No kidding! None the less cool news for the X1. To those downplaying.... who gives a shit if Sony may or may not do the same type move. Its dick waving saying they may do the same. You like this feature then maybe buy an X1 and enjoy it.
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MS confirms indie program for XB1, was a big GamesCom surprise, angry at GI for leak
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No kidding! None the less cool news for the X1. To those downplaying.... who gives a shit if Sony may or may not do the same type move. Its dick waving saying they may do the same. You like this feature then maybe buy an X1 and enjoy it.
FranXico
Member
98% will every now and then play the games that the other 2% make. This is better than OtherOS.
There are achievements and the marketplace does not discriminate according to Microsoft. The question of what resources the games have. If they are technically apps and maybe don't get full hardware resources is still open, but they did say that you can buy a dev kit right now and self publish. Why would they force you into a windows 8 app sandbox or something when you can use the same system that big games use to make your game and they will appear in the same store? What quality control advantage would Microsoft get there if all games are treated the same in the marketplace?
Everything will be sandboxed. Think along the lines of XBLIG or PS Mobile.
I don't think it's analogous at all. Other OS didn't directly affect the marketplace of apps that every owner would have access to. Regardless of who they are copying, it's a good thing. Apple has been doing this forever which was what Blow's complaints about certification, self publishings seemed to come from.
DeadlyVirus
Member
If it's locked to the App OS, someone will just create an App that loads games stored of the hard drive (or any other storage). This has happen for generations, and now is every console can be a devkit, it will even be easier.
Also, jailbreaking a device is never impossible
Making every system into a Devikit is a great idea. People concerned about the devkit not using all the hardwares power/RAM and etc, Indie games tent to not push the system. Also for those few big Indie games, they can get proper Devkits, this doesn't mean normal Devkits are replaced. Hopefully Sony copy this with both PS4 and Vita.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
More vague bullshit.
Can't say I'm surprised, since it won't be available till next year at the earliest.
At this point, Windows 8 App Ghetto seems more likely,
I don't see how you can give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt at this point.
Can't say I'm surprised, since it won't be available till next year at the earliest.
At this point, Windows 8 App Ghetto seems more likely,
I don't see how you can give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt at this point.
professor_t
Member
No, seriously. What exactly are you saying? I imagine that it had to go through some sort of thought process, maybe even one that for some people requires "real hard" thinking, but I don't like to make presumptions about what is happening in another person's head, especially that kind of head.
So, what are you talking about? It can't possibly be that difficult to explain yourself.
soul creator
Member
well, aren't "real" games also technically sandboxed? I thought that was the whole reason for all the VM hypervisor supersonic zippedy doo dah stuff.
What else isn't available at launch?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Give me a break, you are seriously buying this 'every Xbone home console is a devkit' PR/marketing shit after their 'power of the Cloud' fiasco?
Care to explain how you think it will work? Do you think you can just hook your console to a PC and start firing out games on the marketplace? Fucking yeah right. This is more of the same from them.
excaliburps
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Yep. Agree with this. Go make a new thread, man!
if it's bigger than this, that certainly makes me more curious.soul creator
Member
It already happened in 2008 XBLIG, and already happens with iOS and Android app stores. It's not some crazy, unheard of thing
To a certain extent you are right. But "real" games are signed code, i.e. code that has been approved by MS before it gets on the platform. The limitations placed on unsigned code will be very different to the limitations placed on signed code.
ethomaz
Banned
I never saw a VM accessing another VM hardware (it is virtual after all)... the hard drive is not a REAL hard drive, it is only a virtual hard drive (files in the real filesystem that simulates a HDD).
No hardware acess in a VM is real.. it is all over software.
Edit - That's the main point of the HyperV OS... it just create two complete difference and separated environment inside the same machine.
Mojang with a hoodie/blazer combo sitting on stage, spoutin' indie talk.
DAMN now I'm pissed at GI too.
Until proved otherwise, I believe them. Damn people are super negative and jaded about the games industry nowadays. Where is the damn positivity about the next-generation of consoles coming? Shits depressing sometimes.
Well, the PC coding, firing it up on a 360 via the XNA stuff was pretty straightforward, Nothing overly complex there, so why should their Xbox One plans be any more difficulty. Sure they will have a bit more information to sort through and probably register the consoles etc but if thtey make it way too complicated, nobody will d it.
Most Indie games will be fine not using the full power of the X1. The ones that are using more on the PC or PS4 can scale back a bit and still publish on the X1 marketplace. No reason not to really.
TheRealTalker
Banned
but anyway if these updates where coming in 2014 instead of at launch day then why would they have a group of indie devs up there at gamescom... seems kinda silly to create a false image like that compared to Sony's one at E3
Infamous isn't at launch and neither is The Witness.
Titanfall
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
So, how long would it be before the X1 store is filled with fart apps?
So you basically just described Gaikai as well? Love it.
But have you seen it?
You can already do that on the Vita.
statham
Member
most of the internet have, which is good news for Microsoft and Respawn.
FranXico
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But jailbreaking something running on WinRT will be much harder...
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
No it didn't.
You know full well that what MS are bumblingly and haphazardly peddling now is something well above and beyond anything that was possible with the 360.
And you should also know that the real-world application of these latest claims will almost certainly not pass muster with what is being 'teased' after closer inspection.
I will always lean hard towards Sony most and Nintendo second, but I bought a 360 and owned it for half of this gen. Besides having to send in a RROD unit for repair (which was a painless, free 30 day process), I loved the system and had a blast playing it.
MS hasn't done anything yet to sell me. My launch PS4 has been reserved on Amazon. Everything I've seen from them since their announce, while a clusterfuck, has generally been moving in a positive direction. Just keep showing me more games like DR3, MS. At some point, I will probably be plopping money down for one. Especially since I have yet to experience Kinect (and 2.0 looks a shit ton better than 1.0).
The devkit/debugging bit is exciting because it will hopefully result in more polished games launching.
MS hasn't done anything yet to sell me. My launch PS4 has been reserved on Amazon. Everything I've seen from them since their announce, while a clusterfuck, has generally been moving in a positive direction. Just keep showing me more games like DR3, MS. At some point, I will probably be plopping money down for one. Especially since I have yet to experience Kinect (and 2.0 looks a shit ton better than 1.0).
The devkit/debugging bit is exciting because it will hopefully result in more polished games launching.
DeadlyVirus
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It will come as soon as the graphical enchantments powered by the could
dragonelite
Member
Everything already is sandboxed even the AAA games if im not mistaken?
Should be good.
I welcome XNA2.0.....
If this is what it is..
DeadlyVirus
Member
That never stopped every single device from being jailbroken
Delusibeta
Banned
It's not, that's Unity. This is XBLIG 2.0.
So let me get this straight, a lot of you think Microsoft is copying Sony on this?
I strongly believe it's been their plan all along. This is simply an evolution of xbox live indie games though a lot better.
Most of these concepts were in Xbox Live Indie games
1) Self Publishing
2) Turning retail console into dev/debug (not sure which) kit
3) Developer tools
The downsides were limited hardware access, lack of xbox live features, and a crappy store nobody touched.
Microsoft comes out with a new version of this for xbox one and you guys say they are copying sony? Insane.
Also, they are already announcing that at least two of those three negatives I mentioned are out of the picture. The only question left is hardware access.
I strongly believe it's been their plan all along. This is simply an evolution of xbox live indie games though a lot better.
Most of these concepts were in Xbox Live Indie games
1) Self Publishing
2) Turning retail console into dev/debug (not sure which) kit
3) Developer tools
The downsides were limited hardware access, lack of xbox live features, and a crappy store nobody touched.
Microsoft comes out with a new version of this for xbox one and you guys say they are copying sony? Insane.
Also, they are already announcing that at least two of those three negatives I mentioned are out of the picture. The only question left is hardware access.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Great news. Why wait until gamescon? Spill the details.
LukasTaves
Member
Not exactly. These two were under c# (which is managed and runs under a "sandbox" itself). WinRT gives you c/c++ and direct access to the hardware.
WinRT is more strict than win32 for instance, but aside to running on a lower system level access compared to win32 i don't think there are any platform inherent performance drops, like you'd have with c#...
IHaveCandy
Banned
Vita does this now with Playstation Mobile games.
I really hope crackdown is announced at Gamescom.
it was 'planned' though, don't look at the man behind the curtain!
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