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NPD shares their definition of "core gamers", estimates 34 million in the US
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Why is that sad.
I play games on my phone in the bathroom/lunch/train/whenever. Why wouldn't you?
Yeah, but why include Mac then? Mac doesn't really court games either. In fact I would argue that if Mac even attempts now to court games it's only cause Apple was forced in spite of themselves to see gaming could be lucrative through the iphone. And I'd still argue they don't (the OS is not very friendly towards it. There's a reason there is a saying that if you want to game on a Mac, install Windows. Mac versions of games in general need a lot higher requirements cause the OS is not designed well for what game developers need).
Hell, at one point in Mac's history Steve Jobs outright snubbed games and said he didn't want them on his computer cause he didn't want that kind of reputation for the computer (he wanted it to be seen as a productive machine).
I know I missed out on a lot of games cause I had a Mac growing up (I only figured it was cause Macs weren't as popular, I had no idea that it was outright hostile towards games). I loved any developer though that would make games for it. I was very happy about one that actually decided to target Macs (I noticed they eventually caved and started doing PC games).
If Nintendo doesn't care about third parties and that is why they are excluded, mac should be too cause Apple doesn't even care about gaming period on Macs. Hell, even most mac fanatics will tell you to install windows to play on a Mac. They're not good gaming machines at all (and I say this as some one who has a mac and prefers them herself, but considers that the one downside).
spookyfish
Member
Meanwhile, there's nothing more casual than GTA, Call of Duty (both of which I enjoy) and Madden gamers.
You can get some relief in that 3DS and Vita users are probably getting thrown into that box.
Is this a good thing for Nintendo, like the old schtick about Aliens: Colonial Marines Wii U being the definitive version? Is there anything good about Nintendo being excluded from NPD's definition of core gamers?
It's probably just an oversight in the text and Nintendo console/handheld users were included in that estimate.
That's a nice hopeful thought, thanks.
deltatheta
Member
It's hard to consume third party products on Nintendo systems because they just don't exist. It kind of makes sense in a weird way that the industry has written Nintendo out of the definition because they just have no interest in ever supporting Nintendo platforms with core games. They don't even want to measure the audience that they're missing out on.
Gentleman Jack
Member
If I add my mobile gaming time to my PC gaming time I might brush up against 22 hours/week.
OldKingDoran
Banned
No handhelds and Nintendo..yeah nah.
Buddha Beam
Banned
As someone who currently only has a Wii U and 3DS as his current gen systems, I guess I don't count.
Good bye forever, GAF. I'm going to post on Oprah's forums or something.
Oprah does have a forum, right?
Good bye forever, GAF. I'm going to post on Oprah's forums or something.
Oprah does have a forum, right?
I would consider myself a hardcore gamer... usually over 40 hours a week. But I never play any games on my phone, because I don't find them fun whatsoever.
I do browse forum websites on my phone all the time, but I think mobile games suck.
Do you go out of your way to avoid them?
That's weird.
Really? Every single one sucks?
Max Knight
Member
This was my thought too. 390 casual hours.
CrackPebbles
Member
Really hxc on that mac, what's your KD brah?
Anyways I wouldn't look into this much. Y'know whats core from a marketing standpoint? Whales.
doesn't have much to do with credibility regarding how big your dick is, morseo how much you spend, and how much time you waste/invest into the medium.
Anyways I wouldn't look into this much. Y'know whats core from a marketing standpoint? Whales.
doesn't have much to do with credibility regarding how big your dick is, morseo how much you spend, and how much time you waste/invest into the medium.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Filthy Casuals and their fucking Metroids.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
They're not exactly painting themselves as a good aggregate for this data selection here, especially offering it up extrapolation from it.
Even if I had a smart device, I'd prefer tending to proper gaming platforms first, with the limited time on hand.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Well guess I am not a core gamer even tho I own vita, 3da xl, ps3, ps4, Xbox 360, wii, and a gaming PC..
Script_Flipper
Member
2/3 ALSO play mobile. Not only mobile. I almost got tripped up on that myself.
Yes, every single one that I have personally tried, I have not enjoyed. That is fact.
I assume you realize that I have not tried every mobile game in existence, so I was clearly talking about my own experiences.
Trent Strong
Banned
22 hours a week? Damn. I guess it's mostly kids playing that much though.
Beardz
Member
Dude, wtf?! What would you play to fill those 35 hours using a NON core platform?!
flatearthpandas
Member
I think it's more a problem with the fact that "core gamer" doesn't really mean anything. It's a term that people who feel passionate about videogames use to describe themselves, and NPD has drawn some pretty arbitrary lines as to who "counts."
People in this thread are trying to rationalize it by assuming definitions for "core" that would rationally not include Nintendo, but the definition NPD offered was very specific and very specifically arbitrary.
I'd imagine their definition fits the perception the majority of the gaming industry has. NPD exists to serve businesses. The fact that many gamers find NPD's information interesting enough to read and discuss is a secondary concern. Instead of realizing that all this description does is shine some light on the inner workings of the industry many people are taking it as some sort of personal affront.
MWS Natural
Member
I agree with this. I consider myself a core or "hardcore" gamer and own all of the above vut haven't owned a nintendo console since Super NES.
Yeah, I hate when people have fun too.
Now that would be the real nightmare, lol. But seriously, publishers developing for smart devices are not after traditional gamers but are hoping to get their stuff going viral with the masses. I'd prefer a different focus for their resources.
flatearthpandas
Member
Well, we can imagine and rationalize, but the actual "definition" they gave co-opted a term that many people identify with and arbitrarily excluded some of those people without any explanation or rationalization.
It's like if an organization gave a definition of Asian that read: "People of Chinese, Japanese, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, or Filipino descent."
Can you think of other people who probably consider themselves Asian that have been arbitrarily left out of this "definition"? I can.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Well, seeing as pretty much everyone who buys a Wii U has to be a core gamer, it seems Nintendo aren't doing too shabby then all considering (since the lion's share of those 34 million will be comprised of last-gen owners).
Let's say 30 million of those 34 are last-gen players, which leaves Wii U with the largest core game player base out of current-gen.
Let's say 30 million of those 34 are last-gen players, which leaves Wii U with the largest core game player base out of current-gen.
SwiftDeath
Member
So we're likely around 12M Next-gen systems now give or take a million units
Assuming NPD estimation of the core is even remotely accurate, the belief that some hold that only core gamers are buying into next-gen at present would represent a third or so of core being early adopters and buying a new system within the first 6 months of its release
I guess that's not too out there but I imagine we're transitioning into sales between both hardcore gamers and softcore, maybe even some casuals who are after a prettier Fifa or Madden
Assuming NPD estimation of the core is even remotely accurate, the belief that some hold that only core gamers are buying into next-gen at present would represent a third or so of core being early adopters and buying a new system within the first 6 months of its release
I guess that's not too out there but I imagine we're transitioning into sales between both hardcore gamers and softcore, maybe even some casuals who are after a prettier Fifa or Madden
Wait people think this is high?
MisterGrey3000
Member
This seems a bit bogus. :/
44h a week? 6.25 hours *approximately* a day? That's not a hobby, its a secondary vocation. Seems like a lot, but I have no idea about your time-management or other priorities.
