Lion Heart
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You here this 10:1 about the PS4 than the other two. The difference is the fanbase can let shit slide.
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PS4/3 sales generate more revenue than XB1/360/Wii & Wii U combined
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You here this 10:1 about the PS4 than the other two. The difference is the fanbase can let shit slide.
Koei Tecmo just released a new PSP game last month haha! But yeh, PSP is pretty much dead worldwide now in terms of new releases or userbase support.
They have cratered very hard though, whilst consoles like the PS1 and PS2 went on to sell 30m-45m additional consoles after the launch of their successors the PS3/360 will struggle to even sell an additional 10 million units each after PS4/One launch.
I expect both consoles to reach 90 million in the first quarter of 2016 (basically after holiday 2015) and then pretty much hang around that 90m number until they are discontinued. 100 million is very much out of reach at this point.
I would agree that Nintendo have great worldwide appeal, especially in Japan, North America and Western Europe. However the PlayStation brand is also strong in all these territories as well as EMEA, Asia and RoTW.
Did you originally mean different from 2013? Because everything you listed has stayed the exact same since 2014.
Bits N Pieces
Member
How much profit do each of the 3 make?
Very true, whenever there's a discussion about PS4, particularly it's sales, people always say no games, whether it's subtle or not. Nothing happens.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
It would have been nice to see a PSP-4000 with the same pretty IPS LED-Backlit LCD screen that the PS Vita 2000 has.
I mean, that screen is so nice!!!
The market at large does, especially outside of the US and UK. The gap is only increasing so they've actually failed to make it more attractive to buy despite all their efforts and price cuts.
Any chance Sony will refresh the PS3 at this point? Or is the latest Super Slim model likely to be the final revision?
1st Course
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Thanks. Surprised the console hardware sales make up for such a large proportion of their overall sales, for some reason I've thought the hardware/software ratio was closer to 50/50
Canis lupus
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Sony essentially saved gaming this gen, they kept the enthusiasm and fever for new consoles at a maximum ever since the PS4 reveal, imagine a 3rd bombing/lukewarm received console. Traditional gaming as we know it would've collapsed. The huge software droughts the last 2 years make me question whether most publishers were slowly abandoning consoles, especially with the advent of mobile gaming, but then saw the massive sales and scrambled to up port some last gen games in the meantime. 2013/2014 was a turning point whether to continue with this console business or not, lots of games were greenlit then, and it shows. Games with ~3-4 year dev time are finally coming out in droves.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Then you haven't actually caught up
Be that as it may I'd rather continue my PC nostalgia trip.
The Last Wizard
Member
Why we talking about sales in a sales thread?
I have noticed this also.
SolidSnakex
Member
Is the Wiki sales for Nintendo consoles incorrect? Because for the NES and SNES they list 8m units for both consoles in "Other", which would be everywhere aside from Japan and the US. And it lists the N64 at 6m and GC at 4m. If those are correct then Nintendo as a console brand isn't strong in Europe.
Is the Nintendo home console style of software all that popular outside of JPN? Does the that particular artstyle and presentation appeal in 2015? -
This is an interesting topic that probably cannot be discussed here if for no other reason then there is most likely no publicly available data; and without that: console wars.
Not at all. At least I don't see it happening.
Sony aren't able to reduce the cost any further, and even if they are it will take significant investment with little reward.
They will continue to sell hardware of PlayStation 3 until it makes sense to discontinue it which I believe will be next year.
Nintendo isn't a worldwide brand? So people just forgot what Nintendo was because PS4 is doing well?
makingmusic476
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Attributing the ps3's late cycle longevity to Move seems odd to me.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Return of the king.
Fully deserved for Sony. They did everything right with the PS4 from the beginning and are only continuing that road as we've seen the past E3.
Fully deserved for Sony. They did everything right with the PS4 from the beginning and are only continuing that road as we've seen the past E3.
If we're talking home consoles, the United States is where Nintendo thrives. Their handhelds on the other hand do well pretty much everywhere.
Fair enough.
Is that because cell being too esoteric and not worth the cost of die shrinking? I think they are still on 40nm to the RSX and Cell, the main cost cutting measures to the super slim being the external casing.
I think even Xbox 360 E model is also on 40nm still.
It seems that architecture was a dead end regardless for shrinking. The cost of going big expensive and hot early on?
NES
34.00m - North America
19.35m -Japan
8.56m - Other
SNES
23.35m - North America
17.17m - Japan
8.58m - Other
N64
20.63m - North America
5.54m - Japan
6.75m - Other
Gamecube
12.94m - North America
4.04m - Japan
4.77m - Other
Wii
48.64m - North America
12.75m - Japan
40.16m - Other
Wii U
4.85m - North America
2.48m - Japan
2.68m - Other
LTD
Holy shit I never knew the SNES did that well in Japan.
I understand the comparison here. Does this deal specifically with profit margins or just sales though? Serious question, because sales and profits are two very different things. I can sell 20 million of something, but if I lost money per sale, it's not really helping out without games offsetting it.
That being said, Nintendo is a bit of an interesting comparison. Wii and Wii U sales are dead in comparison. We've known this for awhile. The thread title is a bit of mislead as it's basically "since 2012, Sony sells more) - which we could already figure. Wii sales fell after 2010, 360 had a lead but the PS3's final years had a big push, and Sony is winning the current generation.
However, if we're looking at relative health of the company, should we literally ignore the 3DS and Vita? I understand, this is a game console arms race thread, but Nintendo is a bit of an outlier where their best business has almost always been handheld.
That being said, Nintendo is a bit of an interesting comparison. Wii and Wii U sales are dead in comparison. We've known this for awhile. The thread title is a bit of mislead as it's basically "since 2012, Sony sells more) - which we could already figure. Wii sales fell after 2010, 360 had a lead but the PS3's final years had a big push, and Sony is winning the current generation.
However, if we're looking at relative health of the company, should we literally ignore the 3DS and Vita? I understand, this is a game console arms race thread, but Nintendo is a bit of an outlier where their best business has almost always been handheld.
Hope the below answers your question -
It's basically to see how much money is being spent on consoles and to which brands that spend is going to. This thread only covers home console sales and does not discuss the state of the handheld industry which is declining rapidly.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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that drop off, what are PS in comparison just for japan?
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Good thing we gamers who like to game on consoles are getting very well taking care of from Sony with the PS4.
Well, I reject the premise, but you've added the word "exclusive" there for absolutely no reason. There's a ton of compelling software on the PS4. The best selling games are not exclusive and non-exclusive games are what are driving hardware sales. This has been true for at least five years.
We're 2 years from the Xbox One reveal, and almost a year with the Xbox One being cheaper than the PS4. The mass market is not that attuned to press conferences and they certainly don't care about two year old news. The Xbox One remains very competitive in North America, indicating that nobody gives a shit about the press conference from two years ago. The reality is just that no one outside of two markets cares much about Xbox as a brand. That's not to say the console can't have great software and good sales overall.
Who said anything about exclusives? It was always going to be Fifa, CoD, Ass Creed and the rest that sold consoles, which Sony knew and was exactly what happened. They built the 'Best 3rd party box' and won a flawless victory. A victory the 360 won for the exact same reason over the PS3 until PS3 exclusives started differentiating the system and MS started messing up the messaging with Kinect.
Nintendo did anything but build the simplest, most powerful machine. They did the exact opposite, one of many reasons they get no 3rd party support, and thus one of the main reasons they fail.
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PS1: 19.5 million
PS2: 21.8 million
PS3: 10.3 million (so far)
PS4: 1.7 million (so far)
19.60m - PlayStation
22.00m - PlayStation 2
10.30m - PlayStation 3
1.70m - PlayStation 4
what about 2008?
and wow, why was the ps4/3 so good(in 2014)???
i mean revenue is something different, but when i remember back then everyone got a wii, while these days i see a lot of xboys getting a ps4, but none of the "wii" people are hooked to the idea of an ps4. on the other hand, maybe those people were simply the new generation who are now 12-18 interested in "mature" videogames.
anyway, congratz to sony, for whatever they have done. i still dont see a reason why sony only should be the winner of this consolewar. there are plenty or remakes and multigames, i dont see a reason to favour a ps4 over a xbone.
and wow, why was the ps4/3 so good(in 2014)???
i mean revenue is something different, but when i remember back then everyone got a wii, while these days i see a lot of xboys getting a ps4, but none of the "wii" people are hooked to the idea of an ps4. on the other hand, maybe those people were simply the new generation who are now 12-18 interested in "mature" videogames.
anyway, congratz to sony, for whatever they have done. i still dont see a reason why sony only should be the winner of this consolewar. there are plenty or remakes and multigames, i dont see a reason to favour a ps4 over a xbone.
I see what you guys are saying, the mainstream helped perpetuate the console to the lead its currently holding.
So is it purely Fifa, Madden, Call of Duty, etc? Because if you look at Microsoft's output, it seems more mainstream oriented than Sony IE Masterchief collection, Halo 5, Gears of War, EA Vault, etc.
Well...except this guy
I wonder what a realistic endpoint is for the PS4 in Japan in light of how it is selling and what we know about the next two years' releases. My gut says 6M or so. Where was PS3 at the same point in its life?
Sure, I understand the handheld not being including, but between 2012 and 2014, the handheld sold something like 40 million units, outpacing everything else. Declining? Sure, but it's still a pretty big market (especially since one company basically owns it). I mean, outside of the Wii, Nintendo hasn't had a massive console presence since what, the SNES? I guess the N64 did sell really well in the US, but it had a big drop off everywhere else.
PS3 was at 2.1 million. (Higher price)
PS2 was 6.1 million (lower price)
PS1 was 2.7 million (lower price)
PlayStation 4 has currently sold through 1.7 million units after 19 months on the market in Japan.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
I actually appreciate the blatant fanboyism more so then the ones who try to hide it behind the im a true gamer I own all platforms BS. Everyone has there preferences and that's fine. Sure the poster has a one track mind when it comes to gaming regarding his favorite and least favorite console but he shouldn't be punished for it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
thanks
anyone living (or having lived) in japan have an idea why the market dropped off so rapidly?
I know about the strength of mobile and handheld when on commute and in school etc. but that can't be the only reason.
I also often hear lack of space which supposedly influenced the Wii U and Off TV play.
I don't know these reasons are just hard for me to grasp.
My only connection to japan are LNs and mangas and these issues rarely make it into them, the MCs are usually living in spacey houses or apartments have a TV and/or PC in their room and a (used to be PS3) PS4 mostly.
Bleedgreen007
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Ironic that you're saying this considering Sony's rather sparse fall/winter exclusive lineup
The PS3 at the same point of it's life is 2.05 million while the PS4 is at 1.7 million. Expect the PS4 to surpass it by January 2016. PS4 will sell 1.2+ million while PS3 only managed 980,000 in 2008.
By the way I know you wanted Zhuge's opinion not mine but I like Japan sales talk so I inserted myself in
lol.
its a minority who wants japanese games.
bigger titles like ff and kh will come to xbone too.
its simply the reputation of ms, why people still dont buy the system.
while the xbone and back then the 360 were way cheaper compared to the ps3/4 people still do prefer the playstation brand over the ms console. most people dont give a fuck about graphical prowess, these people are also a minority-.-
So 6M is reasonable if the PS4 sees a similar sales boost when bigger titles (that Japanese gamers care about) start dropping. If PS4 ends up getting the same extended lifespan that PS3 got, maybe it will get closer to the PS3 than that. Those PS3-PS4 cross gen releases will have to finally stop at some point.
Thanks. All opinions are welcome
It's understandable why we are still getting them, but I wonder how PS4 hardware sales would look if we didn't have so many cross gen titles. Metal Gear Solid V is a pretty big release, but how many people are going to decide that the PS3 version is good enough? Ditto for Persona 5 and the next Tales game.
This interview is one of the reasons why it's going more mobile.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-japans-game-industry-is-falling-behind-gamespo/1100-6429675/
As is this blogpost-
https://noplatform.wordpress.com/20...xplains-whats-happening-to-japans-gamesanime/
japan and south korea have the fastest internet connection on this planet. playing "online" or on the go was always a thing in those asian countries. its not just the home systems who are dropping, arcades are taking a blow too. its too much of an hassle to go to an arcade or to actually sit down at home in front of the tv, if you can have videogameexperience wherever you are. every major dev has some ports for iOS/android, so there are only the hardcores who are still attached to the dedicated systems...
I agree with this. I mean Sony released 1 major game that they could have held for PS4 only...TLoU. They had quite a few big games that launched on PS3 the same year the PS4 launched.
I dont know if Nintendo killed support too early or overall support and interest just dropped off a cliff. But looking at how the 360 and PS3 are still selling there's no telling when they will get discontinued. And how they sold after the Wii U launched. I remember when some thought the PS3 and 360 would never catch up to the Wii. Even if they both never hit 100 million...them both hitting 90 million+ would be an accomplishment.
But with the Vita...it is still getting games released for it at a decent clip. Thats why I say I dont know if its was Nintendo support, support overall or interest with the Wii.
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