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Ratchet & Clank - Review Thread
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Very interested in how they are going to do Crash. I mean, the likely answer is an HD take on the PS1 games but I wonder if they are going to what Ratchet and Clank PS4 does and take the original game(s) and remix parts of them/completely changed them up.
Like in Crash 1 with the bolder chasing you, maybe you can fall down into a pit with the bolder and it becomes a 2D chase section in a hidden cave. Or maybe have the water bike levels from Crash 3 become full-on races with other ski-riders. Maybe you can even change the order of unlock powers when you clear bosses (super spin first unlock, super belly flop second power up, ect).
wrestleman
Member
Personally I hope not. I don't play Crash Bandicoot to get into races on jet-skis. I'd rather they focus on the meat and potatoes.
Was just making an example, as that was a mechanic in the original version of Crash 3.
But I agree with you; if they go the remake-but completely different at points route, I hope they focus on the core of the games (fun platforming) instead of the fluff the latter 3D games (Crash 3, Crash Wrath of Cortex) added.
GalacticToast
Member
won't be able to pick it up until tomorrow, but I can't wait. This has been one of my favorite franchises, and it's one I grew up with. I'll support it as much as possible. Glad to hear it's been getting great reviews.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I just wonder if Sony is willing to let them go that route.
Will they demand something more mature for sales or to target a larger demographic?
Or maybe they can make Jak/Crash that desirable... I want it for sure, particularly a new Jak... and get Sucker Punch to do another Sly game... oh man. I wish.
If PS4 could somehow get remakes of Jak/Ratchet/Sly, probably the greatest platform icon trifecta of all of Sony's consoles, all on the same platform that would be incredible
Heck I wouldn't mind if Insomniac went back and explored Spyro again but I know that is Activision property.
Naughty Dog already said they have no interest in making cartoon games so you might as well forget about it.
Lord of Ostia
Member
I feel like this is definitely the case. The only way I see them doing one of those franchises is as a smaller, budget title while working on something bigger, like what Insomniac does now basically.
Dual Blade
Member
Just started this game and its AWESOME. Played the whole series and I'm just digging this entry. I'm already planning on platinuming it 
HawksWinStanley
Member
Have to admit I wasn't entirely sure what to expect with the lower price point. I'll be picking this baby up fo sho.
bodine1231
Member
Liking it so far but god damn the game really feels "off" running at 30fps.
Hexa
Member
They just built a mocap studio. I don't think they're going to make Sly games, or at least that's not going to be their main game.
gamerMan
Member
I forgot how good the original Ratchet and Clank was. These reviews confirm that the gameplay stands up even today. If this was an entirely new game, I would be getting it. While the statement that it looks like Pixar game in motion are completely exaggerated, it looks like one of the best remakes I have seen. It doesn't even look like the old game. Since Naughty Dog is done with cartoony platformers, I hope that Insomniac remakes Jak and Daxster because I never played that game before.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I'll pick this up when it's cheap. Never touched this series.
DearestJuliet
Banned
It is cheap.
This is not an exaggeration. I can absolutely see why someone would say this
BONKERS
Member
Yeah, it's a shame they cut the framerate in half over the original so they could focus more on prettier shading and graphics than delivering the highest performance so input as responsive as it should be.
Weren't all the PS3 ones 60FPS too? Edit ,No only the first one.
http://kotaku.com/5393106/insomniac-dev-ratchet--clank-probably-our-last-60fps-game
Uguu
Crying shame that is. This just reminds me why I love Nintendo.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yep, It felt that way at the time for tools of destruction and by gosh they did it again!!!
I alalso personaly have zero qualms with 30fps as long as it's solid.
It seems they grew up and matured...which means shooting games! It's all about shooting people now...which i kinda screwed up if you think about it.
momshotdad
Member
Well, every Best Buy in my area is sold out. Good to see the boys return is doing well!
As long as the game is locked at 30 and plays well, what is the issue with no 60FPS? I played through the original trilogy, 60FPS games, on my Vita via that version of the Ratchet Collection. They ran at 30FPS on Vita and it was more then playable to me.
Sorry the frame rate is that much of an issue for you though
. And the PS3 games that were target at 60FPS are the following:-Tools of Destruction (Dipped to 40-50FPS at times)
-Quest for Booty (almost a locked 60FPS for me)
-A Crack in Time (frequently drops to 40-50FPS)
Mikey Jr.
Member
You don't waste nd talents on crash bandicoot. Thats like asking a master chef to go start flipping burgers again.
Nd are so above that as a studio that it's not even funny.
What is wrong with making platformers? I'm serious with that comment; they are a great genre and I would run toward a Naughty Dog platformer before Uncharted if I had the option honestly :l.
ND aren't above anything; they can make whatever game they want and people will love it
.paragonpro
Banned
I dont get this? How is a realistic shooter more prestigious than a unique and creative platformer. Are Nintendo Tokyo EAD trash for still making mario games and not realistic shooters?
Big Red Button could reboot the Jak franchise with Jak boom. For whatever reason I though Big red button was done after sonic boom.
Also everyone should make platformers. They're the best.
They're not done, just heavily down-sized after Boom's release. They were even part of a interview with members of SEGA Japan and Sonic Team.......that shocked me honestly, considering I would of imagined Sonic Team wanting to kick them out after Boom U's poor launch.
gamerMan
Member
It's great that you feel that way. To me, the shadows, shaders, and lighting are not even close. In Ratchet and Clank, you can't see the lighting go through the fur. Even in the original Monster Inc that came out in 2001, you can see the lighting go through the fur and make out each strand. On a technical level, the lighting and shadowing techniques are not even close though it is one of the best looking games. Just not Pixar quality, which is a great exaggeration. We are still years away from Pixar like graphics on home consoles. Still, it's beautiful remake.
Sonic Boom 2 (4?): Return of the Rise of Lyric
NX launch title.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I don't think ND has any interest in going back to Jak game or go back to Crash.
After Uncharted and TLoU, why would they ever look back?
Sly is getting a movie next after Ratchet & Clank movie. (Unless the movie flops.) So it's reasonable to expect Jak could make a possible remake as well.
Jak is also the game that needs a remake the most out of the trio. His first game is completely different from the rest of his games where his popularity booms in. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch in wanting to redo the story and gameplay almost entirely. I feel like they could almost skip Jak 1 all together or at least just make it a short tutorial, then quickly jump to Jak 2 and have the time skip and darker/mature Jak coming out of it in the games first 30 minutes.
I know there is a handful of people who like the original Jak, but I feel like cutting to the chase to Jak 2 is more beneficial in terms of a remake to the series. But that's just my opinion.
You know the people behind The Last of Us said a similar comment. It was probably the most cocky and stupid comment I ever heard. They completely dismissed "cartoony" games and said "mature games" is their future. Jak WAS very successful. But the game had A LOT going against it. Not from the content itself, but from the creators side. Bad level designs, very challenging game that is almost unfair in some moments, bad pacing, and missing their mark on who they were marketing the game too which gave them hiccups. Yet besides all of that, the last 2 games are considered the some of the greatest PS2 games ever. But because Uncharted has more success because they actually bothered doing everything I mentioned and then some then The Last of Us taking a ride on everyone's love for a realistic/human zombie story (Walking Dead and so on.) They feel cocky enough to claim their success now is because people like more mature games and not the obvious fact they simply just matured as game creators that can now make better games and hit their market properly.
Jak has the potential to be much more popular now then it has ever been. But that's all on Naughty Dog actually giving it the love and support it needs rather then brushing it off to some amateurs that will experience similar problems they had when they first started making Jak games.
Jak is also the game that needs a remake the most out of the trio. His first game is completely different from the rest of his games where his popularity booms in. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch in wanting to redo the story and gameplay almost entirely. I feel like they could almost skip Jak 1 all together or at least just make it a short tutorial, then quickly jump to Jak 2 and have the time skip and darker/mature Jak coming out of it in the games first 30 minutes.
I know there is a handful of people who like the original Jak, but I feel like cutting to the chase to Jak 2 is more beneficial in terms of a remake to the series. But that's just my opinion.
You know the people behind The Last of Us said a similar comment. It was probably the most cocky and stupid comment I ever heard. They completely dismissed "cartoony" games and said "mature games" is their future. Jak WAS very successful. But the game had A LOT going against it. Not from the content itself, but from the creators side. Bad level designs, very challenging game that is almost unfair in some moments, bad pacing, and missing their mark on who they were marketing the game too which gave them hiccups. Yet besides all of that, the last 2 games are considered the some of the greatest PS2 games ever. But because Uncharted has more success because they actually bothered doing everything I mentioned and then some then The Last of Us taking a ride on everyone's love for a realistic/human zombie story (Walking Dead and so on.) They feel cocky enough to claim their success now is because people like more mature games and not the obvious fact they simply just matured as game creators that can now make better games and hit their market properly.
Jak has the potential to be much more popular now then it has ever been. But that's all on Naughty Dog actually giving it the love and support it needs rather then brushing it off to some amateurs that will experience similar problems they had when they first started making Jak games.
I would agree with you jumping to Jak 2, but they really need to completely re-do the setting and the world at that point.
I think something like this would be good:
Something in-between the harsh world of the original Jak 2 but also having the color that Jak 1 had.
I personally enjoy Jak 2 on a core story and gameplay level but they really, REALLY need to fix a lot about the game. Harsh difficulty and horrid cop AI mainly.
But.....I would personally want them to give Jak 1 the remake treatment, as I feel its the best one in the series (with Daxter being second and Jak 3 being third).
This new Naughtydog probably can't even make a great Jak game.
Their focus now is on linear, cinematic style games.
Jak games were always very open world, a huge amount of freedom, and some great platforming.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I wouldn't go that far. I think they just don't want to.
It's great that you feel that way. To me, the shadows, shaders, and lighting are not even close. In Ratchet and Clank, you can't see the lighting go through the fur. Even in the original Monster Inc that came out in 2001, you can see the lighting go through the fur and make out each strand. On a technical level, the lighting and shadowing techniques are not even close though it is one of the best looking games. Just not Pixar quality, which is a great exaggeration. We are still years away from Pixar like graphics on home consoles. Still, it's beautiful remake.
Are you sure that bottom image is from Monsters Inc and not Monsters University? The lighting looks way better than I remember Monsters Inc being.
Im completely fine with a Sucker Punch Jak.
They got the know how to do a plataform game.
They nail at gameplay.
Theirs engine is gorgeous and perfect for OW.
Honestly I would rather see them making a new Jak instead of ND, wich I think should follow the route they went on PS3.
PuppetMaster
Member
Damn great scores!
Can't wait to play this. I was going to wait till after I cleared some backlog including DS3 but I think I should buy now when it is hot
Can't wait to play this. I was going to wait till after I cleared some backlog including DS3 but I think I should buy now when it is hot
timmyp53
Member
That's Monsters University (2013) but I think Insomniac always is pushing the boundaries. Looks amazing for sure I can see Pixar comparisons but Pixar will always be king though.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Yes support this game now so we get more like it.
Hexa
Member
It's great that you feel that way. To me, the shadows, shaders, and lighting are not even close. In Ratchet and Clank, you can't see the lighting go through the fur. Even in the original Monster Inc that came out in 2001, you can see the lighting go through the fur and make out each strand. On a technical level, the lighting and shadowing techniques are not even close though it is one of the best looking games. Just not Pixar quality, which is a great exaggeration. We are still years away from Pixar like graphics on home consoles. Still, it's beautiful remake.
That's Monsters University. When it comes to Monsters Inc, I think that Ratchet actually beats it in some areas, though Monsters Inc is still somewhat better overall. But it's not "not even close" like it is with Monsters University.
It's great that you feel that way. To me, the shadows, shaders, and lighting are not even close. In Ratchet and Clank, you can't see the lighting go through the fur. Even in the original Monster Inc that came out in 2001, you can see the lighting go through the fur and make out each strand. On a technical level, the lighting and shadowing techniques are not even close though it is one of the best looking games. Just not Pixar quality, which is a great exaggeration. We are still years away from Pixar like graphics on home consoles. Still, it's beautiful remake.
Isn't that shot from the Ratchet movie, not the game?
In game cut scene. Which I assume are in-engine. The actual game in motion isn't as detailed, but it still looks amazing.