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[Kyoufu]

Hahaha, goddamn you team CG guys are incredible. He isn't "half blinking" he is opening his eyes wider in shock. Are you people really this stupid?

He clearly half blinks. Thanks for the insult though.

 

[Makai]

Is this a half blink?

He's furrowing his brow which causes both eyelids to move.

 

[Persona86]

At the end he moves his top eyelids down partially instead of doing a full blink with both eyelids.

Well if he was real, I would say that the raised eyebrows and eyes wide open could possibly cause his blink to fail.

Still TeamCG thou.

 

[Xun]

Hahaha, goddamn you team CG guys are incredible. He isn't "half blinking" he is opening his eyes wider in shock. Are you people really this stupid?

He moves his top eyelids down after being in shock.

 

[Phonomezer]

The HALF BLINK™ was the tipping point for me.

#TCG

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Why is Moby Dick Studios located in Sweden?

A troll is a supernatural being in Norse mythology and Scandinavian folklore. In origin, troll may have been a negative synonym for a jötunn (plural jötnar), a being in Norse mythology. In Old Norse sources, beings described as trolls dwell in isolated rocks, mountains, or caves, live together in small family units, and are rarely helpful to human beings.
Later, in Scandinavian folklore, trolls became beings in their own right, where they live far from human habitation, are not Christianized, and are considered dangerous to human beings. Depending on the region from which accounts of trolls stem, their appearance varies greatly; trolls may be ugly and slow-witted or look and behave exactly like human beings, with no particularly grotesque characteristic about them. Trolls are sometimes associated with particular landmarks, which at times may be explained as formed from a troll exposed to sunlight. One of the most famous elements of Scandinavian folklore, trolls are depicted in a variety of media in modern popular culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll#Scandinavian_folklore

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Team CG

 

[Persona86]

And then his neck shadow flips out lol.

Wait your neck shadow doesn't do that in real life!?

 

[Makai]

Well if he was real, I would say that the raised eyebrows and eyes wide open could possibly cause his blink to fail.

Still TeamCG thou.

I don't have the gifs handy, but he does it several times in the interview in lieu of blinking.

 

[Meatvillain]

At the end he moves his top eyelids down partially instead of doing a full blink with both eyelids.


And then his neck shadow flips out lol.

Because while acting shocked his neck tenses up. It's like you people have no perspective on how humans behave while portraying emotion.

 

[zoukka]

So this isn't a big joke? Some people actually believe he was CG? Am I missing something here?

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

He moves his top eyelids down after being in shock.

I have to say, you being an animator and still being this insistent really makes me want to take you down.

Avatar Bet?

(separate from the one I have with Kyoufu)

 

[Meatvillain]

Everyone's having fun with it, but there are definitely legitimate believers, as crazy as that is.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

So this isn't a big joke? Some people actually believe he was CG? Am I missing something here?

They do. Sides have been taken and pills deployed.

 

[Persona86]

Because while acting shocked his neck tenses up. It's like you people have no perspective on how humans behave while portraying emotion.

Umm lol...look at his neck and cheek area again(on the bandage) on the right side.

 

[Makai]

So this isn't a big joke? Some people actually believe he was CG? Am I missing something here?

Yeah, legitimately there's two camps of equal size.
https://www.mentimeter.com/public/58e2a49fa361

Two sides, two players. One is real. One is CG.

 

[Garteal]

Not going to pick sides, but looks like it's a draw. (It's obvious he's real. )

 

[Kyoufu]

I love all the derogatory comments.

I'm sorry if anyone here is offended that some of us actually believe in the possibilities.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Yeah, legitimately there's two camps of equal size.
https://www.mentimeter.com/public/58e2a49fa361

Finally! Some sane people voted

 

[zoukka]

I have lost my faith in my fellow gamers...

 

[Phonomezer]

Hahaha, goddamn you team CG guys are incredible. He isn't "half blinking" he is opening his eyes wider in shock. Are you people really this stupid?

No, his eyebrows don't lower, his eyelids move down in a half blink™ independent to the rest of his upper face, which is impossible. Try to lower your eyelids halfway in such a pronounced manner without squinting.

Yeah, legitimately there's two camps of equal size.
https://www.mentimeter.com/public/58e2a49fa361

Two sides, two players. One is real. One is CG.

Lurkers are trolling.

 

[SniperHunter]

this is one of the best and most engaging marketing campaigns ever

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I have lost my faith in my fellow gaffers...

fixed.

 

[Meatvillain]

Umm lol...look at his neck and cheek again, on the right side.

Ahh, I see the one you're talking about. Okay, that is legit weird. I can understand using that to strengthen your argument, then. I wonder if it's some kind of weird compression artifacting.

 

[vio]

So this isn't a big joke? Some people actually believe he was CG? Am I missing something here?

You missed the half blink man..the half blink!!!

 

[ArtHands]

So this isn't a big joke? Some people actually believe he was CG? Am I missing something here?

Because it is looking like CG

 

[Persona86]

I love all the derogatory comments.

I'm sorry if anyone here is offended that some of us actually believe in the possibilities.

Team real is definitely more aggressive with their opinions lol. It just means they have to eat more crow if they are wrong.

 

[SniperHunter]

I am with team cg

 

[meta4]

MGS Ground Zeroes AKA a Big FU to marketing of conventional AAA games.

 

[Makai]

Dude, JFK was CG

 

[Persona86]

Ahh, I see the one you're talking about. Okay, that is legit weird. I can understand using that to strengthen your argument, then. I wonder if it's some kind of weird compression artifacting.

Yes compression, green screen artifact etc are all possibilities, but I'm leaning towards CG glitch.

Come to the CG side my friend....you will feel goooood.

 

[Hermii]

A lot of people into TeamREAL are missing some points. This is not a full person rendered into a dynamic scenario with moving cameras, other actors interaction and so on.

Video games is different than movies.

Movie makers don't need to spend time and money to create a near static cg face that looks real. They can pay a real person to do that.

Phantom pain may be a tech similar to Team Bondy's L.A.Noire tech. A lot of texture work over a low detailed mesh. Kojima tech will be a superior version of it. In the GT interview, maybe all the head is real, so the head contour is perfect because is real. Filming an actor talking in front of a mocap camera and put the performance over the model is not expensive if you have the tech ready for it. You don't need to work over the frames if your mesh is modeled automatically from the real head using 3d cameras.

The big lack in L.A.Noire tech is shaders in the skin and eyes. They don't have sss, specs, bumps, nothing. Only diffuse over a very low mesh. Those all aspects can be adressed now.

What was the budget for LA Noire again ?

 

[Sn4ke_911]

.

 

[Xun]

I have to say, you being an animator and still being this insistent really makes me want to take you down.

Avatar Bet?

(separate from the one I have with Kyoufu)

I'm not willing to take bets because I'm not entirely convinced.

I just see some oddities in some of his eye movements, and I do believe what we see in some shots is technically possible with the animation sides of things.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I love all the derogatory comments.

I'm sorry if anyone here is offended that some of us actually believe in the possibilities.

nothing wrong with keeping an open mind, but this is some Flying Spaghetti Monster level shit.

I'm not willing to take bets because I'm not entirely convinced.

I just see some oddities in some of his eye movements, and I do believe what we see in some shots is technically possible with the animation sides of things.

Some CG vs. No CG

pick a side

edit: Well I see you've removed all association with TeamCG from your avatar. At last we're making some progress!

 

[Makai]

Ahh, I see the one you're talking about. Okay, that is legit weird. I can understand using that to strengthen your argument, then. I wonder if it's some kind of weird compression artifacting.

It's in the original 720p video.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Team real is definitely more aggressive with their opinions lol. It just means they have to eat more crow if they are wrong.

Well it is a crazy theory. You can't expect people to not react in that way. And if it is cg it's so good you could forgive people for being tricked by it, otherwise this discussion wouldn't even be happening. So no, I don't agree that there will be more crow.

 

[TemplaerDude]

This is an accurate representation of this thread between TeamCG and TeamReal:

It has been YEARS since I've seen that gif.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I'm not willing to take bets because I'm not entirely convinced.

I just see some oddities in some of his eye movements, and I do believe what we see in some shots is technically possible with the animation sides of things.

Haha.

 

[Kyoufu]

I wonder what TeamReal thinks of Hatsune Miku Hologram concerts?

 

[MaLDo]

What was the budget for LA Noire again ?

The budget goes to create the tech, for create the assets, to pay the actors doing hundreds of recorded hours acting.

Konami have put a lot of money in fox engine and phantom pain tech, maybe they want present the results in a new way. I repeat, I don't think is expensive to record a mocap short session if you already have the tech.

As RICHO has hinted, a mocap camera appears in the "fake" video. After that, Kojima talk directly about render faces.

 

[Makai]

Haha.

LOL. Yeah, no hedging allowed here.

 

[Xun]

Haha.

Opinions change.

Anyway I don't mind being banned for a month in all honesty, I need to brush up on my portfolio anyway.

 

[Makai]

^Where is your #teamCG avatar?

Don't join the dark side!

 

[Sn4ke_911]

This game will rock our socks. Looks so damn good and that's not even final.

 

[Kaizer]

This is an accurate representation of this thread between TeamCG and TeamReal:

Wow, this GIF had me in tears!

 

[Persona86]

I wonder what TeamReal thinks of Hatsune Miku Hologram concerts?

Obviously she's a genetic/cloning experiment gone wrong.

 

[Dead Man]

I thought people were being tongue in cheek with their support for TeamCG, but people really believe a game engine from 2013 can render like that?

 

[Persona86]

Opinions change.

Anyway I don't mind being banned for a month in all honesty, I need to brush up on my portfolio anyway.

I can understand that lol, I managed to be a lot more productive when my internet stopped working for 2 weeks.

 

[Forkball]

I just noticed that his hair is sticking up a bit out of the bandages. Why would they go through the effort to model that or even make that a design choice? ANSWER ME THAT CGERS.

 

[Persona86]

I thought people were being tongue in cheek with their support for TeamCG, but people really believe a game engine from 2013 can render like that?

It's a possibility, technology is evolving, techniques are evolving, who knows what kind of research they have been doing, someone has to take it to the next step, and someone will, it's just a matter of who and when.

Also they are really just mostly rendering the mouth and eyes, it doesn't have to render environments etc that would take a lot more resources.