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MS confirms indie program for XB1, was a big GamesCom surprise, angry at GI for leak
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dragonelite
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Orb hunting was pretty fun.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
So no limit?
I know you're being intentionally obtuse, but he is saying it is a mistake to limit developers to only using the cloud for multiplayer games. Removing limitations on developers is always a good thing
Canis lupus
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TheRealTalker
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R3TRODYCE
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Lol, I don't want to get attacked for saying that but ;^)
dragonelite
Member
If this is true im so close to preordering it.
Price is still a bit expensive so will wait after gamescon and other conventions i have no haste.
If it was only the windows part of it they can fuck off better drop the price and kinect
I'm SHOCKED MS lies out of their ass. Shocked I tell ya.
Chobel
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Forsaken82
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It is nice in theory, but the real question is what will MS's licensing fees be when you actually release a title when using the system as an SDK?
and when none of this happens?
Miles Quaritch
Member
What did CBOAT say?
DeadlyVirus
Member
And SP only players with no connection will be left out. I don't think any developer is that stupid
Pretty much bang on the money, I think, except the Kinect game. Unless that's what Rare's mystery team is working on, but I don't think so.
Should be able to. Click the date of the tweet, takes you to its page.
He's saying you only get access to 3GB.
Really though it's a technical impossibility to push the XB1 to the max by using a normal retail XB1. You HAVE to have a devkit if you wanted to create a next gen-tier game. So Spencer is a little off on that one.
SEGAvangelist
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3gb ram access
You would be suprised at how many connected games are now in the pipeline.
Likely 70/30 as it was on IG and as is on WMP/AppStore/Steam
I wish they'd be bold and do 80/20 or 85/15 just for greater adoption though
He said there were going to be restrictions on how much memory you can use.
That self pubishing would only use 3GB of the Xbox One's ram, and be pushed into an Xbox Live ghetto store.
One point of confusion I would love to see cleared up now; in one of the linked interview articles, Marc Whitten says a developer can buy a regular dev kit now, and self-publish if they want to - but retail X1 into dev kit won't happen until next year.
But we have posters in this thread saying indy devs won't be able to self-publish until next year either. So, which is it?
Also, I imagine that the Xbox store on X1 will be like every other App store on other platforms; there will be a "Games" section, that will include all games, and there will likely be a "Media" or similarly titled section for media apps - like Netflix and Fart apps that the one poster is so obsessed with. It's just that everything will be under the "Store". I imagine that PS4 will be the same way. Is that not a good thing?
But we have posters in this thread saying indy devs won't be able to self-publish until next year either. So, which is it?
Also, I imagine that the Xbox store on X1 will be like every other App store on other platforms; there will be a "Games" section, that will include all games, and there will likely be a "Media" or similarly titled section for media apps - like Netflix and Fart apps that the one poster is so obsessed with. It's just that everything will be under the "Store". I imagine that PS4 will be the same way. Is that not a good thing?
Kazuma Kiryu
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To save some face?
For some people though, I guess it's easier to just ignore the consumer and indie developer backlash that happened since E3 and pretend everything has been part of the plan, features which might need a day1 patch or not be even be available at launch. This is called the "backup" plan, which microsoft has fallen back to after pissing a lot of people at e3.
Miles Quaritch
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Ah, okay. Thanks. I figured there would be some limitations to the retail unit doubling as a dev kit. Don't teal dev kits tend to have more RAM and other features that wouldn't be workable on a retail unit?
dragonelite
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Planning on getting Destiny?
They give the tools.
Developers will decide to use those tools
and we the market can vote with our wallet.
LukasTaves
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He was saying that single player games could use the cloud if the developer wants it to. I think he misunderstood the question, like the guy was asking for Ms to block single players games from using the cloud. (When in fact the guy was asking for single player games to be playable offline)
I still think there's separate app classes. (My prediction pre X1 reveal)
Make just an app or sidebar/ticker app and you get 3 GB
Make a game and you get 5 GB
What type of program you are making defines the available resources
reptilescorpio
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Finally the Xbox 180 is taking shape. Just need to knock out the required Kinect and we will be in a happy place.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Oh shit?
Dynamic pricing, nice.
Warm Machine
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Probably because their PR messaging is terrible. Ihey should have laid out the plan for PR over the 5 months moving toward release and make the press aware it was stages and what the main talking points were going to be. When a question was asked that didn't fit the theme of the stage they should have deferred the question instead of make something odd up on the spot which seems like something they were doing.
Chobel
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Both later, You can't get devkit unless you have a publisher.
BruiserBear
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Yup. If they can just hit price parity with the PS4 they'll be in great shape.
I wrote that they announced that there is no separate store. THAT IS WHAT THEY ANNOUNCED.
Until they are proven otherwise, stop trying to spread misinformation. I get it, you don't like microsoft. If you don't have anything to contribute besides this kind of crap, get out of this thread.
Indeed they do.
For those who don't know how that works, say I have a game that uses 4.5GB of RAM memory. This would be very easy to run on a retail XB1. However, when I debug the game/run it on a devkit, I need to run programs alongside the game to see how certain code is executed, details in the event of a crash, etc. So my game might require 5.5GB of RAM to debug, which wouldn't be possible on a retail XB1.
Could be very possible.
Just from observation, CBOAT tends to make predictions which have already appeared elsewhere, and makes them vague enough (or simply ones that can't be verified because they're about what would have happened) that people adapt how they interpret it to the shape the policies take. Think about how people react to Nostradamus. This sounds like a case of him running afoul of real info. Especially since people within the media were aware of the accurate info before he made the new claim puts him in a particularly unflattering light (though the clarification about accessing system resources is newer).
(Assuming the stuff from the Klepek interview comes to fruition)
(Assuming the stuff from the Klepek interview comes to fruition)
BleachAndPepsi
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Aggressive would be doing this stuff first. They're finally kind of maybe catching up to Sony here. Even the console-as-dev-kit thing doesn't mean much when Sony is giving dev kits to indies for free.
TheRealTalker
Banned
makes sense if its not a full fledged dev kit
do you mean details portion right beside the date... also once I'm on the tweets page I can't just right click and say copy image url like what I do with images and gifs :/
TheBioLover
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They're not aggressive, they're reactionary.
statham
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What does that mean? you can change the price when you want too?
True, but I imagine there aren't many Indie developers with the capability to push the hardware in such a way, and for those that can, they can always get a developer kit.
Deadly Cyclone
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Someone make me a fantasy football ticker so I can keep track while gaming.
Lol. Thanks.
makingmusic476
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Based on Mario's post, it seems like Microsoft is being dragged kicking and screaming into making a decent console. At least most of their mistakes have been policy-related, thus they were able to announce, if not implement, any changes before launch, something Sony could not do with the ps3's expensive hardware in 2006.
Well, except for the whole weaker hardware for a higher price bit.
I'm glad to see so many platforms embracing indie titles.
Well, except for the whole weaker hardware for a higher price bit.
I'm glad to see so many platforms embracing indie titles.
RedNumberFive
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Apparently playing catchup constitutes as a big surprise for Microsoft these days.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
If so, good. They need to offer that since Sony (and I believe Nintendo) already do.
When you eat nothing but shit for months, even a bowl of dry oatmeal seems like filet mignon.
But yeah, it's stunning how many "Xbox Won" and "Sony is doomed" comments I've seen. From a policy change that might put them on equal footing with their competitors.
Edit: I should add that I've seen those comments on other sites, not necessarily GAF.
He probably had correct info, but MS policies are also probably in great flux right now. But this whole retail units as devkits would certainly need infrastructure planned from the beginning so im not sure on just how much has changed.
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