Oh sorry if you're responding to me saying Gears will be bigger, I meant at launch not life to date.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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Oh sorry if you're responding to me saying Gears will be bigger, I meant at launch not life to date.
I'm assuming you know for a fact that the average consumer:
- Has heard nothing positive about the game and only knows that it has Microtransactions and no local co-op
- Will not buy the game because of these things.
Or are you going around
But at 935k it's not taking advantage of that T rating, Gears has a chance of selling better.
Yeah, I think people are really looking for a new main Gears of War, GoW 3 was launched in september 2011, it's a long wait.
Japanmanx3
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Good Guy George.Chû Totoro;185335553 said:Yeah I know he's good but I think that it's a big surprise even for Mods. That's why I think they are so silent. They've checked the guy... and they are like
I just hope NPD_George will keep giving us a few numbers every month and even if he can't answer to everything at least give main games and hw numbers. It's a good thing, very good thing that we can have all this
I legit think he's sitting at his desk at the NPD headquarters...name badge and all. George. Smile because you are our hero. On thus day, you've become GAF legend.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I really hope Microsoft changes their view on studios once their IP is dried up.
Ugggh. Horrible. Here's hoping you're wrong and Tomb Raider ruffles enough feathers that a few publishers wise up as unlikely as that may be.
I think what Y2K is getting at is Halo will sell over time more than Gears will, the rating helps with that too. Halo may not move a ton of units every month, but its a series that typically has pretty good legs and word of mouth on 5 is good so that'll help. The problem is the competition is insane around it's release. MS HAVE to move it back to September range.
PanicFreak
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It's kind of hard to be flexible with a driving simulation game.
343i added tons of enemies that are completely new to the franchise, added Warzone, and drastically shook up the multiplayer. I Halo 4, they added a widely panned multiplayer campaign too.
We haven't seen enough about Gears but I didn't see any grubs in the demo they showed.
PhantomFear
Member
It kind of takes the fun and mystique out of it when someone just posts the actual numbers in plain sight. You don't even need a protractor to decipher it.
Anyways, thanks for the insight George. Hope you've got special permission to release those numbers, because you're playing a dangerous game if not.
Have we gotten any details on PS4 sales? Last I recall seeing was an estimated 275-300K.
Anyways, thanks for the insight George. Hope you've got special permission to release those numbers, because you're playing a dangerous game if not.
Have we gotten any details on PS4 sales? Last I recall seeing was an estimated 275-300K.
Bruno MB
Member
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I would have never expected such a big figure even if most of sales were at a heavily discounted price. Console retail versions were quickly discounted too, although evidently they weren't as cheap as their PC counterpart.
Can't see that - but they should have a developer who is able to compete with Uncharted - so Microsoft has an equivalent franchise. I was also surprised they didn't fight more (or if they did who knows) to get Respawn as well - imagine Titanfall being exclusive forever (and whatever else they do)
Also as for GoW 4 - it depends on how good it is for me. If it's stunning then I can see it selling bucket loads. If the reception is lukewarm like Halo 5 then I guess people won't be excited.
I personally don't get tired with franchises - if the game is fantastic, I'll buy it.
Bolivar687
Banned
Treyarch carved out their own brand of brutal campaigns and close quarters multiplayer years ago. The studio also had some of the personnel at Gray Matter, who developed United Offensive, the expansion to the original Call of Duty that introduced much of the staples of its multiplayer today. They're not a developer specifically created to carry on another studio's legacy; they're the other side to the franchise and have been perfecting their craft for over a decade.
While some of the original Bungee is at 343 and it looks like they made a great game, it's clear that Microsoft cannot carry Bungie's and Epic's past work into perpetuity. Nor are third parties likely to sign on to anymore of these lineup-bolstering deals after Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, and now Rise of the Tomb Raider. Microsoft is really going to have to step up and start making new IPs themselves, like Rare is doing with Sea of Thieves.
dancrane212
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There is certainly overlap in those two fan-bases (When Halo overtook Destiny in the most played charts suddenly Destiny was bumped down into 4-5th place rather than 2nd which was the norm) I do think the two could both work in the same Month - especially if both games stay on the same alternating schedule of mainline release and spin-off/large DLC.
gundamkyoukai
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Does it ?
I mean a lot of the best selling games with legs are M .
EDIT not saying gears will out sell halo .
Japanmanx3
Member
I agree Y2Kev. Halo anyday over Gears . Especially with the T rating now. Gears would need some serious marketing. The reveal didn't turn many heads at all it seems.
Even that I'm not sure of, it sold 1.1 million on retail in its two biggest markets, and let's be generous & say it's 2 million WW including digital, how many more units can it sell without heavy bundling? 4 million? Gears can possibly do better than that.
And 0 for vita.
He's posting numbers that people pay money for. I kinda doubt he has permission.
I can't, because I don't have a clue what they sold in the last four years and neither do you. It's more likely Uncharted 2 (which was far more praised) sold very well for the last few years.
Your guess is 11m+ mine is something like 5 / 7 / 9 in series order.
Tomb Raider was basically given away for free in a lot of humble bundles.
ehh...
do not look for a George on npd.com 8o() wauw.. I´m mind blown.. I even found an interview with him.. he speaks like he writes.. damn
What if he works for the NPD?
Japanmanx3
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He's using the stand because he's a pro. Balancing it out!
Uncharted 2 sold 3.8 million in its entire first year, people don't suddenly go back and buy the game in droves years after release, games have legs, but not this much. Uncharted 3 was still at #1 in a lot of European charts even 6 months after release (when UC2 was nowhere to be found in the charts).
Mass Effect
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I guess? I don't think that's a positive thing necessarily. It's why I'm hoping that with Andromeda, it's going to be more of an RPG with more focus on exploration and world-building rather than combat.
lol the vita
Then he's really in trouble
If he's the George when searching on NPD's site, he has a pretty high position and probably knows what he can and can't post.
Notice how professional and company sounding his posts are? He more than likely is doing this on behalf of NPD to reach out to communities, don't underestimate a company to do that kind of thing to get publicity, etc.
Notice how professional and company sounding his posts are? He more than likely is doing this on behalf of NPD to reach out to communities, don't underestimate a company to do that kind of thing to get publicity, etc.
Yeah, that's what I presumed and then they could only change it to going against Battlefront which is insane with Star Wars hype and waiting to 2016 wasn't on the cards.
Metacritic is a snapshot of a impact of a game at the time of release. So if we go by Metacritic, Halo 4 is better than Halo 5. Yet If you ignore the scores, the reviews for Halo 5 easily read as a better game than 4 and even Halo: Reach, especially in multiplayer. I honestly just think people have moved on from Halo, regardless of it's quality. And that's why it's a shame.
I think it works with franchises where the fans aren't as picky. Sports and other annualized franchises like Assassins creed. And COD is still doing well and they changed the game in 100 different ways, the only thing that stays the same it seems is zombies.
But in terms of 343i and CD they seem to be making games that are still extremely high quality.
No one is made to work on games. They get paid for it
.theviolenthero
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Either your chart is wrong or Nintendo gave out faulty data.
They say Wii U sales saw a 40% increase over October 2014 yet your chart says sales decreased by 4k.
"The Wii U console also saw an increase in sales of 40% over last October."
www.ign.com/articles/2015/11/13/wii-u-sales-way-up-amiibo-sales-at-800000-for-october
PanicFreak
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So, given the success of Halo, what was the alternative? There was no one that had been "perfecting their craft for over a decade" to pick up the slack.
Personally, I don't think 343 will make Halo games in perpetuity if the sales of Halo 6 remain at Halo 5 levels, so at that point, they will have been perfecting their craft for over a decade and would probably make a new IP.
Well I said most consumers heard those things as they were the biggest WOM. Going by various tracking metrics across consumer reviews, popular online consumer facing forums, and news coverage leading up to release these were by far the most discussed topics. Microtransactions especially saw a lot of play.
Also I never said they've heard nothing positive about the game I said they heard mostly negative things. That's a big difference.
Deputy Moonman
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How does someone who doesn't know anything about gaf or the community think to make an account on gaf? I'm calling bs lol.
If the numbers are true, I've got to wonder what the Halo 5 sales numbers would have been like if TMCC had never come out. A lot more people would have been having their Halo withdrawals by Halo 5's release date, and the negative impacts of TMCC having so many issues wouldn't be fresh on everybody's minds. Maybe I'm naive, but I still think digital sales for Halo 5 were a lot higher than normal for a console game. Wrong or right, Halo 5 will have some legs and I think additions of BTB and Forge, plus new maps will help game sales long-term.
If the numbers are true, I've got to wonder what the Halo 5 sales numbers would have been like if TMCC had never come out. A lot more people would have been having their Halo withdrawals by Halo 5's release date, and the negative impacts of TMCC having so many issues wouldn't be fresh on everybody's minds. Maybe I'm naive, but I still think digital sales for Halo 5 were a lot higher than normal for a console game. Wrong or right, Halo 5 will have some legs and I think additions of BTB and Forge, plus new maps will help game sales long-term.
Your the hero NeoGAF deserves and the hero it needs. Thanks for the information.
Just done a bit of googling, and it seems like he may be the the "Group President And Chief Research & Analytics Officer":
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/...ident-and-chief-research-&-analytics-officer/
Don't think he'll land himself in bother!
Aeroglyphics
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Kinda Funny had Aaron Greenberg on and asked him the same question. Obviously there's PR speak in there but I thought his response was honest enough.
https://youtu.be/6-5Z_7yM_5o?t=14m24s
Gotdatmoney
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If this actually is an NPD spokesperson . . .
Iff so to dude I was debating with. You da real winner brohan
I don't think anyone confused my opinion for a fact. Except those who are telling me that my opinion is not a fact, with great alacrity.
btw, Halo 5 is pretty awesome.
Wouldn't have worked this past September with metal gear
Japanmanx3
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If he's that George then he can do whatever he wants probably....
Megatron
Member
Huh? 'Its no fun when we get the numbers. Hey, can I have the numbers'?
Jack The Nipper
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I will start off with saying I feel the Halo 5 sales are a disappointment obviously and it proves consumer loyalty and trust is a very needed thing. However... I feel Halo 5 is rebuilding that trust in the Halo community with its multi-player for sure. Halo 5 sales will be lower in November, but I bet it still does 500-700k due to Black Friday + free games w/ consoles, etc.
Halo 5 will more than likely keep selling long term (though in much smaller #'s obviously) and I still think it will end up with 5+ million in the end. Nothing compared to past mainline Halo's, but still really good. It just is not the pure juggernaut it use to be.
Though I think with Halo 6 it will be up over 5, but below 3/4 again. Halo 4 and MCC really hurt the trust/loyalty of the fanbase and just like MS as a whole has been with XB1, they are having to do the same with Halo and I think Halo 5 is a step in the right direction.
I also feel this way about AC: Syndicate, Unity clearly hurt them bad, but I think Syndicate being as good as it is will help the next games sales.
Just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree as it's just my opinion
I raelly don't believe this. MCC is what fans wanted yes. They don't like halo 4 and maybe they do have something agasint 343.
There are a lot of people that aren't liking the mp as you say (obviously a lot of halo fans wouldn't even try it) especially after the beta. There will always be groups of people who like games and I'm not saying 100,000 people don't like the game but
there are a lot of people who also don't like the product that is halo 5.
Halo 1 did well on reviews and word of mouth because the game was good.
halo 5 doesn't even have btb maps (there is a whole thread of people not happy about the btb maps) It's missing basic things like ball, team doubles and social playlist. I know the maps are coming but boy it's just community forge maps. The game isn't going to sell on word of mouth that's for sure.
I was watching snipedown on twitch and half the maps the chat were all saying how this one sucks , I hate this map and oh this map again.... but this is what they made halo 5 to be.
I love halo and I sort of like halo 5 but I am just about 100 percent burnt out on the game already. I am tired of the map design, the same maps over and over and there just isn't things in the game that I really enjoy for what Halo is. This is such a blunder that it's impressive they worked on this for three year's. maybe too much warzone too much something but it's quite the mess even if it had great sales.
Halo 5 has a lot more problems than just mcc or halo 4, don't kid yourselves.
I think based on the larger reveal of details NPD are wanting to address where digital is likely making more of the sales - i.e. Destiny expansion.
Suspect some sort of discussion around getting access to digital sales from digital stores (i.e. Ninty/MS/Sony) is driving this sudden change.
But nice to get numbers - really helps cut through the discussion and appreciate the further analysis.
Suspect some sort of discussion around getting access to digital sales from digital stores (i.e. Ninty/MS/Sony) is driving this sudden change.
But nice to get numbers - really helps cut through the discussion and appreciate the further analysis.
Hockeymac18
Member
Thread needs more doom and gloom...
You guys make it sound like the game was a complete and utter financial failure. They still sold a crapload of games (most games would kill to sell ~1 million physical copies in one month in one territory), and (more importantly) made a lot of money.
As long as they can make a lot of money off the franchise, they'll keep making them.
Now, if the sales of the games fell to niche levels (out of top 10), then you might have a point.
But the game is still selling a lot - it's just not at top AAA levels like it once was. That doesn't mean it can't still be a very successful franchise, though (I'd bet Halo 5 has already sold and made enough money to make its investment worthwhile after less than a month on the market).