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Which should have been packed in as a tech demo, not sold for $50.
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Which should have been packed in as a tech demo, not sold for $50.
Somehow, Nintendo convinced me to go from Day 1 to "wait and see" last night. It's $50 too expensive, the graphics looked exactly like the Wii U (which I already own), the battery life is low, it doesn't come with a d-pad, there are no other switchable joy con configurations (I mean wow, what a missed opportunity there), there's only 2 (?) confirmed launch games so far and one of them is available on Wii U, and the joy cons look so uncomfortable to hold that they needed to include grips.
It's even more complicated and less intuitive conceptually than the Wii U honestly. Yes, Zelda and Mario are hype as fuck, but I wanted to see more than 2 games of that caliber at this conference.
It's even more complicated and less intuitive conceptually than the Wii U honestly. Yes, Zelda and Mario are hype as fuck, but I wanted to see more than 2 games of that caliber at this conference.
Totally agree correojon, and we are both huge Nintendo fans. If they didn't manage to convince us, the casual and kids market won't. What were they thinking? Why didn't they learn anything about pricing? Nintendo this was your last chance
Hope this doesn't become another Wii U scenario, where I end up really wanting to play Mario Kart 8, but being unable to, as I can't justify spending that much on an entire system for just one game.
Because so far it is.
At least there is actually hope for this system, unlike the Wii U. lol
Because so far it is.
At least there is actually hope for this system, unlike the Wii U. lol
1 2 Switch it's actually a VR showcase game without VR. Whatever is rendered on the screen is pointless. Without VR you have to play it with your eyes closed for maximum immersion.
Caipirinha
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It demonstrates how pointless and unfun the tech is, so job done I guess?
Laieon
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My friends are mostly PC gamers. Most of them haven't owned a Nintendo console (including the handhelds) since the Gamecube and GBA (if not further back).
Most of us were almost instantly willing to drop the $300 to get it on day 1 (or close to it), we think it looks and sounds fantastic.
To be fair though, we're expats, so anything that is relatively small and easy to bring on the train/planes/our travels is right up our alley. We also live in a country where consoles might as well be nonexistant (Korea), so region free is very welcome.
We aren't thrilled for the prices, but it still beats the $540 we would end up paying for a Wii U. People are making it sound like $299 is high, I haven't been back to the US since '14 and it's been awhile since I looked at console prices, but I think it seems pretty reasonable.
I also think this looks to be the most appealing Mario game for me personally in a very, very long time.
DrunkShogun
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Finally convinced myself to give it a miss and buy it later down the line when there's more games worth playing. Enough games already coming out on other platforms that will be good enough for me. Just hope Nintendo dorang have stock issues later down the year.
When the cowboys appeared on stream I thought for a moment that it might have been a RDR2 ad/teaser. That thought left my mind pretty quickly.
Audioboxer
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Yea, at first I thought "Oh this could be cool", and like 20 secs later when they show you what it is... I'm in completely shock.
"WTF is this..."
Delete your account.
Totally agree correojon, and we are both huge Nintendo fans. If they didn't manage to convince us, the casual and kids market won't. What were they thinking? Why didn't they learn anything about pricing? Nintendo this was your last chance
I'm in this boat too. I'm a big big Nintendo fan that has owned all their hardware. I enjoyed the Wii U even though many others didn't see the appeal.
With this presentation though, I'm grasping at a reason to plop down $300 for the device and am at a loss.
It's actually an apt comparison because the art style is all over the place just like Sonic 06.
I think that game has potential. I just don't think they gave much a presentation on it. That's what the treehouse is for.
Conkerkid11
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They should have just delayed until this holiday.
I'm a huge Nintendo fan, I need Zelda but this price, line-up, uncertain future makes me want to wait and play Zelda on Wii U instead.
They needed to target kids and parents but at that price they utterly failed.
Caipirinha
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Hold a tiny piece of plastic in one hand and pretend to use it to squeeze milk from a cows udder faster than your friend until your $300 handheld console somewhere off to the side makes a noise to let you know that someone has won.
Ladies and gentlemen the Nintendo Switch.
What. the. fuck. is. going. on. The more this sinks in the more bewildering it gets.
hemo memo
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Even games from 3rd party like they don't have confident in the console. Square is doing ports and that indie game. Bethesda with Skyrim. EA with FIFA with no release date. SEGA is brining Sonic.. again I swear I hate to be negative but Zelda is the most interesting thing about this product but it'll also be availble on Wii U.
-Pyromaniac-
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I went from 1000% ready to pre-order to dropping this off my radar completely. Misfires all over the place on what I thought was a genuinely awful reveal event and horrible first impression. Highlight was the Zelda trailer.
Unless you're a huge hardcore nintendo fan I really don't see a reason to buy this for the next 8 months/year. Better off waiting. Or maybe just for the first revision.
Unless you're a huge hardcore nintendo fan I really don't see a reason to buy this for the next 8 months/year. Better off waiting. Or maybe just for the first revision.
Yea that was cool.
papercan55
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Pretty much my thoughts, i woke up early ready to pre-order...and now i think i'm going to wait until later when mario comes out(even that looked not so good....that city looked awful)
I could understand nintendos approach if zelda was exclusively for switch but it's not and the switch version only runs at 900p so it's not exactly a massive improvement.
Picking up a copy of wii u zelda instead and will wait and see if that mario game improves.(please scrap that city area).
Wafflecakes
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Only think that convinced me to pre order was that at the end of the day this is likely the 3DS replacement as well.
While I am not trilled at paying around $400 for the console and a couple games... I would have also bought the 3DS standalone successor, so I still end up ahead of where I could have been.
While I am not trilled at paying around $400 for the console and a couple games... I would have also bought the 3DS standalone successor, so I still end up ahead of where I could have been.
JetSetRadio
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Yikes, this wasn't good.
runnin_blue
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I'm just as disappointed as the next guy about the event overall, but the smart thing to do is to try something first before you claim it is "unfun" and "pointless".
WaterAstro
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So uh where's the timestamp for all those weird shit with the yellow background you guys are posting gifs of?
I once thought Nintendo had great art designers. And then...
This is wrong and bad in pretty much every single way it can be wrong and bad.
but why would they do that?
I mean they can release an unfinished product, demand above 299 dls/euro for it and the nintendo faithful will buy no matter what.
that gives them a couple of millions of juicy profits, they can try to reach for the more reluctant customers later in the year, that's exactly what they are going to (have to) do.
Sorry to self quote, but I really want to emphasize this. The hardware didn't show well last night, but they could have had a really great conference if they just showed more cool games like Mario and Zelda. No one cares about the hardware (which they focused on for way too long). We just want to play cool grand sweeping Nintendo games.
Why don't they understand that?
I once thought Nintendo had great art designers. And then...
This is wrong and bad in pretty much every single way it can be wrong and bad.
I think it's supposed to look absurd and funny. I see what they're going for and kind of like it.
Wolfgang Jr
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I once thought Nintendo had great art designers. And then...
This is wrong and bad in pretty much every single way it can be wrong and bad.
Pretty sure that's a gif from Mario in Dreamcast Land.
Worked out great for the Wii U.
It will definitely look more tempting this Holiday, it's just disappointing it's not an absolute MUST BUY DAY 1 right now.
oh don't get me wrong, the presentation as a whole was as bad as it could have been.
SMO though, that was good, putting those weird humanoids you posted in that gif aside
Yeah, really.
Are the specs out yet? The games just look like Wii U games, except in the case of Mario Odyssey which looks absolutely inferior to 3D World in every way.
Caipirinha
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I once thought Nintendo had great art designers. And then...
This is wrong and bad in pretty much every single way it can be wrong and bad.
I find it hard to imagine a bad Mario game but even with Odyssey something really feels off. The trailer had me initially hyped but breaking it down and looking at each section specifically it does not look coherent at all, and this gif is just bizarre. The Mexican world was shown so quickly but if you go back and look it seems to consist of a few simple buildings with basic geography surrounding by a giant, empty, orange desert??
The Zelda trailer was basically flawless, that's the only positive thing I can see in the entire presentation, and I'm still not hyped for that game based on the gameplay footage I've seen which looks like a desolate open world game circa 2005.
hemo memo
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I once thought Nintendo had great art designers. And then...
This is wrong and bad in pretty much every single way it can be wrong and bad.
This is like Mario mod in GTA. Like what EatChildren said, city part is just terrible clash of art style.
You need to establish a coherent art design for your game. What is it? How do things look? What colors are used? All of this needs to be decided at the outset and traditionally Nintendo has been pretty good at handling the Mario franchise when it comes to establishing an art style that works.
This game reminds me of one of those Unreal Engine 4 "look what I did!" Mario demos because both are just a bunch of shit thrown everywhere without anything to really pull it all together. Even the non-NYC levels looked bland and uncompelling. It harkens back to another era (The Dreamcast era!) where strong art design wasn't or couldn't be prioritized in most cases.
Oh and the UE4 demos look better
This. I am honestly flabbergasted and upset at the heavy focus on what is essentially Wiimote 3.0.
They should have kept it simple. Basic. Easy to understand. A console you can play on the go. Boom.
Now it's Wii all over again. Comes off as a pathetically desperate attempt to reboot that sorry fad. Only now their handheld teams are roped in too. This is worse, considering we've still seen very few games.
the_milkybar_kid
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Well, that was fucking awful. From the weird Japanese style presentation to the lack of anything. Trying to emulate Iwata is all well and good but when you've got an old stone faced guy that clearly isn't fit for standing in front of mute crowds and people that look like they want to crawl up their own arse. The execution of it was fucking terrible, in a ruffle their little scam hair. So.
-Price £279, Not too bad to be honest. My initial guess was 299.
-Paid Online- fuck off Nintendo. If your current setup is anything to go by, it'll be the same old shite. Accounts not linked so you're purchasing the same old roms again, folks. No demonstration of the store or functionality.
-"I lead all Nintendo software"- All 2 fucking games? You're worst than Polyphony.
-Joycons can feel ice cubes. Great. Mini games that no-one outside the early adopters will play. Trying to get that Wii crowd is a fail I'm afraid.
-"Mario's unusual cap only available on switch"- Just great. Going the Sonic 06 route of pitting him in with 'normal' people. I wonder if he'll sex a human?
-100 quid for a pair of controllers. Fuuuuuuuuuck ooooooooooooooff.
-Zelda did look great. I'm getting real vibes of the original from this, almost as if they're remaking it.
All in all that's my pre-order cancelled. Terrible showcase. Switch off.
-Price £279, Not too bad to be honest. My initial guess was 299.
-Paid Online- fuck off Nintendo. If your current setup is anything to go by, it'll be the same old shite. Accounts not linked so you're purchasing the same old roms again, folks. No demonstration of the store or functionality.
-"I lead all Nintendo software"- All 2 fucking games? You're worst than Polyphony.
-Joycons can feel ice cubes. Great. Mini games that no-one outside the early adopters will play. Trying to get that Wii crowd is a fail I'm afraid.
-"Mario's unusual cap only available on switch"- Just great. Going the Sonic 06 route of pitting him in with 'normal' people. I wonder if he'll sex a human?
-100 quid for a pair of controllers. Fuuuuuuuuuck ooooooooooooooff.
-Zelda did look great. I'm getting real vibes of the original from this, almost as if they're remaking it.
All in all that's my pre-order cancelled. Terrible showcase. Switch off.
Nestunt
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You know that's a recipe for disaster in any area of business, right?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
IMO Mario looked absolutely revolting. We thought it was a preview for Crazy Taxi. Yikes.
Zelda looked really cool though. The conference as a whole was a clumsy mess, and the Aussie pricing is a disaster.
Kssio_Aug
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Just read the Eurogamer article. Let me see if I got this right: 280 pounds, paid signature service to play online, 2.5 hours battery life, "free" games which comes down to Nes/Snes and only for 1 month.
What the hell Nintendo??
I'll keep my 3DS and wait it's true scuccessor.
What the hell Nintendo??
I'll keep my 3DS and wait it's true scuccessor.
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