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Most Downgraded game
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Yep.
Poimandres
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So far there is nothing to indicate that the lighting and geometry are anywhere near pre-downgrade levels. Any pics/videos to suggest otherwise?
Probably never existed. I attended a behind closed doors presentation of Infinite at the Gamescom back in 2010(?) and they showed us that exact same video, except they told us that it was being played at that very moment. There was even a guy with a controller standing right in front of me who was 'playing' the game, yet the YouTube video is the exact same footage of what I've seen at the presentation.
They did say it was pre-alpha though, but it wasn't real gameplay, that's for sure. Or maybe it was pre-recorded, but then what's the point of the guy holding the controller, pretending he's playing the game? I can understand it when they do that at E3 or something, but this was behind closed doors for an audience of 10-15 people.
Graphically, I don't think the final game was that far off from the first trailer, but the animations were the biggest downgrade, particularly the transitions between animations. The stuff in the final game is so stiff in comparison.
Welp, time to cry again. This broke my young heart so much, I've lost the ability to reach massive amounts of pre-release hype like I did for Project Ego. Probably a good thing actually.
Naughty_Doge
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Halo 2.
Ouch.
Ouch.
Solid Samus
Banned
LMAO @ 'The Witcher 3', get out
*ding ding ding*
*ding ding ding*
fluffydelusions
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Watch Dogs or DS2 comes to mind most recently
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Game's not out yet.
semiconscious
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very possibly the correct answer. the game was supposed to be so very much more than it turned out to be...
Either focus groups(the same ones that effected things like the cover of the game box itself), or they never had that version of the game done and had to push SOMETHING out the door or else. Too bad they pushed something out the door and it didn't matter anyway.
Not going to lie, Infinite wasn't a bad game, but a massive disappointment for what it could have been. For that I'd probably agree with this as the biggest downgrade.
Atraveller
Banned
It was from another timeline
SolidSnakex
Member
Yeah, people will mention recent games, but the N64 had quite a few games that didn't resemble the initial screenshots in any way. Just track down some old Top Gear Rally or Mission Impossible 64 screens.
Oh man, I forgot about these. Pages and pages of game listings you could preorder over the phone and only like a third actually existed.
GreyOcelot
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the game was probably a mess and hodge-podge of gameplay ideas before Rod Fergusson came along and streamlined it. they also probably cut a lot of skylines and open-ness of the world to get the performance reasonable on PS360
BasilZero
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Straight to the feels.
Fbh
Member
Meh, the Killzone 2 trailer had a sort of CGI smoothness to it, true, but in many aspects I still think the final game ended up looking better
Mabye it's because it's more recent but, while I still ended up enjoying the game, Dark Souls 2 was a massive downgrade.
It wasn't just a hands off demo. They had the gameplay playable at event and all.
And unlike Watch Dogs which just looked worse every time they showed it, we didn't find out about the downgrade until like a week before release.
Another one that comes to mind is White Knight Chronicles. I remember being blown away the first time I saw (though the running animation does look silly now). And they did a much better job than Killzone 2 in making it actually look like gameplay (KZ2 didn't even have a reticle, here we saw a pause menu and a HUD during battle).
Mabye it's because it's more recent but, while I still ended up enjoying the game, Dark Souls 2 was a massive downgrade.
It wasn't just a hands off demo. They had the gameplay playable at event and all.
And unlike Watch Dogs which just looked worse every time they showed it, we didn't find out about the downgrade until like a week before release.
Another one that comes to mind is White Knight Chronicles. I remember being blown away the first time I saw (though the running animation does look silly now). And they did a much better job than Killzone 2 in making it actually look like gameplay (KZ2 didn't even have a reticle, here we saw a pause menu and a HUD during battle).
TheChewyWaffles
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Got a link? I'd love to read that,
NickatNite
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Anyone remember the first gameplay for Brothers in Arm Hells Highway?
15 minutes or so with commentary by Pitchford and a military supervisor.
set in Eindhoven - started out in a toy shop, mortar hits the building, Baker walks out and pulls glass out of arm. Then the squad goes through some backyards, shoots a guy on a roof, then takes out a AA gun.
My description doesn't sound so hot, but the end product visually didn't come close.
15 minutes or so with commentary by Pitchford and a military supervisor.
set in Eindhoven - started out in a toy shop, mortar hits the building, Baker walks out and pulls glass out of arm. Then the squad goes through some backyards, shoots a guy on a roof, then takes out a AA gun.
My description doesn't sound so hot, but the end product visually didn't come close.
Cave Johnson
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To mislead people. Apparently, I thought Ubisoft's initial WD reveal was the only studio pulling that kind of stunt. But to do it behind closed doors? I can see why now! It's quite obvious the delays and delays of the game caused it to have a massive rehaul and ends up being a shell of the presentation they originally intended.
Yeah, I remember that. Got me so hyped for that. Shame that series is dead and gone. Would be great if they brought it back and not in the form of that trailer form two years ago.
Honorable mention?
Ryse was upgraded from that Kinect footage
Probably Spore/Fable, DSII (From footage I've seen) or Watch_Dogs.
Hero of Legend
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Sonic Boom in some aspects, You see some shots in the debut trailer that's identical to the final (more due to those looking not terribly impressive), but other aspects are eons better.
And of course, this tech video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAJE_twq4wE
That area was downgraded more than anything in the world; it was cut out entirely!
And of course, this tech video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAJE_twq4wE
That area was downgraded more than anything in the world; it was cut out entirely!
Completely different game, technically every game is upgraded from it's own foundation.
This is in reference to when RYSE was downgraded with total poly count on models.
Pocky4Th3Win
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This this takes it. The game was so limited compared to what they demo'd and talked about being in the game. I remember large environments being shown off and in the end we got tiny paths.
This.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That game looks better than the reveal. New skin shaders>Higher polycount.
Honorable mention?
I must be blind because I'm not seeing this huge downgrade you speak of.
The Cowboy
Member
I never understand why people post that bunch of shots to show the downgrade, it just looks like a colour/filter change when shown like that. There is a downgrade (quite a major one - mainly in terms of frame rate), but that bunch of shots really doesn't show it well at all.
This is what it was show as.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaeYAW89a3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcWoDVfH5xQ
It's undoubtedly more impressive than the MGS4 we ended up with. As well as being 60 frames, but I can kind of give it a pass since the ps3 hardware was more powerful at that time.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Just graphics, Dark Souls 2 gets my vote for recent example because it was a playable demo rather than a trailer. Plus you can notice the difference instantly.
It was from another timeline
A far more interesting timeline
Mods shouldn't count. You can even make Oblivion look amazing with ENB.
Honorable mention?
Oh hell no. That game looked sexy on release.
fluffydelusions
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EmCeeGramr
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Jett always posts that exact MGS4 image and it's always terrible because the images are too shrunk and compressed to see the actual difference in lighting and polygon count (not to mention resolution, framerate, and Kojima's promises of dynamic battlefields). There was a huge downgrade that Kojima even copped to, but that comparison doesn't really show it.
IdreamofHIME
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Aliens Colonial Marines
It's not even close.
It's not even close.
does it really count as the type of downgrade the thread is about if the hardware changes beneath the developer's feet?
MGS4 has always gotten a huge pass, and people go to such insane, ridiculous lengths to defend or be blind to the downgrade. Nevermind that its original showing was a perfect 60fps as well. It was just bullshit.
i dunno. semantics. at least the game looked marginally better on release than it did in its 2006 showing which was the first real look at it on near-final ps3 hardware.
funkystudent
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To everyone saying Watch_Dogs
When 90% of the scene is out of focus that game sure is a looker
I made that years ago, I don't have decent quality sources for most of the comparisons. I can only post this decent looking version of the original trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaeYAW89a3M
Anyone who says the retail game looks like that didn't play it. Also, that trailer was 60fps, compared to the barely 30fps nature of the real game. Oh and it turned out to be sub-HD too.
Lion Heart
Banned
MGS4s downgrade has become less significant over time outside of the framerate. I just don't see an appreciable difference anymore. Its a downgrade but not significant.
For me I'd say Watch dogs for gameplay, Fable for features and Madden/Forza 2 for graphics.
For me I'd say Watch dogs for gameplay, Fable for features and Madden/Forza 2 for graphics.
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