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Phil Spencer: Still have flagship games in development; "new IP critical"
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Nightengale
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So, in the past 2 weeks, MS...
- paid EA more money to exclusify another feature of PvZ :GW ( previously only Boss Mode)
- paid EA another stack of cash to officialise a Titanfall bundle
- greenlit Halo 3/4 ports, basically bringing practically the almost the entire numbered Halo over to XB1
And who knows what else.
- paid EA more money to exclusify another feature of PvZ :GW ( previously only Boss Mode)
- paid EA another stack of cash to officialise a Titanfall bundle
- greenlit Halo 3/4 ports, basically bringing practically the almost the entire numbered Halo over to XB1
And who knows what else.
Only if you don't understand exactly the type of customers Microsoft continues to lose at this stuff. Microsoft built two gens being the 'top tier' console that got the best multiplatform products, that drew in hardcore gamers partially off the appeal of those types of advantages.
The stuff like resolutiongate and the Tomb Raider story continue to feed the narrative that Microsoft seriously undercooked the console, and is providing a negative value to that very base. That very same base who is less likely to be impressed that they're being charged $100 more for the "benefit" of Kinect.
And without those hardcore gamers, it's an uphill battle for Microsoft to maintain the status they had during the 360 gen
Well then you leak slow. Gears one week, Halo the next, a bundle the next, etc. You don't blow everything in one shot if you're trying to control messaging for an extended period of time, throughout an entire month up and thru NPD numbers being released (which is a few weeks off btw) At least I wouldnt.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Bought Gears of War IP. Canceled Black Tusk's title so they can work on Gears.
Don't deny your true feelings. Accept your fate, indulge in the excess~
funny how DF article actually just came out today and would have been the story if it wasn't for this leak.
Basileus777
Member
Scandal is still the wrong word. It's just another bullet point in a story that we've been hearing for months.
well im almost 99% sure im buying that titanfall xbox
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I find some of that hard to believe with titanfall right around the block.. one of if not the most highly anticipated game of the year.
Let's be fair though. Would you do a lot of the things Microsoft has done strategically with XBO?
Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Which is why they decided to return to the idea of the Titanfall SKU! They think that's their ace!
Nightengale
Member
Maybe, but at this point, it's less likely to be bullshit.
Officerrob
Banned
Didn't take MS long to turn desperate, Nintendo could learn a thing or two
this shit was happening all gen for the x360 and ps3 with the ps3 with the worse versions, Ps3 sales did fine in the end. Why? Games and price drops.
i don't see why his source would suddenly lie to him. but i guess we shall see.
TetraGenesis
Member
Me neither, but go back into that locked thread and look how people reacted. One tacky Titanfall console and suddenly everybody's gotta have an XB1.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Where you already going to buy a Xbox One when TF launched? If so, then does it really matter? Honestly do not understand how a paint job would change your view of the console.
Nightengale
Member
I personally feel that the Gears talk have been going on for longer than that, so I don't want to chalk that as a reactionary measure. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Spencer out-of-nowhere decided to increase the purchase price... cause you know, "seal this deal. now."
I might believe that Shangheist was cancelled in the past 2 weeks so that they start work on Gears immediately though.
I'd agree, with my only thought being that maybe MS thinks they can get some small Jan/Feb boost if this info gets widespread and people start getting on an Xbone hype bandwagon. But even then, that's admittedly a weak theory.
Otherwise, I can only see it as an attempt to build some general good will and excitement toward the brand in general, and I'm really not sure what that's accomplishing at the moment.
probably.
lastflowers
Banned
well.....http://amir0x.ytmnd.com/
(I actually agree with the core of what he posted there, but I love that rendition of it...it's funny)
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What are we sure a titanfall sku was never planned? Shouldnt the controller had gave all sort of hints?Let's be fair though. Would you do a lot of the things Microsoft has done strategically with XBO?
Which is why they decided to return to the idea of the Titanfall SKU! They think that's their ace!
Potentially controlled leak, huh. I guess Fall/Holiday 2014 is filled with Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2, Quantum Break and Halo 2 Anniversary. That's a good slate going into the holidays.
Could the NPDs for Jan be really that bad? I guess I could see XB1 falling post launch with PS4 still having pent up demand and selling tons but I'm not sure that as a company strategy of leaking this stuff on a message board is the best way to get people excited...
Could the NPDs for Jan be really that bad? I guess I could see XB1 falling post launch with PS4 still having pent up demand and selling tons but I'm not sure that as a company strategy of leaking this stuff on a message board is the best way to get people excited...
dragonbane
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Just read it myself. Honestly I think his sources probably got the same info as our leaker. He was on vacation till today, so he couldn't catch up in time. Mort himself is no insider, but he really has good sources. Not unlikely MS opened the floodgates for a bit. I give Mort the benefit of the doubt on this one, even if he is coming in later.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I personally feel that the Gears talk have been going on for longer than that, so I don't want to chalk that as a reactionary measure. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Spencer out-of-nowhere decided to increase the purchase price... cause you know, "seal this deal. now."
I might believe that Shangheist was cancelled in the past 2 weeks so that they start work on Gears immediately though.
Spencer confirmed that Gears production started on January 20th, IIRC.
Apparently it was a mock up they were floating around and shelved. They returned to the idea apparently after they started seeing rumblings about how bad their numbers look for January. I am not the source of this stuff, I'm just repeating what is being said, and trying to piece it into a coherent theory.
The theory that makes the most sense with all the divergent info we have is that this is controlled leak and the reason it's happening now is in response to many negative developments regarding the platform and potentially the NPD numbers for January. We'll have to wait to see if that's borne out or not, since I am not the source. But a leak of this magnitude does not happen randomly and out of the blue. Something made this happen.
Neutralfanboy
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The only thing hurting Microsoft is the price. It being less powerful then the PS4 has minimal effect on the majority of people in my opinion. If a gamer isn't interested in Tomb Raider then they'll likely never hear of the FPS differences between the platforms.
Let's be fair though. Would you do a lot of the things Microsoft has done strategically with XBO?
Exactly what I've been saying all along. If this were a controlled leak, it's the stupidest execution ever. It will just end up being yet another scandal that paints them in even more negative light. Any victory from this will be short lived.
No idea what to think of it all.
Nightengale
Member
There's like 10 or so special edition controllers/headsets for every one special bundle.
It's not like mort to explicit deny a bundle's existence. ( he flat out said nope ) I may be talking out my ass here, but he sounded like as of 2 weeks ago, there was literally no plans for it.
Dragonborn
Member
Maybe it's not just NPD but WW sales that are bad. I could see the X1 dropping like a stone everywhere outside the US
Super Stardust
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Basileus777
Member
Where are you getting this from?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Quick version?
The la-le-lu-le-lo set up CBOAT and the la-le-lu-le-lo set up their own insider in Gaf to do a controlled leak for one reason or another.
I like how dude threw in "gitter dun" at the end
Agree, really not sure what the intention is either. The announcements of a Titanfall XBO console, a future white model with a bigger HDD, etc., may sway people to wait even longer before purchasing to cover up for poor NPD sales and bad press. As you say, maybe it's to generate good will by being more transparent and closer to its consumers in this now fast lived internet world, where everything is more open now but who knows.
mortimer posted it, that it's no coincidence these things are happening now. He said it's a combo of the bad week of news and upcoming seriously bad Jan NPD numbers that made the leaks happen the way they did.
I trust mortimer, so I trust his perspective on this.
Basileus777
Member
Not the January NPD stuff, the scrapped Titanfall bundle. Is this just your speculation? You're phrasing it like it's more than that.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Well... Microsoft hasn't announced the Xbox One hitting 4 million yet, or any milestone. Thing was at 3.1 million back in December.
Xbox One probably died hard in January's NPD. Probabaly only sold 100,000 at best.
Xbox One probably died hard in January's NPD. Probabaly only sold 100,000 at best.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Well, it is both actually. It would be one thing if the One was slightly less powerful and the same price, but the fact that it is less powerful and more expensive really hurts. They still have not sold Kinect, nor have the really attempted to do so. As a gamer it is really important to me to have Nintendo/MS/Sony in the game, more competition is only better for us.
Remastering Halo does not sell a system for me, nor does Forza Horizon 2. I want new IP's and SKU without the Kinect or a justification for forcing me to purchase it.
Nightengale
Member
It would be lulzworthy if this 'leak' actually ends up damaging sales further because of "wait for white/cheaper SKU!"
MS has reacted to stuff poorly before.
MS has reacted to stuff poorly before.
That's his thoughts but not necessarily the reason. Mortimer has always been vocal on his opinions.
no it's not my speculation.
GillyH said:
You'll have to ask him whether it's his opinion or whether he heard this is the case, I can't say. All I can say is it does make sense to me given my experience here and the magnitude of these leaks, and the timing.
Zombie James
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I don't think I understand the logic of leaking things so far in advance. Crackdown 3 sounds cool, but 2016 is a long ways off. If this really has to do with Jabnuary sales and bad press because of multiplatform gaps, this type of leak really isn't going to change anything.
Not if they drop another megaton stating
"Due to all the positive results, we are happy to announce that the xbox one would come out this March in an all white colorway"
or something along this line.. the sales would be staggering