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Nazi's really are the best all-time villian
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Wrong generation?
Yeah, but the idea that a shooter can't be the best of a generation without a particular mode, whether it's solo or multi, is silly.
But it is a fair point to consider that each generation of games have different expectations from the audience of the day.
Sure. But my thinking is that even if the game has one component that really nails it and is able to "make up" for the lack of either or, it has a shot of being "the best of a gen".
mortal
Gold Member
I'm not impressed by it, that's all.
It's so excessively over the top and far removed from reality, that it comes off rather corny. I understand that's sort of the point of that game in particular, but I don't care for it. We've gotten to the point where we've glamorized these wars so much we managed to embolden the image of the Nazi into mythical creature territory.
Human depravity and evil are so much more multifaceted and nuanced, and that hardly ever gets explored in most of these alternate histories. It's always the super Nazi with the comically advance technology who drinks American blood for fuel. I get it, Nazis were some baaad dudes.
I find it even more amusing considering racial prejudice and racial segregation were very much a reality in the Western societies like the United States. I'd much rather see how Nazi's winning WWII would affect that social dynamic.
There is so much correlation with Hitler's racial ideology and the racial ideology in places like the U.S. So this pureblooded Amercian hero vs the Axis of Evil to me is as boring and comically removed from reality.
As modern day image of evil, The Nazi is rather outdated and simplistic when compared to the likes of ISIS or the many oppressive regimes in places of power.
Nealand Liquor
Member
I've been killing nazi fucks since medal of honor days, personally I'd like to see a game where you fucking slaughter ISIS or Boko Haram.
formasymphonic
Member
The one downside to the sustained caricature and easiness to dislike, is that I think society has kind of formed a cognitive dissonance around the idea of "Nazis" while supporting a large number of their beliefs.
Over the last few years I think we've definitely been shown how easy it is for people to go down that road (that leads to being a Nazi), while they don't see it happening for themselves at all.
Over the last few years I think we've definitely been shown how easy it is for people to go down that road (that leads to being a Nazi), while they don't see it happening for themselves at all.
A lot of people have gotten into the "it can't happen here" mindset.
Nazis? This is America
Starvation? This is America
People die because they can't afford healthcare? Mass surveillance being used for anything other than crimes? People wanting revolution? You name it, people have gotten so used to being comfortable they cannot imagine bad things happening close to them.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
These guys are better:
ScaryShark
Banned
Makes sense especially since the Nazis in that game are probably the 'best' depiction of them ever.
That '14 years sequence' does a helluva lot for BJ and the way the player thinks about his situation and what the people in that universe are experiencing. Even if they weren't Nazis they'd still make for an extremely compelling enemy.
That '14 years sequence' does a helluva lot for BJ and the way the player thinks about his situation and what the people in that universe are experiencing. Even if they weren't Nazis they'd still make for an extremely compelling enemy.
Pyccko
Member
Everybody in here talking that "the average German soldier in ww2 wasn't as bad as the SS" mess needs to read these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
A sample
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
A sample
piratepwnsninja
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petran79
Banned
Brits during WW2 in Middle East also held Communists allies in concentration camps,fearing rebellion. My grandpa was in one. He fled Greece through Turkey and joined the Allies in the Middle East.
There was also a documentary on the events of 1944 in Athens,surpassing even video games.
A communist rebel confronts a British tank,shooting from a building. Tank demolishes the building,yet he emerges from the rubble and continues shooting!
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
My neighbor is a Nazi 🤔
1. Go remind yourself at the scope and ambition of there evil.
2. Sadly, Nazis aren't relegated to the past.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Lol. We're in sync, you and I.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Consider that they're still shown to be incredible my hostile and trying to kill children after the war was over. They're literally never shown doing anything benign.
I mean it sounds like you haven't played Wolfenstein and just aren't interested (which is totally fine) but this part of it will probably be a thing in the next game, set in America. In the trailer the KKK and the Nazis are freely parading around together in some 1960s American town, and you wind up fighting with a resistance led by a black woman. So I do think they'll draw the parallels and show how easily an open embrace of racist Nazi ideology would catch on.
Anyway, agree to disagree, if you find it boring, that's fine, but I do think Wolfenstein offers the freshest take on Nazis that we've ever gotten in a game, and it actually has surprisingly poignant moments for a game where you dual wield shrapnel spraying autoshotguns. It's a weird tonal mix that I think they balance well.
I mean, for starters, BJ Blascowicz is, as his name implies, a Polish Jew.
Also, this is an argument that straight-up happens in The New Order, between BJ and Jimi Hendrix.
Omotesando
Member
Yea,
the humanoid Nazi in the game is by far the worst part of Wolfenstein, the sole reason why I haven't finished the game. They are simply one dimensional targets to mow down. the ducks in Duck Hunt are more dynamic, aiming your scope you can;t even see them properly.
The gunplay is decent, but I hope less Nazi, more robots, or other crazy contraptions please.
D4rth Man7iz
Member
Link to this trailer please.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Nazis are fun villains because you don't need to explain why they are evil. So they work great as a simple evil force without any particular nuance. They are basically just orcs or Aliens.
They don't make the most interesting villains though cause they are "just evil" with no interesting motivation.
They don't make the most interesting villains though cause they are "just evil" with no interesting motivation.
GAFmeansLIFE
Member
Does The New Order run ok on PS3? I could get the ps4 version, but I'm kind of broke and trying to keep it as cheap as possible.
James Scott
Banned
They're like zombies that they're human enough but they're bad enough that you don't feel about it.
I'm not talking about their ideological masters, I'm talking about Joe Sixpack, eighteen-year-old nobody, dragged from his bed and conscripted to fight for [pick your enemy nation]. It's horrible.
ebullientprism
Member
I am kinda partial to zombies. Good dismemberment and a shotgun with solid feedback is all I need.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
Nazi's and zombies are always fun to kill, but where's ma Vampires at, or Werewolves? They're severely underrepresented.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
My german grandfather was drafted into the war, but he wasn't a nazi. He was just a farmer. Never forget that they were human too.
John Kowalski
Banned
I think the best enemies are angels and that kind of stuff. Like how god is a boss in jrpgs. Love that stuff.
Dictator93
Member
I enjoy that it was able to illicit that reaction inspite of its pulpier overtones (1960s diesel punk, super tech, space faring Nazis w/ Germania, robots, and occult experiments).
Starlightmuse
Member
Sunglasses Hitler >>>>>>>>>> all villains