CosmicQueso
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Well we got the Xbox One version through the Xbox Store didn't we? So, we should be grateful. Everything else is just a bonus, and we'll get it eventually. Maybe. There are no guarantees in life.
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Quantum Break PC is a mess (non-native render, badly optimized, overpriced, etc)
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Well we got the Xbox One version through the Xbox Store didn't we? So, we should be grateful. Everything else is just a bonus, and we'll get it eventually. Maybe. There are no guarantees in life.
Hahaha terrificQuick and dirty
I bought a GFWL game on Steam when I used to live in Turkey and GFWL region locked me out of playing the game I legitimately bought because GFWL didn't work in my region despite there being no restriction on Steam. Fuck GFWL.
I'm not sure how this is a surprise to anybody in this thread. Pages back you had somebody professing to like Shit Sandwiches.
Wowfunhappy
Member
But shouldn't people see the things that UWP is actually awful at, as opposed to the things it isn't? If there's no (conclusive) evidence the UWP is the reason that this is an awful port, how does blaming UWP help anyone?
that's really one of the all-time great gaf shitposts
hope you run into a wall while playing with your vive bruh
Are you just stubborn for the sake of stubbornness? You were shown a direct quote from Microsoft that it's part of a pre-order offer... meaning it is part of the original sale and not a bonus.
If you are happy with your purchase that's fine. Stop trying to shut down other customers' legitimate concerns.
CosmicQueso
Member
Let's make a lot about edge cases.
OMG I'm furious about this whole thing, but I have users telling me to not make a big deal about it, to be grateful it's even on PC and if I wanted the PC version I just should have bought that and if I didn't I have no reason to complain!!
This whole thing is the biggest fucking shitshow and we're the ones creating it. Remedy is telling gamers they are lying about the PC performance they are seeing and the codes that were promised to people who bought the game? Who the hell knows where they are! But that's JUST FINE to a bunch of people in this very thread!
Not really. The Win32 API is an utter mess representing the accumulation of of 20+ years of functions, many of which are obselete or needlessly complex. Replacing that with a more rational API is a good idea. It's a good idea for developers, it's a good idea for Microsoft.
That said, UWP suffers for a couple of reasons - 1) it's basically version 1.0 so Microsoft hasn't optimized it as far as they should or added functionality which is clearly needed in some cases, 2) neither have any of the 3rd party libs or drivers, 3) they've tied it to their store which sucks. All these issues can be resolved.
I think in time these issues will be fixed.
As a developer the last thing I want to hear is how removing 20 years of functionality and compatibility is a good thing for the new flavor of the year mobile-centric API is a great idea.
UWP is one of the reasons that this game plays like shit now, so...
Your business can synergise to the exploding movement of the current technological footprint and gain major advancement of Social networking. This makes your company above board with the monstrous adoption process so you can be the alpha geek.
michaelius
Banned
Well, they kinda go hand in hand. Microsoft is the one forcing exclusivity to the UWP ecosystem, which in turn keeps it broken longer because of the certification process for patches.
These threads and the UWP defenders have broken me. I legitimately can't tell if this is satire or not.
robertlebrone
Member
This. I still haven't played Bulletstorm and I've owned it for years. Sad...
i am honestly just confused by this
CosmicQueso
Member
What's baffling to me, like honestly, truly baffling, is I don't know why it is being defended or even the idea of why it exists. What benefits does it truly provide that people are so enamored with it and emotionally attached to it.
All you need to do is read the last 2-3 pages.
I honestly had to read his post history to know it for sure.
Yeah it's odd UWP actually has a defense force, there is really no redeeming qualities
flaxknuckles
Member
my live tiles tho
It's not a mobile centric API, it's an agnostic API. And neither does it remove 20 years of functionality. If you want to write code the old way you still have Win32 if you want it. But it's reasonable that Microsoft would want to revamp the API and strip out the dead wood and do things a decent way that is more portable and efficient. A simple example would be replacing the old HWND functions with something which is scene graph based. Try creating a tooltip control some day and tell me its as simple as it should be.
As I shall say again, it's obviously flawed in its implementation. But the same could be said for Win32 in its day. When Win32 first appeared it did so in an incarnation called Win32S which was running on Windows 3.1 and had many limitations. And over time it also had OLE2, ActiveX, DirectX and dozens of other random APIs heaped on top of it.
It's completely reasonable that Microsoft are trying to replace it with something more modern.
bananafactory
Banned
I'm trying to request a refund but have no idea how to go about it. Can someone here point me in the right direction? Microsoft has a refunds section on their website but even though I'm logged in nothing shows under the digital content list in my account
Something Linux or BSD has never done FYI - the open sourciest of operating systems still use UNIX binaries.
The only reason for UWP is a walled garden, no matter how many times you spin it
Call Microsoft 1800-642-7676
Luckydog
Member
I just dont get it. UWP is a freaking dumpster fire. The PC version QB is a shit sandwich. And people all around QB no matter where they stand seem to be getting screwed (maybe not xbone owners?). But the most furious part of this entire equation is that Microsoft did not give out the FREE copy of a SHIT SANDWICH WRAPPED IN A DUMPSTER FIRE fast enough?
Is this where we are at? That regardless of how bad the PC version of the shit sandwich is, that we are raging at the fact that MS wont shove the shit sandwich into your mouth faster than 7-10 days?
Is this where we are at? That regardless of how bad the PC version of the shit sandwich is, that we are raging at the fact that MS wont shove the shit sandwich into your mouth faster than 7-10 days?
bananafactory
Banned
No live chat option?
"Talk to an expert" on the sidebar pulls up live chat, if this was a Microsoft Store physical copy.
Spin what exactly? Are you bothering to read what I wrote or just content with straw men arguments?
This would be the third time now I've said UWP is fine in theory but not in implementation. I also very explicitly said one failing was it was tied to the Microsoft store.
CosmicQueso
Member
Developing platforms like UWP is hard. Developing games like QB is hard. These hard things to do sometimes have issues that require a lot of effort, time and work to fix.
Sending out a fucking code though? That's very, very easy. And they're even screwing that up. That's the difference. They're not even able to do the easy things well.
It's not fine in theory is the problem
UWP is just a way for Microsoft to control output like Xbox, there is no really other justification
Luckydog
Member
Fair enough. and the fact that they didnt say there was a 7-10 day wait BEFORE it shipped instead of after is BS.
bananafactory
Banned
Thanks. Speaking with them now
Right.. so it's fine to have games written against Win32 and DirectX which are Microsoft proprietary but not UWP which is Microsoft proprietary?
That's an absurd argument and one which suggest you haven't programmed much Win32 to appreciate why a clean sweep might be a good thing.
If you object to UWP apps being tied to their store then object to UWP apps being tied to their store. There is nothing inherent to UWP which requires this to be the case.
Yeah I forgot about other software. I was thinking of non-computer based companies.
I cant make threads since I'm only a junior. You can make one about that if you please.
Yea I see your point but it's stil a really sub-par port and a big "fuck you" to the PC gamers who were really looking forward to the game, me being one of them. I was hyped for this since it was announced in 2013 and now I dont even want to play it with all the issues. I just hope it gets patched to an acceptable standard.
It's definitely one of the worst high profile PC releases in a while. It's as bad as Arkham Knight PC, if not worse. I dont want QB to be a failure because I like Remedy, but it could well be a failure if it's not released on Steam.
bananafactory
Banned
Well that was a hassle free refund, so I guess props to MS for that. If only they'd released a good product
In my experience people who defend it have a Xbox One.
That should tell you something.
Pathfinder
Member
Agreed. The situation is looking grim at this point. I'm waiting with bated breath for Remedy's next move regarding this release.
You're wrong about one very important thing, it's not just flawed in its implementation it's flawed in its GOALS, it's like when the government floats a bill that would give poor people a tax break and then someone slips an anti trans bathroom rider in there or something - We shouldn't be celebrating Microsoft updating Win 32 if it comes with all the bullshit control this new system has.
Well the API is buggy, broken in some aspects, and has a list of known issues in MSDN pages long.
Granted it might get better, but again I ask? Why?
We will just have to agree to disagree, I don't believe you can separate Microsoft's goals from the API development process, it's not like it's self evolving or open source - Microsoft are the only ones who can improve it, and they clearly have an underlying set of goals beyond 'match and improve win 32 functionality'.
If you have it on steam. You can still play it. Without GFWL. without co-op. The solo still works.
Install xliveless.
Example of a game patched by the community ...
SneakyStephan
Banned
What is going on in this thread
What is this
edit: oh it really was satire.
I mean it looks like satire, but so do all the other pro UWP arguments itt and those are dead serious