If you've come to that conclusion, you should re-read what I quoted from the article.
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Quantum Break PC is a mess (non-native render, badly optimized, overpriced, etc)
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If you've come to that conclusion, you should re-read what I quoted from the article.
Ricerocket
Member
But you just said DX12 patch for Tomb Raider works great? I don't know why you said works great when the steam forum during that patch was full of crashing reports and barely any changes or worst fps.
Okay perhaps i should correct that...works just as good as the win32 version from steam in dx12 mode
Luckydog
Member
Take that shit sandwich bull somewhere else. He bought the Xbox one version and is complaining about the PC version. Thats BS. If he bought the PC version, then by all means complain, it sucks.
I am not advocating accepting bullshit. I'm saying if you want the PC version then BUY THE PC VERSION.
Plenty of reasons to complain about Microsoft. He doesnt need to make a reason.
CosmicQueso
Member
I'm out. Enjoy your weekends, everyone.
Fine
Store is garbage right now..no arguments...not directly linked to uwp file type...just delivery...I don't see any info backing up the "sevel of the issues encountered here are a direct result of UWP's lack of features and quality"
Like i said uwp blocks tools to fix developers problems
Once again uwp prevents users from fixing...doesn't cause the problems to begin with. The overwrite of data has nothing to do with uwp...has to do with xbox live...would have happend on win32 also
Once again...i don't disagree with the game's pc port being a shit sandwich....uwp should not be the focus and is a waste of time...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Would that now make it a shitdog?
Not feeling so well. Especially if Chicago style with all the fixins'.
Not feeling so well. Especially if Chicago style with all the fixins'.
Bacon wrapped deep dish pizza
Luckydog
Member
I absolutely bought the Xbox one version digitally for the sole reason of having both. I'm in the same boat. I specifically bought it for a new rig so I could see how much better the PC version would run. Lo and behold it runs like crap and I cant even see for myself.
But the over use of this shit sandwich bullshit has to stop. Yes, I saw your original post on this and it was spot on. No one should accept a shitty port as better than no port at all. But its not applicable in this case. You bought the Xbox copy, you got it. They promised a Windows copy I expect you will get it. I would have loved it day and date too but they never promised that.
CosmicQueso
Member
Whatever. Not worth it.
Kamina
Golden Boy
This is just my opinion, but something that prevents problems from being fixed is a problem itself.
Bullshit. Without UWP Remedy could add an exclusive fullscreen option as every other game from them. This way, the game will not mess with DWM and surely will have no added problems with frametimes. Stop with your defense because it seems clueless.
Luckydog
Member
They said 7-10 days for the code. It stinks and I (as well as most others) expected it day one. It stinks but it isnt the end of the world when they didnt even commit to it. If its not out in the timeframe they stated then by all means burn them.
My only real point is there are so many shitty things about the whole launch that are real that we dont need to make edge cases sound bigger than they are.
In my experience, QB is definitely much worse. Batman: AK ran acceptably well maxed at 1080p for most Titan X owners due to the large 12GB VRAM pool that helped mitigate the stuttering. As you said, some of the rain effects were nowhere to be found/broken at launch, but you could still sort of "brute force" AK into a playable state with some hardware configurations.
The same cannot be said about QB. It's fundamentally broken in addition to being locked behind a system like UWP, which makes it next to impossible for users to try and correct any of its many problems. QB UWP version has got no redeeming qualities whatsoever as far as I'm concerned. Not at this time anyway.
chromatic9
Member
Sucks for the ecosystem users who wanted to pirouette from their Xbox One All-in-One Entertainment System and high-end gaming PC.
Plenty of games deal with dwm in non exclusive fullscreen and don't have frametime issues.
michaelius
Banned
That would be similar to paying terrorists to release hostages knowing they will spend it on freshly supply of weapons to capture more people.
If you have to buy it on xbox because pc version is awful then get it used or make a rental.
But are they set up to drop to 30fps if you are not getting 60 on the dot? Probably not. There is a difference between borderless fullscreen in win32 and in UWP, for the worse.
RoTR is honestly an exception, not the rule. The PC port on Windows store was actually developed for win32 and is missing a lot of features in UWP, however it does run because they had not only time to hack it together but the luxury of dx 11 instead of the dx 12 mess UWP has become
The fact you think he is defending uwp is sad.
He's defending MS and by implication their shitty design decisions regarding UWP. I think it's more sad that folks defend shitty design decisions as I recall a few folks pre-release were doing. So many benefits to UWP hmm.. wait for Build?
Kurt Russell
Member
He is defending UWP (and has been doing that since the problems with UWP apps became known to the general public)
Wowfunhappy
Member
I'm not sure what you're point is.
1) The fact that it was also developed for win32 doesn't somehow mean the UWP version will perform better. If anything, it should have given Nixxes less resources to commit to the UWP version
2) As you yourself pointed out, not all UWP games use DX12, because UWP and DX12 are not the same thing. Plus, since release they've added a DX12 option.
Rise in an exception in that it's a UWP game that was ALSO given the needed development time and resources. The fact that three other UWP games (Gears, KI, and of course Quantum Break) weren't given enough development time does not say anything about UWP. It just says that those games weren't given enough development time.
Of course, we also don't know how much development time these unsatisfactory ports had. Maybe they were given what would have been ample time under normal circumstances but UWP slowed down development. We just don't have enough information to say. I, however, am not prepared to call out UWP for being the cause of crappy ports in the absence of information which actually links those two factors.
This is probably the worst launch I've ever seen and it's absolutely disgusting. There should be laws against this kind of thing. You dont see too many other big companies, apart from video game companies, releasing broken products.
I was really looking forward to this game aswell. Ms are a joke at this stage.
I was really looking forward to this game aswell. Ms are a joke at this stage.
Pathfinder
Member
What are you talking about? Of course you do.
Software companies, non-game related, often release broken products that have to be patched later. Adobe, Microsoft, Oracle, Google, Apple...
Problems like this are certainly not limited to video games.
michaelius
Banned
UWP isn't reason for bad ports. UWP adds another level of issues.
You could say you are getting double shit sandwitch instead of normal one thanks to UWP if we use this allegory.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yes, I liked GFWL and do not like Steam. Never had a problem with it. A lot of other people didn't have any issues with it either. See here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30519674&postcount=130 Im not an astroturfer lol...i post all around the community
The quotes there were from 2011 which was obv before gfwl went extinct and the games gone but the games are so old I doubt many care at this point. Virtua Tennis 4 is the only one I miss since we're prob never getting another good tennis game.
Yes. I love wrasslin' and wanted to change my name to something WWE related. Not a secret
sorry this is unrelated to the topic
Wowfunhappy
Member
The bolded statement got my thinking... because yeah, releasing products which are literally has become moderately common in the gaming industry, and I can't think of anywhere else where that happens. If you were to make a more general thread on this, I think it could make for an interesting conversation.
In this case, however, I'm not sure if "broken" is the right word to use. Unoptimized? Yes. Lacking features? Absolutely.
But since (as far as I'm aware) the game is easily playable from start to finish, I don't think it's broken. I suppose you could call the frame-rate stuff "broken", but it's not like the game advertises that it can be played in 60 fps. Yes, this should be a standard feature, but I can name many product categories that often lack features that should be standard.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Literally broken? I can't think of any to be honest. Google perhaps, but then they usually label set products as being beta quality, and don't charge for their use.
Edit: Perhaps MobileMe in the case of Apple... but that was a pretty famous instance.
Pathfinder
Member
Not to stray too far off topic with this one, but Apple has released a handful of problematic iOS upgrades recently, one that even completely disabled the cellular radio. They had to scramble and release an emergency patch that same day to restore basic smartphone functionality.
In comparison, Google Apps for Business, which companies DO pay for, have had access to Gmail/Calendar/Drive completely disabled for hours at a time because of bad code pushed through to production.
I'm not trying to excuse these occurrences, but it happens.
Very interesting to read DF findings and issues.
Personally, this "port" feels worse that Batman last year which is a shame because QB is the better game.
I was able to brute force Batman, albeit with some missing features/textures... but it seems there is no hardware that can run QB satisfactory at launch.
Personally, this "port" feels worse that Batman last year which is a shame because QB is the better game.
I was able to brute force Batman, albeit with some missing features/textures... but it seems there is no hardware that can run QB satisfactory at launch.
Luckydog
Member
This launch sucks, but its far from the worst thing ever and certainly not confined to videogames. I remember when the release of the activity band Jawbone Up was so bad that they gave people their money back and let them keep the product, no questions asked. http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/8/2621420/jawbone-up-refund-defective-fitness-band It was a HUGE failure.
Or how about those Ford Pintos, you know that ones that exploded if tapped from behind.
LordRaptor
Member
This is highly debatable, tbh.
Still kinda in disbelief that Batman Arkham Knight got dethroned in less than a year by a AAA first party port this time. Why didn't they just take the extra damn time to at least give this game a proper chance on PC? Cause of the BS UWP ecosystem push, guaranteed.
Shame on you, MS & Remedy. You sent this out to die on PC.
Shame on you, MS & Remedy. You sent this out to die on PC.
Plenty? No. A few games designed with DWM in mind since the beginning.
I'm really sensitive to frametimes problems and the only real deal is exclusive fullscreen. Sometimes you can get perfect frametimes from Fraps analysis, but those are not really smooth through the window presentation.
Pyramid head
Banned
I'd quite like to play Bulletstorm on PC actually, but I can't, because GFWL was a piece of shit.
I also really wanted to play Dark Souls when I originally bought it on PC, but I couldn't until they wiped away the shit stain that was GFWL. I literally bought a game which I could not play for months.
Because GFWL was a piece of shit.
Luckydog
Member
Hysterical. Quick GAF, somebody photoshop UWP over the truck and quantum break over the pinto!
Alcoholikaust
Member
The Dutch Slayer
Member
hahahah pretty funny 
I'm in other hand think it's worth much more vitriol than people are giving it. Hopefully more people will start to see how awful is UWP now.
CosmicQueso
Member
They didn't promise you anything. And you have the Xbox One version. You should be grateful.
Gotta love that defense. "I love GFWL. Yeah, it broke all these games, but people probably don't care about them".
You know, for some reason it reminds me of this dialogue in GTA Vice City's VCPR radio:
- Up on Capital Hill you were instrumental in pushing through a bill allowing the manufacture and sale of Giggle Cream, a dessert with potential lethal consequences.
- Uh, not true! Only 23 people have died and several of them probably deserved it.
if you could disable the sandbox on a per-app basis then i'd probably be fine with it. we'd get mod and overlay support when we want it and the security benefits otherwise.
i reeeeeally doubt MS will ever be willing to do that though.
Luckydog
Member
Quick and dirty
Delivers on every level....
For a limited time, anyone who pre-orders the digital version of Quantum Break for Xbox One through the Xbox Store will receive the Windows 10 version of the game for free, downloadable at the Windows Store via redemption code. The pre-order offer also applies for those who redeem a digital code purchased from participating retailers or from the Xbox One Special Edition Quantum Break Bundle by April 4th, 2016
Nope, no promise