GameAddict411
Member
That was not my point. I meant that you would be supporting Oculus financially by buying their product. Supporting Oculus would mean more power to idiots like Palmer Luckey.
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Oculus holds "diversity luncheon;" refuses to address Luckey questions. CEO needs mom
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That was not my point. I meant that you would be supporting Oculus financially by buying their product. Supporting Oculus would mean more power to idiots like Palmer Luckey.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
I plan on getting into VR soon. I don't plan on ever giving a single dollar to anything that racist turd is involved in.
SuperBanana
Banned
Funding a hate group for "a jolly good time" is beyond a personal belief.
Vincent Grayson
Member
That's simply not true in most states. You can fire someone for any reason *other* than one covered by the various anti-discrimination laws. There's no law against firing someone for being an asshole.
I have a question for people who are worried about the innocent Oculus employees:
What exactly are you worried about? Is it that they'll lose their jobs? If that's the case why do you think I should support a company that would rather fire innocent employees than the person who the boycott is meant to protest?
What exactly are you worried about? Is it that they'll lose their jobs? If that's the case why do you think I should support a company that would rather fire innocent employees than the person who the boycott is meant to protest?
NegativeCero
Banned
Their PR is doing a terrible job. Address it in a way that isn't just his opinions aren't our own. I wasn't in the market for VR headsets yet, but this is making me not want to support them at all.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Was he running for president on a blatant platform of hate at the time?
Are you paying to stay in a hotel years ago and Luckey financing Nimble America now remotely comparable?
That's not true but anyone who calls 20 somethings kids are in their 50s and up.
It's a nonsensical argument either way.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
That mom quote is hilarious
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
They're not in an at-will state? That's unfortunate in this situation.
staticneuron
Member
They don't need to. Did you not read the quotes?
Again, they didn't say the agreed nor disagreed with his views and his views do not represent the company. The second quote was guy stating that he wouldn't work at a place that condoned or spread hate. In combination with the first post do you not see what was stated?
Why would they need to respond any further?
In direct response to the controversy and people with pitchforks there could be a strong case made that the firing was in response to legally held personal political opinion. Then again, alot of companies could fire someone for the bad PR, but again we do not know the specifics of his employment or whether or not he has a contract that would either make it difficult or expensive to remove him.
Which also since Oculus is located in Irvine firing someone based off of political belief is illegal according to California's FEHA.
I think their PR is doing a great job. This story continues to disappear and within a few months people will forget. Eventually, Luckey will appear from hiding and all will be forgotten.
There will be those of us who remember, but that doesn't matter much. Especially once VR becomes more mainstream.
It makes me sad that you can be a shitlord like Luckey Palmer and get away with it.
Because their quotes don't match what he was saying. They sound very much like they never actually investigated what was being said. Take that "was in no way representing the company" line. That's pure bullshit, since he directly equates the company doing well to the source of the funds for his hate group.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
It is not our job to pay their salaries. It is, however, our job to stand up to racism in any form.
SmiteOfHand
Member
The mom comment is funny but is also a big hint that Oculus has no idea how to handle this situation. Look, if it were as simple as personal politics then this would be a brain dead, easy PR situation. Instead we have prominent Oculus employees waiving briefcases in reporters faces and literally running to their mom.
Their entire handling of this situation has been piss poor. Full stop. They don't need you to do their PR work for them. They have done nothing to earn your defense.
Their entire handling of this situation has been piss poor. Full stop. They don't need you to do their PR work for them. They have done nothing to earn your defense.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Now factor in the fact that what Palmer did goes far beyond political belief.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
This was years ago, so no. But I don't think that is relevant.
I have zero problems with people not buying Oculus because they don't want to support Luckey. It is their choice; I think they are right to choose that.
People can argue semantics all they want on whether you "literally support" someone by buying their product/service. If that is what someone is saying, that is not really meaningful in the first place imo. I think if someone has the ability to make all their choices based on every potential negative outcome, that is a great place to be in.
"at-will" refers to a particular type of employment contract, typically where no written agreement has been made. Luckey certainly is not an at-will employee, making the state laws regarding at-will irrelevant. They can't just fire Luckey for any reason. It is likely defined within his contract what reasons and how he can be fired. Assuming they even want to, because that can having a chilling effect on the entire company that if a figurehead like luckey can be fired for that, than you better hide your personal beliefs because you could be next.
I personally believe they should fire Luckey, but I don't find it amazing that they haven't yet.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Maybe that one guy asking for his mom had just got burned by Kamiya-san on Twitter?
Seth Enosh
Member
Ok. I don't really want to get into a race based argument, so I'll take your word for it. You can substitute the word "immature" where I wrote kid in my original post. The point still stands, Palmer was already sidelined from a while back. His title is "founder" and professional management like Iribe were brought in instead of him. He's not the CEO and we don't have evidence showing that he could threaten anyone's job at Oculus.
If facebook had evidence of Palmer discriminating at work as some people in this thread fear he could do, I think they'd cut him loose immediately. That kind of conduct is illegal in California so it would be easy to get rid of him (unlike political donations and activity which are legally protected)
GAF what grinds my gears is that a lot of you guys seemingly want to ditch Oculus at all. I think Luckey is a dumb ass for sure and it would be best if he retires, but I don't want Oculus to disappear.
I think it's a decent product, competition is necessary and there are a lot of fine ppl working at Oculus which most probably aren't affiliated at all with Luckey's bullshit.
I think it's a decent product, competition is necessary and there are a lot of fine ppl working at Oculus which most probably aren't affiliated at all with Luckey's bullshit.
Oculus' practices in the VR sphere have been anti-consumer and anti-competitive. Their product doesn't place the industry in it's best interest. What "grinds my gears" is that this was brought up less than a page ago. I have absolutely ditched Oculus. As a VR developer, yes, I am flat out telling people to not support their company. Their success isn't the same as VR's success. What they are pushing is bad for VR. Palmer Luckey's shithead behavior is just the icing on the cake.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Um... I don't think NimbleAmerica qualifies as a legitimate political group. I doubt they've registered with anything.
If he wanted to make "political donations" he should have donated to Trump or Johnson.
He may be a shitlord but if it wasn't for that shitlord VR wouldn't be here today.
As much as we like to hate on Oculus and the fact that Luckey may be an ignorant child, Oculus has brought quality VR to the masses along with pushing Valve to do the same.
Also, he's going nowhere. Regardless of how upset everyone is, he is critical to the development of Oculus products and the Rift. My prediction is this will all blow over in 6 months to a year and everyone will move on.
No they don't. But what have they really done other than post some stupid billboard.
Sure their website is trash and so is their motive, but I've yet to see anything they've actually been responsible for. Maybe Luckey getting "caught" was a good thing because now their shitposting is under a microscope and they lost their golden goose.
No, he really isn't.
They may have been the first to the playground but as said in the post before mine they have done nothing but anti consumer practices allowing only their games to be played on their headset, closed their platform off while the competition is completely open and now their face and creator is a racist piece of shit? Nah the company can burn, if it effects their sales and bottom line then it ain't the fucking janitor that needs to go.
You really think Valve, Sony, and countless other companies weren't already working on VR tech way before the Oculus kickstarter?
Come on.
Seth Enosh
Member
Actually a big part of the $10k he donated, according to news reports, went to paying a lawyer who set up the corporate structure for Nimble America as a registered 501(c)4 organization. See the original article where it references the "Nimble attorneys" http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...re-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html
So? The National Ku Klux Klan Museum is organized as a 501(c)3 organization. The word "legitimate" in this case means "free from criticism."
This is an insult to Vincent Adultman
is this the CEO?
Seth Enosh
Member
I was replying to someone who said, "I doubt they've registered with anything." I interpreted legitimate in their post as a reference to that sentence of their post.
You might want to do a little research into MTBS3D forum and Palmer Luckeys posts on his VR headset he was developing. I'm not saying Sony and Valve were not already working on VR but the kickstarters popularity gave it validity and jumpstarted the current VR trend we are in today. Along with Carmack bringing Palmers prototype to E3 and getting behind it like he did because he believed in the vision Palmer had.
Once again, I'm not defending Palmer in any way but to deny his influence on the scale of today's VR is completely off base.
In this situation, yeah. But I'd rather let one asshole slide than ever giving companies the right to shitcan people for whatever reason they concoct. I'll take that trade off any day of the week.
I guarantee you I know more about this than you do. He isn't in any position at Oculus to actually affect the design or production of the rift going forward.
Carmack brought the prototype to Quakecon, not E3. It was Quakecon where it gained the attention, as "Carmack's VR."
hahahaha
dickgumshoe
Member
I can't believe how stupid they are acting.
Fuck nimble Oculus and nimble Facebook.
Fuck nimble Oculus and nimble Facebook.
If that's the argument you're presenting in favour of Oculus, it's not one worth making.
It was E3:
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/e3-2012-john-carmack-interview/2300-6164/
And as for going forward, that may be.
Oh, you want to just cape for racist organizations and the children who donate to them. Let's fix that.
Dirtyshubb
Member
But at the end of the day palmer sold the company to Facebook, so any credit he may deserve for creating the rift means fuck all since he exchanged that credit for $700m.
Also someone deserving credit for something doesn't mean they should be exempt from criticism and punishment for totally separate issues and actions.
I myself will not support like Luckey or Oculus and the company that are involve until they address the issues with him or be rid of him. Those that says what about the people at the company who dont believe in him I say they should leave or voice their opinions. Basically I feel that the people who say nothing and let this carry on is worse than the person committing the act. If Oculus becomes a failure to this than good. Their be other who will take its place. A company that does not address this kind of issues says a lot about the company itself.
Please climb down off that cross, it's needed for an upcoming burning event.
outunderthestars
Banned
I think that their silence on this issue is almost more alarming than Lucky supporting disgusting organizations.
He helped kickstart a VR headset, if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have VR!
We can't fire him just because he gave 10,000 dollars to a racist hate group. What is 10,000 invested to make people hate minorities and women compared to his kickstarter! So what if he's a racist shit head that women and minorities have to work with? Give the poor guy a pass!