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That game is pretty bad
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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That game is pretty bad
joecanada
Member
you just wrote "it competed with uncharted"... how does it compete with a game that has never appeared on the ps4? If people are clamouring for a tps and uncharted is their bag, then they will undoubtedly be pumped about the Order releasing a good year before uncharted... and many don't even bother with uncharted mp although that's another topic.
It does not compete with COD and all other shooters, those are all without exception massive dudebro shooters with terrible stories and zero plotlines, which the Order may or may not beat by a mile... that remains to be seen but the indication is they are going for an epic type of story telling.
MP would probably have been pretty cool, but that is pretty much not a consideration, the game is not mp, so it doesn't have mp elements to argue over, it's not comparable to other mp games. it should be compared to other games of its type, say an uncharted without mp or a soul reaver, heavenly sword, etc...
if it's not your type of game then so be it, but saying it's just a bad concept is wrong until proven otherwise.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I remember feeling so damn burnt by The Bouncer when I bought it at launch as a kid.
I brought it home and finished it in like 2 hours. Had my mom take me back to the store to exchange it for something else immediately. Very "cinematic" and pretty game, though.
-MD-
Member
I recently played through about 60% of Ryse before abandoning it.
It's honestly one of the worst games I've ever played, a mind-numbing experience to be sure.
Freeman
Banned
So was the guy that was playing the video that is on youtube of The Order. I only watched the beginning but he would get in front of items with a prompt to examine and would just ignore, he was at the very least very objective.
The Order seems to be short, but not 5h short to most people, specially not to those that are playing on hard. To the people that are interested in the game but are uncomfortable paying 60$ for a short game and don't care for having it on their collection just buy it and sell after you are done with it or rent it. You can also wait till the price drops.
Same here, I couldn't even appreciate the graphics given how bad I felt the game was, couldn't finish it, absolutely uninspired.
Same thing as Titanfall. Some people found it worth the money, others didn't. Some people will find The Order worth the money, others won't.
I'm in the camp that doesn't think The Order is worth it, but all the power to those who do. I'll stick with Bloodborne and The Witcher and be perfectly content.
I'm in the camp that doesn't think The Order is worth it, but all the power to those who do. I'll stick with Bloodborne and The Witcher and be perfectly content.
TheChocolateWar
Member
You beat the bouncer in two hours? Pro gamer right here. I remember playing that for at least two weeks, setting up combos and stuff.
Haven't played many games then sheesh.
EventHorizon
Member
Awww... That's cute. You think the devs responding with "No comment" about the run time length of a playthrough posted on YouTube for anybody to see would not have generated the exact same amount of controversy, if not more.
Oh and it is not trolling to ask a dev about the runtime length of their game.
-MD-
Member
I've been playing games for about 20 years. Hundreds if not thousands of them.
Ultra Numb
Member
This is worrying. It didn't seem like that person in the playthrough was rushing either.
The game being five hours long isn't the problem, it's the price. I'm going to wait until it goes down or just rent it, I ain't spending £50 on a five hour game.
The game being five hours long isn't the problem, it's the price. I'm going to wait until it goes down or just rent it, I ain't spending £50 on a five hour game.
2 Hours? Did you beat it with all characters and unlock all characters and special moves? I beat the game and found everything. One of the best games ever. It was like Tobal's Dungeons on crack. Shu yo mouth, game looked good too.
The Bouncer Defense Force assemble!!!!!!!
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
What? Maybe you were able to find more in the game, but it's pretty famous for being extremely short.
Hell, it's listed at 1.5 hours for the main story at HLTB: http://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=9792
5.5 hours for doing *everything* at a leisurely pace.
EightBitNate
Member
I doubt they were played similarly. The Gears guy basically says he trying to finish it quickly. Plus its co-op and probably not his first time playing. Other places say it takes more like 12 hours to complete. Not to mention it has MP.
Actually, I think it'd be safer for a developer to answer a question about God's existence than about their own game's length.
-MD-
Member
Dude, I loved The Bouncer. I'm pretty sure it was about 90 minutes long but as a kid it felt like a long time.
I played through it with a buddy a handful of times.
King Tubby
Member
Short campaign time + lack of additional modes + low replayability = rent or wait for PS+, unless the campaign is just absolutely stellar on another level. But even a "similar" game like Metal Gear Solid for the PS1 had tremendous depth and variety that lent itself to experimentation and multiple playthroughs. This doesn't seem to be true of The Order (I could be wrong)
seriously? is this what we've stooped to? ridiculous
Well I dont know about that because I beat it with all 3 characters as they had different scenes and different story arcs or something.
Anyways this game had the greatest rag doll physics ever. They were ahead of their time!
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Steam says that Incriminati is the only one who's played Ryse and you don't have an Xbone so ...
JackLongRod
Banned
You honestly think this would given away for free ?
I would buy this game, if only for a showcase of what a second party studio can wring out of the PS4. That fella talking about "drinking" in the atmosphere etc has been ridiculed, but he makes a good point. This game appears to have insane attention to detail and style, rushing through to the conclusion is just cheating yourself.
The flip side is that as a gamer first and foremost, I prefer to have control of the character. Having such a large proportion of the game taken up by cut scenes and QTEs doesn't appeal to my sensibilities, and demanding acceptance in a community of similarly rabid gamers is pretty naive. "Interactive movies" like this will have a more favourable audience elsewhere than NeoGAF I suspect.
The flip side is that as a gamer first and foremost, I prefer to have control of the character. Having such a large proportion of the game taken up by cut scenes and QTEs doesn't appeal to my sensibilities, and demanding acceptance in a community of similarly rabid gamers is pretty naive. "Interactive movies" like this will have a more favourable audience elsewhere than NeoGAF I suspect.
-MD-
Member
Ayy...
Pancakes R Us
Member
But what's the point of saying it's absolutely impossible to beat it in 5 hours and then refuse to say how long? To me that may mean 5:15 in length.
King Tubby
Member
At some point years down the line, absolutely. Uncharted 3 ended up as a PS+ title. I don't think it would happen anytime soon, mind you.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
That's what I'm getting it for. The attention to detail is insane. I really like exploring virtual environments and taking screenshots, so I can derive a lot of fun out of that. Honestly, Assassin's Creed Unity was a bad game through and through, but I derived a great deal of enjoyment out of it from just being able to explore their amazing rendition of Paris.
Collateral22
Member
Isn't there a trophy for finishing TEW in like 5 hours?
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
He has a point. This is a forum of hyper-enthusiasts...
Ricky Ricardo
Member
I'm just ragging on him. I know he played it. MYOB homes
-MD-
Member
Yeah, he's just trolling though.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Eventually.
They gotta give out Knack and Killzone first, I suppose.
Also, PS+ isn't free.
whos trolling?
FeiRR
Banned
Because it is useful first-hand information. As opposed to people talking about youtube playthroughs made by someone else, which I consider useless.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
What? Because they have GAF accounts, their reported experiences deserve more recognition than someone who posted their entire playthrough on YouTube? You can't get more transparent than posting your entire playthrough from start to finish and commenting on it.
Yeah, this game definitely seems to be worth playing through at some point for the art/tech alone. Really stunning stuff.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
By not talking about it they're basically confirming that it's a short game. Also using mw as an example is bad since that game includes mp. The game looks interesting but I can wait and pay $20 for it and get the same experience. It wouldn't have taken that much effort to add a survival mode of some sort even if it meant another delay. For $60 I want quality and quantity.
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Have you played it? No?
Then all of those numbers you are quoting are THIRD HAND information, as they come from other people, as as you put it, "someone else". Just like the person who played it and put video of their playthrough on Youtube.
Funny how that works.
No, that's pretty much how long it takes to run through The Bouncer. It's about a 2 hour game.
Now, you have three characters and some branching sections in there as well to change things up but it's still rather short. I didn't mind that either, to be honest, but I was blinded by the impressive visuals.
Host Samurai
Member
MGS 1 took me like 12+ hours on my first play through and RE2 has 6 different scenarios and can take 12-15 hours for a first time play through. I'm cool with an 8hour game, but a 5 hour game that's $60 is a bit too much.
Why is a youtube playthrough useless? Why does youtube make the fact that someone completed the game in less than 6 hours make it false? If those gaffers were to post their playthroughs on youtube, would their information be useless then?
MilesWebber
Member
All of this sounds great to me for the following reasons:
1. I would have a much higher chance of completing the game since my gaming time seems to get shorter and shorter.
2. A complete story with (hopefully) no gimmicks for padding length like fetch quests and whatnot that big down the pacing.
3. Animation, graphics and motion capture look amazing and the costs associated probably had a factor in the length. Hopefully there's some well-crafted DLC coming. I'd rather be spending 5 hours saying "wow this looks great!" Than 10 hours noticing reused assets and/or lower quality graphics.
TL:dr I have a full time job and am pleased the game is short enough for me to finish.
1. I would have a much higher chance of completing the game since my gaming time seems to get shorter and shorter.
2. A complete story with (hopefully) no gimmicks for padding length like fetch quests and whatnot that big down the pacing.
3. Animation, graphics and motion capture look amazing and the costs associated probably had a factor in the length. Hopefully there's some well-crafted DLC coming. I'd rather be spending 5 hours saying "wow this looks great!" Than 10 hours noticing reused assets and/or lower quality graphics.
TL:dr I have a full time job and am pleased the game is short enough for me to finish.
TheChocolateWar
Member
Aye, but I remember playing through the game at least four times. Kind of like way of the samurai. A short story is fine if there is some incentive to replay.
-MD-
Member
RE2? Hell yeah, it had like 4+ playthroughs worth of content.
MMaRsu
Banned
Can you not explain to him that at 20 bucks a copy, they would never recoup dev costs?
EventHorizon
Member
This is quickly becoming my biggest criticism of NeoGaf. It seems that a large part of this community is completely incapable of talking about gaming from the perspective of the general public. Anytime it is brought up how overall sales, or the general reaction will be to a game, people start taking it personal and you get a lot of post like "But I don't care what other people like. In my opinion..." That's great and all, but I have to ask this question to those defending The Order:
Accepting the fact that you personally think you'll like The Order, what do yo think will be the overall reaction to the game's quality and length from the general public?
Tainted
Member
I think many people are saying its useless because it was a random youtuber. If say, a reputable media outlet such as IGN, Gamespot, GB etc were to release their playthough on the internet, all of a sudden people would sit up and take notice.
I guess we'll see how useless this current info is in a few days when the embargo drops.