AlexFlame116
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Yo get this out of here. Lillie was such a huge surprise for me. Love her and Hau.
Also, bring on more story. Bring on more cutscenes. Bring it all on.
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Pokemon Ultra Moon and Ultra Sun for Nintendo 3DS
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Also, bring on more story. Bring on more cutscenes. Bring it all on.
Yeah Lillie was legit pretty great
Sun and Moon are the first games in the series where I pretty much loved the whole cast. Lillie, Gladion, Hau, Kukui, and all the villains were great. Trial Captains and Kahunas were fun too. Especially Nanu. Who can dislike that guy?
X and Y are ultra shit.
I was just wondering what left field thing he knows would make people who didn't like alola or its pokemon hype
Finale Fireworker
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I have a hard time playing older Pokemon games. It's entirely psychological and strictly to my own detriment, but I've never been able to overcome it.
Pokemon is extremely iterative. Types change, stats change, move sets change, mechanics change, and all these changes accumulate into pretty significant differences. Major alterations to the formula like the physical/special split, or the rebalancing of the type chart, fundamentally alter how different Pokemon function. To me, Pokemon themselves feel almost like software that are continually being updated to create a superior user experience. Playing older versions of Pokemon doesn't just feel outdated to me, it feels incorrect.
I'm playing Red right now because I want a Zapdos in SuMo and I'm having a really difficult time. Not because the tech is dated - that doesn't bother me at all. It's because Gust is a Normal type move instead of Flying. It's because Poison Pokemon are weak to Bug instead of resisting it. There are no held items. No abilities. No Steel, Dark, or Fairy Pokemon. Things are so different that I have to play the game by its original rules and it feels lacking to me. It feels incorrect.
I'll stress again that this is 100% a personal problem. I'm not trying to say there is anything wrong with older Pokemon games. My curse is that any Pokemon that I miss when it's new becomes a game I'll never play. Even now, as much as I love SuMo, I know I will never touch it again as soon as Generation VIII comes out.
I wish I could play Black and White/2. But I just can't. It feels bad to play.
lvl99 Pixel
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Im not sure what happened in November but I can understand finding simple things effective. I just actually didn't remember much about the game other than the Aether stuff.
I don't understand why this wasn't DLC, the name doesn't really differentiate it much and it looks the same. I didn't play too much of Sun/Moon but this to me, doesn't look much different.
I think they are going to struggle to resell the same game with a new story/enhancements to those who only bought the game last year, rather than offer a $20 DLC option.
Just my thought, weird approach.
I think they are going to struggle to resell the same game with a new story/enhancements to those who only bought the game last year, rather than offer a $20 DLC option.
Just my thought, weird approach.
Exterminieren
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I mean, it's not like selling an old game with minor content additions is a new strategy for Game Freak.
Finale Fireworker
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Well, Game Freak always does this. They've been doing this for 25 years. This is how Pokemon games work. Lots of people, like me, specifically look forward to the deluxe version of Pokemon games.
To their credit, games like Emerald and Platinum make massive and mandatory revisions to the base games. They become the definitive experience. Diamond and Pearl, in particular, feel like a rough draft compared to Platinum's final form.
We have no idea how extensive the differences will be in Ultra SuMo. We have seen less than a minute worth of footage and its been very restrictive. But I expect Ultra SuMo will be the definitive versions of these games as well.
Whether or not Game Freak should switch to the DLC model is a point of contention. But the changes made to "third versions" are significant enough to necessitate a replay. If you simply downloaded the new content, you wouldn't be able to experience most of it without restarting your game. Since Pokemon is a series that's sort of based on your games communicating with each other, players like to preserve their previous campaigns so they can migrate its content to new ones.
I know, in my case, I would rather a completely new game. I feel like the changes would be far more moderate in the DLC model. I think anybody who says "this should have just been DLC" probably isn't familiar with how different these revisions end up.
The Broken Ska Record
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I get what you're saying. I think Gen I/II are easier to get into, for me, because nostalgia pulls me through it--a simpler time, as it were. Since it's in the DS age, I feel like visually it would be harder to get into. Especially with several QOL additions in the 3DS games.
I agree though, once Gen VIII comes out, I will undoubtedly never touch Sun/Moon again. Unless, for some reason, I can actually get a full Pokédex in one of the games.
Yea, DLC is usually just a excuse for more cashgrabs, new iterations of the games are significantly more conten, and in pokemons case, it's not even the same team that work on the first and the second iteration of the same game, since they have 2 teams for the games, alterating the releases.
I think it holds up well, but I am biased as 5th gen is my favorite.
Finale Fireworker
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I just saw this idea on Reddit.
The Dex entry for Pikachu in Sun states "A plan was recently announced to gather many Pikachu and make an electric power plant."
In the base games, the power plant is an area that looks like it would/should be accessible, but is not. You can go to the visitor's center, but there's no way into the area. This is the kind of thing I would expect to be expanded upon in a deluxe edition of the game.
In the trailer for USM, we see a large field of Pikachu just hanging out and being Pikachu. I wonder if it's related to the power plant plans? Maybe we'll actually get to go there in USM.
The Dex entry for Pikachu in Sun states "A plan was recently announced to gather many Pikachu and make an electric power plant."
In the base games, the power plant is an area that looks like it would/should be accessible, but is not. You can go to the visitor's center, but there's no way into the area. This is the kind of thing I would expect to be expanded upon in a deluxe edition of the game.
In the trailer for USM, we see a large field of Pikachu just hanging out and being Pikachu. I wonder if it's related to the power plant plans? Maybe we'll actually get to go there in USM.
There are a lot of cool looking locations that you see on the map that end up not being able to go to or are just in the background. Like the golf course or those cool waterfall looking things near the water trial.
Finale Fireworker
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This one is especially interesting. You get to the Elite 4 and there's a Flying trainer you've never met before. She's a brand new character and she's introduced just for her fight, which is different from Sun and Moon as a whole. I wonder if she will have a story, related to the golf course area, in USM. She has a golf club and everything.
You can find her in the resort next to the golf course after you become the champion. She says that's where she practices but yeah they don't let you in.
Have you ever played pokemon before? Do you think Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, and B2W2 should have been DLC?
This is absolutely nothing new though, not to mention we literally know little to nothing about what said new story/enhancements even are.
To be fair, splatoon did put up alot of free dlc, then stopped very randomly supporting the game, just to make the content for splatoon "2", seems to be the exact same engine, just new weapons and maps(which is the things that the free dlc content was).
……forgetit
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Well it also has new weapon types, customization options, a new story mode and a new Coop mode.....soooo
Phillips455
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The real thing that is disappointing me is this is basically a return to the classic third version if the game.
Yellow, Crystal, Emerald and platinum were all alternative sorry versions of the original versions, yet this is split into 2.
Black and white 2 gets away with it as they are squels that continue on the story of the previous games.
Im pissed off because the fact it's basically what stars would have Bern but split over 2 games.
Yellow, Crystal, Emerald and platinum were all alternative sorry versions of the original versions, yet this is split into 2.
Black and white 2 gets away with it as they are squels that continue on the story of the previous games.
Im pissed off because the fact it's basically what stars would have Bern but split over 2 games.
It literally managed to be worse than the worst-case scenario for me lol, which was it being a 3DS exclusive game that's a sequel to S/M, but instead a third version/alternate story that got split into two separate games. D:
I don't doubt it, it's just that Sun & Moon was the first time I've ever wanted to see where the story would go from there, namely regarding Lillie, so I'm just disappointed that I'll have to wait even longer to maybe see how, if at all, that gets wrapped up.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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I'll be skipping this one because I'm not buying a 3ds again I'll just watch it on YouTube
Yeah it is a little disappointing that it's not a sequel, but I guess B&W was just an outlier.
Yoshimitsu126
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New thread new info?
Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon, and Pokken Tournament DX are ready for pre-order for Amazon with 20% discount for Amazon prime.
https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/872476534040391680
Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon, and Pokken Tournament DX are ready for pre-order for Amazon with 20% discount for Amazon prime.
https://twitter.com/NinEverything/status/872476534040391680
that's not really new info lol.
Okami Haundo
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Really curious to see if those walking animations for different Pokemon find their way into this version.
With what resources?
And considering G/S are coming to the Virtual Console, a focus on Gen II with new Johto Pokémon Alolan Forms is a concrete possibility, I'd really appreciate that
Well, if 4chans good for something it's for potential leaks -
The title has the abbreviation for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, stating they'll be 3DS exclusive, with a suspicious line telling nobody to screen cap.
Obviously take with a grain of salt.
New Alolan forms would be brill, so hoping it's real.
A post made back in March.
The title has the abbreviation for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, stating they'll be 3DS exclusive, with a suspicious line telling nobody to screen cap.
Obviously take with a grain of salt.
New Alolan forms would be brill, so hoping it's real.
I'm wondering how it's gonna work storywise. Usually an alternate story is reserved for the third version, which ties the stories of the first two versions together, adding importance to the third legendary which wasn't really feautered in the first two games. I'm expecting the latter to occur with Necrozma in USUM, but I wonder what'll replace the tying of versions together? Or will that perhaps not be much of an issue?
HawthorneKitty
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Why would you even want to do that?
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