being who makes a human mistake should handle a fuckup, IMO. This immediately walling up and going into PR Fortress Mode is going to make him seem like even more of an elitist, corporate shill to the folks that see him that way already.

Your accessibility, (even to criticism,) is why you're so respected around here.

I trust you when you say that his tweet doesnt represent hia real feelings. But I personally don't give a rip if he feels that way or not. As someone who has lived on the coasts as well as in Texas, I know plenty of people with that "flyover states" mentality. It's an attitude that does exist. It's their loss though, and I dokn't care if a representative of a company has that attitude, nor would it weigh on the purchase decision of a product.

I think more people care about his crappy analogies and how they relate to MS's platform than whatever his attitude toward Anytown, USA is.

 

[Mush]

I think you missed the point.

Read the post I quoted.

He's saying you could still play CoD Campaign or LAN offline on the PS4. Durango would require internet to even boot the game up.

Did you miss the point?

 

[ChamplooJones]

Oh wow ..

Goddamn. Y'all doin too much. lol

 

[krypt0nian]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

Holy...

 

[BolognaSoup]

Twitter is so often so tragically amazing isn't it?

 

[Ouren]

I don't want to get Adam fired at all. I want to fire Microsoft from our hearts.

 

[neorej]

While my console may be always online, your servers will not.
Deal with that and maybe we'll talk. Until then: Sony may have my money.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Oh wow ..

lol This is kinda getting out of hand. Yes it's upsetting and the laughs helped ease that tension, but now this is a real issue for both his career and the consoles. Is this really the direction gaming is going?

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

I know how I'm spending my next hour...

So many good ones already!

 

[Dreamgazer]

Always on devices are great -- most people, including myself, demand that out any consumer electronics purchase we make these days. What people really don't like is the idea that a choice that you probably would have made anyway has been forced down your throat in a manner that doesn't logically benefit the end user, and provides many possible drawbacks that interfere with your use of the expensive electronics device you bought.

Microsoft needs to very clearly draw a line that connects mandatory always-on to a benefit to the end user that couldn't exist without the restriction. I'll reserve judgment -- but I'm doubtful that they can pull this off. We already know game experiences can be better when we have auto-updating patches, leaderboards, social integration, etc etc. vs. an offline experience.

The argument I can see them trying is something like "developer can design better games when they have a complete data set of what consumers do in their games." That argument will quickly fall flat for 2 reasons: 1) It's speculative and indirect. 2) It's complete bullshit, because developers should already have more than ample data on usage from the 70% of people who are voluntarily connected to extrapolate the whole. Any self-selection bias is likely to be so small as to be irrelevant.

What device you have is requires always online connection to serve most of its primary functions?
What devices have you demanded always online connection for?

I'll be all for this if the XBOX going to be more of a roku box than a gaming box, but until then...

 

[shinobi602]

shinobi602, good job with this discovery. Great stuff

My pleasure.

 

[Satchel]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

So he's a Sony dev trying to stir shit?

Sorcery was a first party title no?

 

[jbug617]

The worst thing about this for him is that this is not going to blow over any time soon. There isn't a big game release for the next month (Injustice could be but I doubt it) and Microsoft supposedly will announce their next console till late May.

 

[JCreasy]

I jump between GAF and EvlAva and found this post.

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2200505&postcount=46

Granted it's some random person who claims to be a dev, and that wink at the end... so.

ooh snap

 

[Yagharek]

What a fucking clown.

I hope the Internet never let's this guy live this down. How pathetically unprofessional for someone in a position such as his.

The people that are releasing the system are more to blame though. An apologist is bad enough, but not as bad as the ones making the mistakes in the first place.

 

[jaosobno]

The thing is that everyone working for Microsoft is really fucking smart.

LOL

 

[Dennis]

I wonder if he realizes that not every part of the US has reliable internet that stays on all the time?

He ain't living there.

 

[Averon]

Don't give two shits whether this is just a joke and he is not really like that in real life. Do people not understand that if you post shit on your own personal twitter that it is the equivalent of you going out on the public stage and saying those things to a crowd of people? If you want to shoot the shit with friends and stuff you keep everything private. Game developers and people in the enthusiast press seem to not understand this basic concept. People get fired for facebook posts and don't even get hired because of them. Why is twitter seen as different. If you want to troll create a troll account.

For some reason Twitter compels people to post away without any sort of self-imposed filter. The amount of jobs Twitter has claimed has got to be massive.

 

[-COOLIO-]

this kind of feels like a terrible xbox system unveiling.

 

[kaching]

well nobody knows the reason because they didn't announce the console yet. We don't know the features yet

I can't think of a single thing that would be the benefit of constant check-in or else the game gets disabled. Not for me as the customer/player, at least. And I've seen nothing from those endorsing this action that's putting it in any better light. The most forthright rationale seems to be, "why would you ever want to be offline?", aka Just Because We Can.

 

[shinobi602]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

Welp, there you go, confirmed to hell and back lol.

 

[Alchemy]

Welp, guess I'm not buying a Nextbox.

 

[toddhunter]

this kind of feels like a terrible xbox system unveiling.

I will give Microsoft credit, it was better than the kinect circus.

 

[Duckhuntdog]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

Wow, Detective GAF is scary... and fast.

 

[Ouren]

Next we'll find out that the Nextbox uses a PPC processor.

 

[vikingvessel]

More like confirmed to be a stand up guy and coming to a friend's defense publicly.

I'm with you on that, especially with David well aware of how easy it is to fan these flames. Not that I cannot relate to some of the concerns, though the relentless cynicism that permeates so many discussions is a bit of a bummer.

 

[Uno Venova]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

Damn...

 

[Pennywise]

So he's a Sony dev trying to stir shit?

Sorcery was a first party title no?

No.
But given the news on their site "We're proud to announce that The Workshop is developing for PS4. And we're hiring! Come be a part of the Next Generation. "

I'm betting my ass, that they've got an Durango dev kit as well.

http://www.theworkshop.us.com/

@Duckhuntdog
Just googled his gamertag

 

[Colby]

Considering I played the 360 offline mostly...this doesn't bode well. I can hook up my 20+ year old Genesis and rock some Sonic 3 & Knuckles whenever I want. I'm guessing this won't be possible with the Next Box.

Of course, we don't know all the info, so I'm not gonna pass judgment. But if being online is required to play games, then Sony's got themselves another customer.

 

[krypt0nian]

this kind of feels like a terrible xbox system unveiling.

The kind where they randomly stab members of the audience periodically.

 

[Infinite]

Holy shit the meme is killing me

 

[Azull]

I think you missed the point.

Read the post I quoted.

I read it.

I think you missed the point.

 

[Sojgat]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

I'm not afraid of god, detective GAF, but I'm afraid of you.

 

[DimmuBurgerKing]

That portrait of his.. it's like he's staring into my soul.. and passing judgment on its internet connectivity.

 

[ironcreed]

this kind of feels like a terrible xbox system unveiling.

The preview, lol.

 

[Dreamgazer]

this kind of feels like a terrible xbox system unveiling.

I personally do believe he's half joking/partially serious -_-.
I just honestly can't believe people are defending this.

Say the next box will have better games, better services for you, better online functions, etc etc. There's really no need to defend something that will take away user options and limit a segment of your fellow users.

 

[Zinthar]

What device you have is requires always online connection to serve most of its primary functions?
What devices have you demanded always online connection for?

Perhaps I wasn't clear: I meant that his tweet about people wanting devices to be connected (ie always-online) isn't controversial -- it's having the requirement arbitrarily forced upon the user that is the cause of the uproar, which he didn't address.

If Microsoft has any hope of quelling the uproar, they're going to have to come up with something to address this -- otherwise they might as well just issue a statement along the lines of "we're fucking you in the ass because we can... oh, and we like to."

 

[Satchel]

I read it.

I think you missed the point.

So then what was your point?

 

[Reiko]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

 

[MormaPope]

 

[UberTag]

The kind where they randomly stab members of the audience periodically.

But not the ones from Wisconsin and Virginia. They don't matter.

 

[xelloss12]

LOL

It's true. But being smart at coding or testing, or managing software projects doesn't mean you are smart in other areas.

 

[jbug617]

No.
But given the news on their site "We're proud to announce that The Workshop is developing for PS4. And we're hiring! Come be a part of the Next Generation. "

I'm betting my ass, that they've got an Durango dev kit as well.

http://www.theworkshop.us.com/

@Duckhuntdog
Just googled his gamertag

Would they though? Seems like Microsoft is being very selective who gets one.

 

[GoofsterStud]

But I thought he left his girlfriend because she got turned off.

I'm confused >.>

 

[mysteriousmage09]

http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake

http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,126367/

This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock

Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php

:dead

 

[rac]

I don't want him to get fired for this. I don't even believe he deserves the insults he has received, but yo can't blame gamers for picking up on this tweet. I would still feel bad if he lost his job. It's not really in our control though.

Don't feel too bad, if he gets fired he seems like a perfect fit at polygon. Oh wait...

 

[Yokai]

Found this: http://qkme.me/3tplap

 

[Evolved1]

You have to imagine, if always-online is true, that MS is spending a lot of time and money coming up with a strategy to introduce it as painlessly as possible. Probably thought about how they will fit it in during the unveiling, and how to pass on the talking points to the usual suspects. How do you tell people they (probably) can't play used games, or play the games they've purchased if not hooked up to the net?

And then this guy is like, hey twitter...

 

[JABEE]

David:

If he's such a great guy, he should have just apologized personally, rather than protect all his tweets and have others basically apologizing for him.

That's how a human being who makes a human mistake should handle a fuckup, IMO. This immediately walling up and going into PR Fortress Mode is going to make him seem like even more of an elitist, corporate shill to the folks that see him that way already.

Your accessibility, (even to criticism,) is why you're so respected around here.

I trust you when you say that his tweet doesnt represent hia real feelings. But I personally don't give a rip if he feels that way or not. As someone who has lived on the coasts as well as in Texas, I know plenty of people with that "flyover states" mentality. It's an attitude that does exist. It's their loss though, and I dokn't care if a representative of a company has that attitude, nor would it weigh on the purchase decision of a product.

I think more people care about his crappy analogies and how they relate to MS's platform than whatever his attitude toward Anytown, USA is.

I can't blame him for this. Once it started, he probably freaked out. He is probably going to get into a ton of trouble for this. It's better to wait for PR people to give you advice on what to do. I feel bad for him, but I disagree with Microsoft and his philosophy.

 

[ironcreed]

Welp, there you go, confirmed to hell and back lol.

"Given that legally I cannot confirm or deny if this information is true, nor can I comment on rumor or speculation, all I can say is be sure to pay your ISP bills.

"

Yep, sure is looking that way. It's all we are hearing.