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Okay, TeamCG. Come own up to your foolishness. #trolljima
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Sorcerer Supreme
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Team Real all the way!
Obviously it's been created in 3d and various texture work and other techniques have been done but as I said this is more akin to performance capture. There already is a wealth of resources they are using and not working from a blank slate. The most painstaking work that most artists and animators is already done for them all they have to do is recreate it. There was an article in a newspaper over here a few weeks ago highlighting stuff that is shot for shot from films (Roman Holiday was one of the top of my head).
That's no excuse. If he couldn't speak properly due to discomfort then he wouldn't sound like he's talking normally.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
They can confirm they they'll show you stuff at GDC. This was just a fluff piece brought to you by everyone's favorite shill. Kojimas version of the announcement of an announcement.
He does not sound like he's talking normally. I'm pretty sure that's a general consensus and, if I might add, also one of the arguments for TeamCG
Lostconfused
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Right. I am not overly invested in this argument so this is just my quick take on the whole thing. There are some things odd about the facial expressions and movement. But it could be that the facial bandages are causing odd facial tics because they are uncomfortable or restricting the facial muscles from moving freely.
Honestly it doesn't seem definitive to me one way or another. So I think it's easier to assume for now that its real, at least for me.
Fuck it, we need to go deeper. Geoff Keighley was never a real human being and has been CG this entire time. He has been a real-life looking CG since before graphics left the 16-bit era and his image has aged as a normal person would. This interview has backfired for this persona because I have now seen the truth.
Try to talk without your tongue and compare it to his speech. It's just not possible.
Ether_Snake
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The whole Mobydick thing is probably an analogy to chasing realism.
He still doesn't know that everything's being controlled by the La-li-lu-le-lo?
Always-honest
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There is no cynicism though. I think we're all having fun. At least, that was my point with saying what i said, i case you read it the wrong way
One side thinks it real the other side think's it's CG.
Just because you can't see his tongue doesn't mean he's not using it. You can't see his ears either but that doesn't mean he's deaf.
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You can see his tongue...
Anyway the only thing that could be CG is the eyes or head, but NOT the mouth, 100% impossible.
And for those saying "what's the point of the interview then??", well he confirmed a new trailer at GDC and all details explained. Currently Kojima has a keynote for Ground Zeroes. He's basically confirming the game will be shown there and Phantom Pain is probably just the name of the keynote.
Anyway the only thing that could be CG is the eyes or head, but NOT the mouth, 100% impossible.
And for those saying "what's the point of the interview then??", well he confirmed a new trailer at GDC and all details explained. Currently Kojima has a keynote for Ground Zeroes. He's basically confirming the game will be shown there and Phantom Pain is probably just the name of the keynote.
Makes me really wonder how the story turns out for Ground Zeroes.
angular graphics
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You know if you cut off your ears you won't go deaf, right?
I'll take TeamLocke any day. TeamJack drones on about the island foliage.
Back and forth back and forth
Always-honest
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Perhaps you should.
I'm Team Locke too, but...Jack had Kate in the jungle.
Uiki
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Or they would make him react not normally in order to fool those thinking he'd move normal into thinking he's real because he's not normal which would mean he's real CG.
They were trying to make him act like a game developer. The perfect game developer is awkward.
I thought about that, but I think Kojima praised LA Noire's facial tech and he's going with it in this video.
The guy's facial mannerisms are full of information being held back. Select "Doubt" to interrogate further.
The One Who Knocks
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It's important to note that the keynote isn't just for Ground Zero though, it's for the Fox Engine too and the keynote is titled: "'Photorealism through the eyes of a 'Fox' - The core of Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes".
EDIT: Not saying I'm convinced it's entirely CG. I definitely think at least some of it is real. I'm still extremely skeptical as to whether or not CG was used in some places within the interview though.
Always-honest
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What did you ask?
Wow. I'm not gonna lie, that's really good. As still screens, it's practically flawless. However, the animation gives it away. It's just too smooth. It's still in the uncanny valley.
Joakim on the other hand...his motion is FLAWLESS. Check out the eyebrow-twitching and eye movements. Call me a heathen, but I'm a staunch unbeliever!
Watching the video again...that final reaction from Joakim never fails to crack me up.
Later today, I'm going to be looking at some videos of Cliffy B, to see if that theory has any credibility. Aren't Kojima and Cliffy BFFs or something?
Rickenslacker
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If I had the proper recording device I'd be tempted to wrap my own face up and show you how you can talk without exaggerated mouth movements.
Ventriloquism must be straight up wizardry to you!
Always-honest
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Nah, Doesn't look like Cliffy B.
Fried Food
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I just tweeted Mogren. He thinks we should be looking forward to GDC
Uiki
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Well, no shit.
Ventriloquism is CG SFX.
But seriously, I'm not convinced he's real. He just looks so fake and the fact that he's covered in bandages hides the overall CG look of his face well.
Saying that, he has BJ lips. Does the guy in the Phantom Pain trailer have lips like him?
I'm sure he asked something in a way that'd induce the person to think he was fake.
Nah man, Ventriloquism is just CG with pre-recorded CG voice acting.
Always-honest
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Are you sure he didn't say CGD?
DecoyOctopus
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The Mogren twitter is a fake..
I could see them secretly swapping in CG bits/parts to see if it goes unnoticed but no way is he CG.
So you are
blitzcloud
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Yeah, what a horrible person Kojima is.
He should be announcing dlc and season pass, not making an interesting mindfuck to build hype in a way consumers feel engaged.
Or he should make a compaign where a certain number of doritos purchases unveal the face without the bandages.
BlastProcessing
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I'm sure this is pretty fucking LTTP, but has #TeamCG explained Geoff's phone camera picture of Joakim?
Real or CG, GT.TV is a willing participant in this. This is a scripted oddball interview either way. So if it is CG, it would not be hard to get a still and put it on instagram. That would be the easiest part of the whole thing really. The pic is odd because Joakim is facing the same way he is in the interview. In the interview he is ostensibly facing Geoff. Who is he facing in the pic if Geoff is taking the pic?
Real or not, I don't think Geoff was ever in the same room as Joakim and the pic is to try to establish that he was.
Keep fight the good fight.
.:Wesker:.
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Has anyone poured over his fingers yet? They look a little odd to me, but it's probably just this thread going to my head.
They didn't even show Joakim showing the iPad to Geoff. Plus his hands looked like somebody else's.
You guys will love me when the truth is revealed.
I noticed them instantly.
Actually, after seeing this video, I now declare myself an agnostic.
http://youtu.be/bLiX5d3rC6o
Mind you, I doubt the Fox Engine is that good, and I don't think there would be much point in using Image Metrics' system instead of a real person, since that's not even Konami's tech, so why bother showing it off?
But it is worth noting: apparently Image Metrics did do facial animation for MGS3, according to Wikipedia.
Anyway, I'm still Team Real, but I acknowledge that it is now possible to surpass the Uncanny Valley as far as facial animations are concerned.
http://youtu.be/bLiX5d3rC6o
Mind you, I doubt the Fox Engine is that good, and I don't think there would be much point in using Image Metrics' system instead of a real person, since that's not even Konami's tech, so why bother showing it off?
But it is worth noting: apparently Image Metrics did do facial animation for MGS3, according to Wikipedia.
Anyway, I'm still Team Real, but I acknowledge that it is now possible to surpass the Uncanny Valley as far as facial animations are concerned.
VibratingDonkey
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What if it's real?
Maybe it's CG