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PR: COLECO to release Chameleon, console that focuses on new cartridge games
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superNESjoe
Member
I missed this thread.
CartridgeBlower
Member
Mike Williams seems like a shady dude after all of this, but damn the CU podcast is such a black or white podcast. There is no subtlety with Ian and Pat, it's almost hard to listen to. So much name calling, yikes.
EDIT: Mike Kennedy, I mean.
EDIT: Mike Kennedy, I mean.
NeOak
Member
Who's Mike Williams?
coughlanio
Member
Yeah, a lot of vitriol for something, that yeah is shitty, but it's not like he molested someone. I'd imagine Mike is pretty hard up for cash after everything, so I wouldn't blame him for doing it, even if it was a shitty thing to do to a friend.
Typo for Mike Kennedy, because Kennedy and Williams are both common names, I guess?
NoFaceNico
Member
Mike Williams is a mod here and writer for USgamer. I met him, he's awesome.
I'm sure he meant Mike Kennedy.
While this thread was dead a few months ago I made a short silent film retelling the Retro VGS story. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/jIOpto-v5dk
I'm sure he meant Mike Kennedy.
While this thread was dead a few months ago I made a short silent film retelling the Retro VGS story. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/jIOpto-v5dk
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
You wouldn't blame him for selling stuff that wasn't his? Why wouldn't you?
NeOak
Member
They call that stealing
was about to post exactly this
CartridgeBlower
Member
Yeah I meant Kennedy, not Mike Williams from USgamer who I probably just read a post by since he's always popping up on neogaf. My mistake.
Those Coleco tabletop games mini arcade things prices widely fluctuate if it has original parts or been repaired, we're talking at least hundred of dollars. To sell the tapletop games as originals without mentioning any repairs is at least unethical and probably fraud.
Risible
Member
I don't feel they were too harsh at all. The dude is an obvious scammer and should be called out. They aren't calling for violence, they're just calling him the shitbag he is.
Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.
Cynn
Member
Finally got my pre-order console. It plays all of my SNES games!
https://imgur.com/gallery/lE4O1
(That's me with the Toyfare / totally not an SNES CC prototype. It was on display at the Southern Fried Gaming Expo last weekend by a burned parter of the project.)
https://imgur.com/gallery/lE4O1
(That's me with the Toyfare / totally not an SNES CC prototype. It was on display at the Southern Fried Gaming Expo last weekend by a burned parter of the project.)
This is something I would expect from a 6th grade shit friend, not a grown up adult.
Damn, so this is the thing that was displayed by Mike Kennedy? this belongs in a museum man.
The people who do this stuff tend to have psychological issues. I think a medical professional would find he is a narcissistic, pathological liar whose lying and stealing are impulse driven and out of control.
I don't know what else can explain someone who continues to behave this way after getting exposed so frequently and so thoroughly, after everything that has happened. He gets caught with chocolate on his face and both hands in the cookie jar and, knowing that no one believes him for a second, he still tries to weasel his way out of these ridiculous situations he created with even worse lies. A normal, sane person would have stopped after getting caught and cleaned up their act already.
Note that I'm not excusing Mike's behavior as some uncontrollable mental illness. He's still entirely at fault. I just think he has serious issues and should get help, or at least fuck off forever and stop screwing over the retro gaming community.
I don't know what else can explain someone who continues to behave this way after getting exposed so frequently and so thoroughly, after everything that has happened. He gets caught with chocolate on his face and both hands in the cookie jar and, knowing that no one believes him for a second, he still tries to weasel his way out of these ridiculous situations he created with even worse lies. A normal, sane person would have stopped after getting caught and cleaned up their act already.
Note that I'm not excusing Mike's behavior as some uncontrollable mental illness. He's still entirely at fault. I just think he has serious issues and should get help, or at least fuck off forever and stop screwing over the retro gaming community.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Stealing is fine as long as you can say you wanted it really badly.
Wait really? Can we see a pic or two of the shrine??? That kind of stuff fascinates me
EDIT - I understand the bleeding part was a joke i just want to see the shrine.
Quality isn't stellar but here.
Translation of the little sign next to it:
I have now done more for Coleco than Mike.
Hey, something else interesting from this thread.Quality isn't stellar but here.
Translation of the little sign next to it:
I have now done more for Coleco than Mike.
That's pretty cool, thanks for posting.
Mike would raid that display, sell the stuff inside without telling anyone where it came from and pocket all the money. He would spin a convoluted tale about how you offered him a tour and gave him the impression he could take any "old stuff lying around."
If you cleared it up that nothing of the sort was said or implied, he would remind us that you didn't explicitly say he couldn't take it and therefore it's your fault and Carlsen's and a dozen other people for not saying so! And as a bonus, he would emphasize he was saving those items from being "stuck" on a dusty old shelf and selling it was entirely for the benefit of the retro gaming community. He was deceitful and stealing for all of us.
If you cleared it up that nothing of the sort was said or implied, he would remind us that you didn't explicitly say he couldn't take it and therefore it's your fault and Carlsen's and a dozen other people for not saying so! And as a bonus, he would emphasize he was saving those items from being "stuck" on a dusty old shelf and selling it was entirely for the benefit of the retro gaming community. He was deceitful and stealing for all of us.
spookyfish
Member
Quality isn't stellar but here.
Translation of the little sign next to it:
I have now done more for Coleco than Mike.
That's awesome! Thanks for posting.
Well, I think he pinned the whole Chameleon fiasco on "I was scammed by a mystery scammer." Not really provable or disprovable, and it doesn't excuse everything about the fiasco, but maybe, just maybe, he was a victim, not a crazy person.
And maybe, just maybe, he got those units confused as part of his collection (I know I've occasionally looked at a DVD on my shelf, stopped, and asked "Wait. Is this mine? Did I buy this? I seem to have a vague recollection of Bob lending it to me. Hey Bob, did you lend this to me?" Bob: "Yes goddamnit. Took your sweet time. I've been waiting years for you to give that back. Did you even watch it? You didn't watch it, did you? Asshole.").
If Mike needed money (supporting the theory that he was a victim of the Chameleon, not the mastermind), he could have sold those units as an honest mistake. He offered to give the money to Willie, he's just not willing/able to "undo" his fuck-up by turning around an eBay ship that sailed months ago.
Maybe. Or he's just a scammer and a liar and a crazy person.
It's completely the latter. He's been caught 100% outright lying too many times and not once fessed up and apologized like an adult. A lot of the stories that came out from behind the scenes were people relaying conversations about how Mike stole money in the past or wanted someone to lie to make his nonexistent hardware more enticing for potential backers.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, new info's always nice but i could do without Pat & co
haha, damn...also really cool, thanks for posting that!
I don't know what's more disturbing: That someone setup a "Buy Willie a Sandwich" campaign on Gofundme, or that Mike contributed $60....
Or that about 4 years ago, Mike Kennedy was generally an even keel, decent member of the retro community...
Did GameGavel finally destroy his ethical compass?
Was it Retro Magazine?
Was it the grinder of trying to be an idea man on projects above his capacity?
What the flying funk flips someone like that?!
Or that about 4 years ago, Mike Kennedy was generally an even keel, decent member of the retro community...
Did GameGavel finally destroy his ethical compass?
Was it Retro Magazine?
Was it the grinder of trying to be an idea man on projects above his capacity?
What the flying funk flips someone like that?!
Cynn
Member
Yep it was the actual one! They're showing it as the unicorn of lies that it is. lol
NeOak
Member
Wow, fuck Youtube's new sharing system.
NeOak
Member
:O
panda-zebra
Banned
He's still not shipped the full set of mags from the last round - some people never saw a single copy. It's clearly yet more peter-to-pay-paul antics from MK and they have every right to point this out.
Vita TV says hi
from the grave 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe3D_1q9mOg
Mike Kennedy trying to restart RETRO magazine with a paetron model.
Mike Kennedy trying to restart RETRO magazine with a paetron model.
lol. I remember this. So funny.
Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?
Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
Bart: No.
Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?
Bart: Uh uh.
Tony: And, what if your family don't like bread? They like... cigarettes?
Bart: I guess that's okay.
Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
Bart: Hell, no.
dickroach
Member
lol I actually just checked in on atariage a few days ago just to see if there was anything new with this whole fiasco out of nowhere and the Coleco Chameleon thread was still at the top of Modern Gaming
this guy seems blissfully unaware that he CRUSHED his own reputation. looking for almost 10Gs. o no
this guy seems blissfully unaware that he CRUSHED his own reputation. looking for almost 10Gs. o no
everthustodeadbeats
Member
Spent way too much time playing Venture, Zaxxon and Mr. Do. War Games was fun too. Fun console. Damn it!
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Retro has been a good mag, I've enjoyed every issue.
Maybe the guy can just do what he's good at? Everybody makes mistakes.
s_mirage
Member
He didn't just make mistakes though, he repeatedly lied and tried to deceive people over the Chameleon. Not only that, it's widely regarded that Retro was mismanaged too. Even if we believe his story that he was duped, that only serves to make him appear incompetent rather than a fraud, and still not someone who people should be giving money to.
A continued pattern of behavior is not "mistakes". Even if he has put together one good product, he's burned a ton of people with many others. I'll personally never give the guy a penny.
dickroach
Member
I bought a few digital issues years ago and enjoyed em, but still, he blew it.
Petrae
Member
The RETRO Magazine brand is forever toxic, primarily because of Kennedy's involvement.
People do make mistakes, but Kennedy represents more than mistakes being made. His decision-making has been poor at best, and it has been a trend-- even with RETRO's administration, if we somehow put aside the disasterbacle that was the Chameleon.