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[HariKari]

Sure. But how long will the peace last? I'm not familiar with guns being a sign of peace like an olive branch.

The police will be forced into being extra careful, which will lead to fewer pointless arrests and harassment. Despite how they pretend to be, the police aren't a military force, and want to avoid open conflict with people. Arming the people they want to harass after having set a precedent that white folks carrying isn't a problem is a great move.

 

[Phobophile]

This is the same clown who defended his pal's use of the word "mulatto" on npr the other day by saying, "well doesn't Obama have a white mother and a black father?"

Forgive me if I don't take him at face value.

I refer to myself as a mulatto.

 

[Kibbles]

When is this march supposed to take place?

 

[Walpurgis]

I refer to myself as a mulatto.

Yeah, "mulatto" being a bad word is news to me.

 

[wildfire]

Mulatto isn't a bad word. Weird point that was made by Stinkles.

 

[213372bu]

This is the same clown who defended his pal's use of the word "mulatto" on npr the other day by saying, "well doesn't Obama have a white mother and a black father?"

Forgive me if I don't take him at face value.

Mulatto is a perfectly fine word in spanish speaking countries.

It's actually used kinda affectionately in some cases.

 

[dramatis]

You think the evidence is pretty clear while not citing any and asking rhetorical questions. Yeah, ok. Meanwhile, I can cite this Wiki article regarding their formation.

"Oath Keepers was founded in March 2009 by Stewart Rhodes. Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former US Army paratrooper, and a former staffer of Congressman Ron Paul. Rhodes is reported to have taken inspiration from the idea that Hitler could have been stopped if German soldiers and police had refused to follow orders."

Wants to prevent another Hitler from coming to power. Clearly a fascist right there.

It seems like the behavior of these individuals, who think they can judge better than the voted representatives of the people, may perhaps not be fascist but they certainly aren't reasonable people.

From Mother Jones:

Now Pray is both a Birther and a Truther. He believes he is following an illegitimate, foreign-born president in a war on terror launched by a government plot—9/11. He admires soldiers like Army reservist Major Stefan Frederick Cook, who volunteered for a deployment last May and then sued to avoid it—claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus unfit for command. Pray himself had been eager to go to Iraq when his own unit deployed last June, but he smashed both knees falling from a crane rig and the injuries kept him stateside. In September, he was demoted from specialist to private first class—he'd been written up for bullshit infractions, he claims, after seeking help for a drinking problem. His job on base involves operating and maintaining heavy machinery; the day before we met, he and his fellow "undeployables" had attached a snowplow to a Humvee, their biggest assignment in a while. He spends idle hours at the now-quiet base researching the New World Order and conspiracies about swine flu quarantine camps—and doing his best to "wake up" other soldiers.

The next afternoon we join Brandon, one of Pray's Army buddies, for steaks. Sitting in a pleather booth at Texas Roadhouse, the young men talk boastfully about their military capabilities and weapons caches. Role-playing the enemy in military exercises, Brandon says, has prepared him to evade and fight back against US troops. "I know their tactics," brags Pray. "I know how they do room sweeps, work their convoys—if we attack this vehicle, what the others will do."

A strapping Idahoan, Brandon (who doesn't want his full name used) enlisted as a teenager when he got his girlfriend pregnant and needed a stable job, stat. (She lost the baby and they split, but he's still glad he signed up.) Unlike his friend, he doesn't think the United Nations must be dismantled, although he does agree that it represents the New World Order, and he suspects that concentration camps are being readied in the off-limits section of Fort Drum. He sends 500 rounds of ammunition home to Idaho each month.

On the founder, Rhodes:

Rhodes responded with a breathless column starring a despotic president, "Hitlery" Clinton, in her "Chairman Mao signature pantsuit." Would readers, he asked, obey orders from this "dominatrix-in-chief" to hold militia members as enemy combatants, disarm citizens, and shoot all resisters? If "a police state comes to America, it will ultimately be by your hands," he warned. You had better "resolve to not let it happen on your watch." He set up an Oath Keepers blog, asking soldiers and veterans to post testimonials. Word spread. Military officers offered assistance. A Marine Corps veteran invited Rhodes to speak at a local Tea Party event. Paul campaigners provided strategic advice. And by the time Rhodes arrived in Lexington to speak at a rally staged by a pro-militia group, a movement was afoot.

Rhodes stood on the common that day before a crowd of about 400 die-hard patriot types. He spoke their language. "You need to be alert and aware to the reality of how close we are to having our constitutional republic destroyed," he said. "Every dictatorship in the history of mankind, whether it is fascist, communist, or whatever, has always set aside normal procedures of due process under times of emergency...We can't let that happen here. We need to wake up!"

From the Southern Poverty Law Center, about the Oath Keepers:

The core idea of the group is that its members vow to forever support the oaths they took on joining law enforcement or the military to defend the Constitution. But just as central is the group’s list of 10 “Orders We Will Not Obey,” a compendium of much-feared but entirely imaginary threats from the government — orders, for instance, to force Americans into concentration camps, confiscate their guns, or cooperate with foreign troops in the United States. These supposed threats are, in fact, part of the central conspiracy theory advocated by the antigovernment “Patriot” movement of which the Oath Keepers is a part — the baseless claim that the federal government plans to impose martial law, seize Americans’ weapons, force those who resist into concentration camps, and, ultimately, push the country into a one-world socialistic government known as the “New World Order.” In 2013, the group took on a more aggressive stance, announcing the planned formation of “Citizen Preservation” militias meant to defend Americans against the New World Order.

On the comic opera side, Oath Keepers stormed into Quartzsite, a small Arizona town, to defend local residents who were ejected after refusing to leave a 2010 Town Council meeting on alleged government corruption. Led by Rhodes, the Oath Keepers marched into town and the group’s website called Quartzsite a pivot point for Americans to finally see the looming danger of the “New World Order.” The upshot: The Oath Keepers left town rapidly, and the State Bar of Arizona later censured Rhodes for practicing law without a state license because he wrote letters threatening a lawsuit on behalf of the ejected residents. He was fined $600.

And, in a widely publicized case, another Oath Keeper was sentenced to 30 years in prison for raping his own 7-year-old daughter. After failing to appear for trial in 2010, Charles Dyer, an ex-Marine, led police on a multi-state chase and began issuing threats against law enforcement, warning that they’d better not catch up to him. Although Dyer had spoken on behalf of the Oath Keepers and online videos identified him as the group’s liaison to the Marines, Rhodes claimed he really wasn’t part of the group.

From the looks of it, they're probably not fascist. I don't think they have any actual ideology, just a mishmash of paranoid beliefs.

 

[timetokill]

I had no idea "mulatto" was racist.

 

[213372bu]

I had no idea "mulatto" was racist.

It isn't.

Unless you just don't understand what somebody is saying and are just trying to project more of your anger on somebody.

 

[boiled goose]

It isn't.

Unless you just don't understand what somebody is saying and are just trying to project more of your anger on somebody.

It's not racist but might be outdated.

It could be seen as trying to define you in a specific way and draws hard lines between white and black. Not necessarily racist, but could be seen in a one drop rule kind of way.

Happa is not usually considered offensive.

Mestizo (mixed American native and European) is used by Latin Americans all the time.

Zambo (mixed American native and black) is perceived as more offensive and is not used often.

Context is everything basically.
These terms are definitely colonial eray though.

 

[Valhelm]

I had no idea "mulatto" was racist.

It can be construed a such, because it's so outdated.

 

[kame-sennin]

It's a kind gesture, but violence isn't going to solve violence.

[Citation needed.]

Better than the US that is. Remember, the original argument was that violence improves race relations. The evidence suggests that it doesn't.

What history are you reading?

 

[RockTurtle]

Mulatto is still used as an endearing term in DR

When is something officially outdated?

 

[Slayven]

Who under 60 is using mulatto?

 

[dbztrk]

Mulatto isn't a bad word. Weird point that was made by Stinkles.

It depends on who you speak to. Mulatto is derived from Mule. A mule is created by having two different species of animals (a male donkey and a female horse) procreate producing a sterile offspring.

I'm pretty sure you can figure out why this term can be viewed as problematic by some.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Mulatto is something I would expect Paula Deen to say when feeling generous lol

In America at least, it's just old

 

[Ketch]

History has shown the opposite. Tremendous strides in civil rights were made when blacks armed themselves. You really ought to research the Deacons for Defense. The armed security they provided at southern civil rights protests often caused the police to immediately deescalate.

A mentality of timidity is extremely useful for the oppressor. If being unarmed is no guarantee of safety, we ought to be armed and prepared to defend ourselves.



Not really:

Oakland police officers stopped a car carrying Newton, Seale, and several other Panthers with rifles and handguns. When one officer asked to see one of the guns, Newton refused. “I don’t have to give you anything but my identification, name, and address,” he insisted. This, too, he had learned in law school.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?” an officer responded.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?,” Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends had a legal right to have their firearms.

Newton got out of the car, still holding his rifle.

“What are you going to do with that gun?” asked one of the stunned policemen.

“What are you going to do with your gun?,” Newton replied.

By this time, the scene had drawn a crowd of onlookers. An officer told the bystanders to move on, but Newton shouted at them to stay. California law, he yelled, gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest, so long as they didn’t interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd. In a loud voice, he told the police officers, “If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun, I’m going to shoot back at you, swine.” Although normally a black man with Newton’s attitude would quickly find himself handcuffed in the back of a police car, enough people had gathered on the street to discourage the officers from doing anything rash. Because they hadn’t committed any crime, the Panthers were allowed to go on their way.

The people who’d witnessed the scene were dumbstruck. Not even Bobby Seale could believe it. Right then, he said, he knew that Newton was the “baddest motherfucker in the world.” Newton’s message was clear: “The gun is where it’s at and about and in.” After the February incident, the Panthers began a regular practice of policing the police. Thanks to an army of new recruits inspired to join up when they heard about Newton’s bravado, groups of armed Panthers would drive around following police cars. When the police stopped a black person, the Panthers would stand off to the side and shout out legal advice.​

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Isn't this the exact reason the 2nd amendment exists?

I mean the crazy fucking mass shootings need to stop but abolishing the 2nd amendment... I don't think I'd ever agree with that.

 

[Gattsu25]

IIRC, you don't need a license or permit to carry a long gun in Missouri.

Now we know what law is going to get fast-tracked next.

 

[Walpurgis]

History has shown the opposite. Tremendous strides in civil rights were made when blacks armed themselves. You really ought to research the Deacons for Defense. The armed security they provided at southern civil rights protests often caused the police to immediately deescalate.

A mentality of timidity is extremely useful for the oppressor. If being unarmed is no guarantee of safety, we ought to be armed and prepared to defend ourselves.



Not really:

Oakland police officers stopped a car carrying Newton, Seale, and several other Panthers with rifles and handguns. When one officer asked to see one of the guns, Newton refused. “I don’t have to give you anything but my identification, name, and address,” he insisted. This, too, he had learned in law school.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?” an officer responded.

“Who in the hell do you think you are?,” Newton replied indignantly. He told the officer that he and his friends had a legal right to have their firearms.

Newton got out of the car, still holding his rifle.

“What are you going to do with that gun?” asked one of the stunned policemen.

“What are you going to do with your gun?,” Newton replied.

By this time, the scene had drawn a crowd of onlookers. An officer told the bystanders to move on, but Newton shouted at them to stay. California law, he yelled, gave civilians a right to observe a police officer making an arrest, so long as they didn’t interfere. Newton played it up for the crowd. In a loud voice, he told the police officers, “If you try to shoot at me or if you try to take this gun, I’m going to shoot back at you, swine.” Although normally a black man with Newton’s attitude would quickly find himself handcuffed in the back of a police car, enough people had gathered on the street to discourage the officers from doing anything rash. Because they hadn’t committed any crime, the Panthers were allowed to go on their way.

The people who’d witnessed the scene were dumbstruck. Not even Bobby Seale could believe it. Right then, he said, he knew that Newton was the “baddest motherfucker in the world.” Newton’s message was clear: “The gun is where it’s at and about and in.” After the February incident, the Panthers began a regular practice of policing the police. Thanks to an army of new recruits inspired to join up when they heard about Newton’s bravado, groups of armed Panthers would drive around following police cars. When the police stopped a black person, the Panthers would stand off to the side and shout out legal advice.​

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

Wow. That's incredible. America needs the Black Panthers back.

 

[HyperionX]

[Citation needed.]

What history are you reading?

The parts of history that contradict your claims. Especially in the post-telecommunication/digital age, which has made peaceful protests far more effective.

 

[Azih]

The parts of history that contradict your claims. Especially in the post-telecommunication/digital age, which has made peaceful protests far more effective.

Huh. So The Arab Spring means that Egypt isn't ruled over by a military dictatorship anymore? Oh wait. That didn't work out huh?

 

[HyperionX]

Huh. So The Arab Spring means that Egypt isn't ruled over by a military dictatorship anymore? Oh wait. That didn't work out huh?

Compare Egypt to Syria or Libya. Egypt is relatively in a much better shape than those other countries.

 

[CLEEK]

Funny that some of those countries also are homogenized and aren't a cultural melting pot like the US is.

What I have learned from the Internet is when many American (incorrectly) refer to other countries as "culturally homogenized", thus able to have social welfare, high levels of education and employment, low crime and high standards of living, it's just dog whistle language for saying "they don't have blacks bring everything down".

 

[kame-sennin]

What I have learned from the Internet is when many American (incorrectly) refer to other countries as "culturally homogenized", thus able to have social welfare, high levels of education and employment, low crime and high standards of living, it's just dog whistle language for saying "they don't have blacks bring everything down".

I think the Americans using that argument are rather saying, "they don't have blacks to kick around". Which is a significant difference as far as perspective goes.