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Rise of the Tomb Raider's garbage combat
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Wowfunhappy
Member
Given that the Xbox 360 version, which was ported by Nixxes, is pretty much lag free, I'm fairly confident that the PC version, which is also being ported by Nixxes, won't have any problems.
crazysapertonight
Member
I tried demo on Xbox One and delay was terrible, so I decided to wait for PC version, hoping, that it will not have the same problem.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
No. It's a technical issue that affects one version of the game. The combat mechanics work perfectly elsewhere.
NullPointer
Member
No joke. Its a great game that falls apart once you're facing alerted enemies rushing you.
There's less of that stuff in Rise of the Tomb Raider than in TR: 2013, but the imprecision of input and cover make each of those battles a frustrating trial and error slog. And the last act of the game is unfortunately heavy on that stuff.
It definitely needs a patch to put it in line with TR: 2013 at least.
There's less of that stuff in Rise of the Tomb Raider than in TR: 2013, but the imprecision of input and cover make each of those battles a frustrating trial and error slog. And the last act of the game is unfortunately heavy on that stuff.
It definitely needs a patch to put it in line with TR: 2013 at least.
lol
FunkyDealer
Banned
The input lag is bad. But it didn't stop me from rocking the (weapon spoiler
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Just keep your distance and take your time.
bolt-action rifle
Just keep your distance and take your time.
Yeah, which is why I don't understand how folks can say GTA V's shooting/controls are good when they are a major step down (and to be fair probably limited by old gen hardware in terms of they can't add all that in addition to what GTA V does)
Max Payne 3 on a controller is good, MP3 on a mouse/kb is fuckin godlike. You could argue against the heaviness of Max but I thought the combat was superb. I really really want GTA VI to have those controls/gore.
bananafactory
Banned
Did TR2013 have this issue?
Alpha Phoenix
Member
This should be patched ASAP. I'm not sure why CD is ignoring such a glaring issue.
I'm not certain this has something to do with the porting house, I'm afraid the issues goes deeper, perhaps the result of their rendering setup and the PC version will be based on the xbone sku (hopefully enhanced in places) so chances are the input lag will make its return.
I have only played about 10-15 minutes on someone's else xbone and the input lag is definitely there. Not enough to put me off thankfully.
Digital Limit
Member
Same here, on normal. Game controls fine, not great.
No. It ran fine on all 5 supported platforms.
mrblonde2099
Neo Member
I've been playing this heavily the last few days and it is so bad. I don't remember it being this bad in the original 2013 TR. I actually thought I had my TV's "game mode" turned off. It seems like there is a half-second delay in almost everything that you do in the game. And it's highlighted in combat. I've resorted to spec'ing into all of the explosive/crafting skills because aiming with a gun is terrible.
Has anyone played it on the easy difficulty that has aim-assist on? I wonder if that will make the game playable in combat.
Otherwise, this game is fantastic. Imagine if it had the responsiveness in combat as say, MGS5 or Gears of War.
Has anyone played it on the easy difficulty that has aim-assist on? I wonder if that will make the game playable in combat.
Otherwise, this game is fantastic. Imagine if it had the responsiveness in combat as say, MGS5 or Gears of War.
Surely though the 360 version had to start from somewhere ? Nixxes weren't working from some '360 codebase' surely ? They probably had to port it from the xbox one sku and make changes as necessary, I don't see why the lag couldn't be fixed in porting to PC.
Morrigan Stark
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If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
You pretty much have to snipe or stealth kill everything because of this.
narutomaki04
Banned
Yea, I definitely notice the deadzone in this game, def could use improvement
The only other version that is out, yes.
The 360 is substantially paired back when it comes to visuals, and I suspect this is where the input lag stems from.
Free Roaming Chicken
Neo Member
I realize Steam has refunds. But, still I'm going to hold-off ordering until I get a chance to hear what PC players have to say.
DarthWalden
Banned
Oh man I couldn't agree more... but for totally different reasons.... I honestly didn't have any issues with the controls I loved everything else about the game but the horrible combat really stuck out to me, and it felt considerably worse then TRDE because of how horribly balanced the game is.
I loved the idea of bandaging in combat and rummaging goods but it's so easy to find everything that you basically have unlimited bandages as well as unlimited overpowered AoE arrows which might the combat ridiculously easy even on survivor.
In addition to that sometimes you get in large spaces and the guys just swarm you and they don't give you any cover and they are throwing grenades at you. You basically just run around shooting guys and bandaging yourself. It's not fun or challenging. I couldn't wait for the combat sequences to be over since the exploration and open world stuff was so good in comparison to the shit ass combat.
Not once have I read a complaint about the combat, am I the only one who thought it was complete shit?
I loved the idea of bandaging in combat and rummaging goods but it's so easy to find everything that you basically have unlimited bandages as well as unlimited overpowered AoE arrows which might the combat ridiculously easy even on survivor.
In addition to that sometimes you get in large spaces and the guys just swarm you and they don't give you any cover and they are throwing grenades at you. You basically just run around shooting guys and bandaging yourself. It's not fun or challenging. I couldn't wait for the combat sequences to be over since the exploration and open world stuff was so good in comparison to the shit ass combat.
Not once have I read a complaint about the combat, am I the only one who thought it was complete shit?
Poison cloud spam makes combat boring, which is why I stopped playing the game once it started to veer into the combat heavy, enemy rush cycle.Input lag doesn't affect poison cloud spam
GusBricker
Member
I honestly had no issues with the game, it was my GOTY for 2015. Shrugs.
I'm glad to know this isn't just me.
And after a few hours of playing, it was kinda concerning that this was on giant bomb's GOTY list and no one had even mentioned the delay (unless I am remembering wrong). I know that Metacritic isn't really important but I can't understand how a game with this massive problem has an 86.
And after a few hours of playing, it was kinda concerning that this was on giant bomb's GOTY list and no one had even mentioned the delay (unless I am remembering wrong). I know that Metacritic isn't really important but I can't understand how a game with this massive problem has an 86.
NullPointer
Member
Its drop dead gorgeous, filled with nooks and crannies in larger, better crafted hub areas to explore and take in the world building, satisfying as hell to clamber and climb and swim and swing about, and the input lag is only a problem in the full on action combat scenes, with most encounters solvable through stealth kills.
There's plenty there to love besides the story and especially the mushy combat. And in that sense this truly is a Tomb Raider game.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
after Uncharted 3? good joke friend
I was thinking the same thing. Really enjoyed the game, but the gunplay and aiming were lacklustre and a big step back. Sort of like UC3 launch, only worse, and without a quick follow up patch. The cover system wasn't very intuitive either. Thankfully poison gas arrows meant I didn't have to do a whole lot of ordinary shooting for much of the games combat scenarios.
Rising_Hei
Member
Doesn't this kind of input lag happens when a console tries to pull something off that's just too much for the console?
I remember playing some PC games on my old PC and getting terrible input lag because i needed a much better PC.
I remember playing some PC games on my old PC and getting terrible input lag because i needed a much better PC.
Chip N Chance
Member
I honestly thought i was the only one. That game was damn near impossible to play since i was playing Blops 3 and MGS5 at the time of its release. It was night and day.
It's really bad -- a gigantic step back from TR2013.
I'm hoping the PC version fixes the control issues, but ultimately I think the combat scenario themselves were also pretty underwhelming throughout the game.
Lots of other great stuff in there, though. It was a weird compromise since they had done so well with TR2013 before.
I'm hoping the PC version fixes the control issues, but ultimately I think the combat scenario themselves were also pretty underwhelming throughout the game.
Lots of other great stuff in there, though. It was a weird compromise since they had done so well with TR2013 before.
That one is even more mind boggling as it has way more combat than this did.
reviewers pls.
LordOfChaos
Member
Apparently the 360 had better input lag than the XBO iirc, from the DF tests? Hopefully that means it's something they can patch away soon, but yeah, it really should be shipped working better.
Wowfunhappy
Member
I mean, not really. It's certainly more likely to be a problem in more intensive games, but there's no direct relation.
What you usually get are lower frame rateswhich is a form of input lag, but not what's happening in RoTTR on the Xbox One.
I"m surprised you're aging PC increased input lag. If you weren't also getting framerate drops, this might have been a software issue (some strange process running in the background), or it could have been a placebo.
thetrin
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The input lag is definitely a thing, and I find the combat to be the weakest part of the game. I'm really enjoying the game, but the dead zone issue is a problem.
I'm in agreement. There's a lot I love about the game.
I'm in agreement. There's a lot I love about the game.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah I've been playing X360 and I was scratching my head at the OP.
Nixxes da gawds.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Heard people talk about this and haven't noticed it.
I sure hope so. 60 fps should help a bit as well.
Boggles the mind that the devs haven't said a word about this.
I just mentioned this in the other thread.
I have never once had an issue with input lag in my 30 years of gaming.
This is the first game I noticed it in. At first I couldn't figure out why the combat was so awful compared to the first game. Then it slowly started dawning on me that my inputs were lagging a tremendous amount.
It makes those wave-based battles in the game an absolute nightmare. I basically just have to spam poison arrows as I have almost zero accuracy given the lag.
Has Crystal acknowledged te problem at all?
I have never once had an issue with input lag in my 30 years of gaming.
This is the first game I noticed it in. At first I couldn't figure out why the combat was so awful compared to the first game. Then it slowly started dawning on me that my inputs were lagging a tremendous amount.
It makes those wave-based battles in the game an absolute nightmare. I basically just have to spam poison arrows as I have almost zero accuracy given the lag.
Has Crystal acknowledged te problem at all?
SuitedforGaming
Member
Played extensively through the game. My review of it is hereT.
The camera controls were okay-ish. I noticed they were clunky the first time I got into a shoot out, but the feeling only lasted around 5 minutes before I got used to it. Every once in a while it rears its ugly head, especially when enemies get very close to you, but aside from that I didn't find it to be worth mentioning. At least not as much as some people do.
The camera controls were okay-ish. I noticed they were clunky the first time I got into a shoot out, but the feeling only lasted around 5 minutes before I got used to it. Every once in a while it rears its ugly head, especially when enemies get very close to you, but aside from that I didn't find it to be worth mentioning. At least not as much as some people do.
Fredrik
Member
Same here. I went full on stealth and only used the bow though, as everyone should, might lessen the problem perhaps.
I was more annoyed that it ran at 30fps, not okay for an action game imo, but not even that hurt my experience enough to remove it from my GOTY list.
not a single person in this thread called it unplayable. it is very noticeable though