StereoVsn
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Substandard TIM is a huge annoyance with Intel chips. It is ridiculous at this point especially for their higher end chips.
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Rumor: Desktop Coffee Lake CPUs to be available Oct 5th
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Poot Poot Splash
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Worth it to upgrade from a 6950X?
Klik
Member
That would be great.I would gladly give 50$+ more and get i5 8500 since it's gonna be 6cores
Rushersauce
Banned
Just get the Ryzen, lol.
I don't think that would be an upgrade at all. You would get gains in single-threaded performance but lose alot on multi-threaded performance.
In your case, I think Ryzen would be the safest choice unless you went with the i7, but I think it'd be better to wait for reviews unless you're in a hurry, better make a completely informed decision than rushing to buy something before getting all information.
-shadow-
Member
I'm currently putting a PC together (from scratch), should I just put it together now with a 7700k or wait for the new line? I have no idea, but the new leaks seem promising and there's no rush, but still. The prices (going by OP) don't seem that much more than I would pay right now anyway.
If your intent is gaming, definitely wait, the 8700K is likely gonna be a better overall gaming CPU than the 7700K, especially in the long run (unless there's problems with the 8700K).
EDIT: Well, if your intent is not gaming, the 8700K is still gonna be an overall better CPU anyway. <-<;
Crimsonclaw111
Member
You and I both, though depending on the price perhaps the 8700k will be bought. I need ddr4 as well so this will be a major upgrade from 3570k and 8gb of Ram.
Well, for one the 1700 has 2 extra cores/10 extra threads than the 8600K, they'll just be slower than the 6/6 on the Intel chip.
For your use case, the more cores/threads the better if you're streaming while gaming and editing/transcoding video, so the Ryzen will totally be up to the task.
secretanchitman
Member
Same, can't wait for next year!
At this point I would not be buying a 4 core processor. Wait for Coffeelake, we should know more about it over the next few weeks or just go Ryzen 16/17/1800.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
Ryzen is literally badass. Why be upset? Your chip does not become anyworse.
I play an MMO where the game is nearly entirely CPU bound, I can use any slight upgrade I can get, lol.
It all depends if that MMO is being CPU bound due to lack of cores or CPU bound due to lack of performance per core.
If it's due to the lack of cores, an 8700K could be worth it, but unfortunately you'll need a new MB.
If it's due to the lack of single-threaded performance, then an 8700K is just gonna be a very small incremental update over the 6700K, if an upgrade at all (taking into consideration the 7700K got pretty much no single-threading improvements other than higher clock).
rakkadakka
Member
I'm in the same boat.
Come on Intel give me a good reason to upgrade from this old ass chip.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
is it worth upgrading my 3770k for gaming? Would be a pain in the ass to get a new motherboard and all that but this thing is pretty old at this point.
opticalmace
Member
That would be very impressive. At those clocks, I probably wouldn't even mind if they couldn't OC at all.
I'm on a 6700k which is very fast, but there is a slight temptation for these new parts.
-shadow-
Member
I'll wait a bit longer in that case. Will also help give the budget a bit of a bumb. Thanks! ^^
The Dear Leader
Banned
The 8700k looks tempting, might hold off on upgrading my 2500k for a bit longer.
dr_rus
Member
You'll be waiting for some time then. According to what I've heard (and plans change all the time so grain of salt and all) Icelake is a 2019 product. 2018 will be about CFL in the desktop and CNL (10nm 2C/4C) in mobile. Remains to be seen if they'll make any changes to the HEDT lineup but I don't think that they will until 2019 either.
LQX
Member
I might actually upgrade from my 6700K to this. I really miss my X99 system.
If you have not bought the motherboard yet and you're OK with spending at-least $100 more I would.
If you have not bought the motherboard yet and you're OK with spending at-least $100 more I would.
dr_rus
Member
You should. With the new CPUs on 5th of October.
Literally havent bought anything yet lmao , I just bought the CPU coz i saw a good deal on it at Frys 260$. I can always go back and return it since its sealed.
Would the new motherboards be available it as well. I mean the Z ones for overclocking.
I got a 1080 ti as well , and dont want it to be hanging around for months. I am currently waiting on my Case Phanteks Evolv shift which should be releasing in the next few weeks. If the intel is coming out a few weeks later I might as well hold out.
It's especially ridiculous, when they tell you to not OC a CPU that is specifically built to OC it.
Skyfireblaze
Member
I'm on 16gb RAM but yeah I will need DDR4 too of course. I'm open to buying AMD though depending on how benchmarks go.
Also I'm wondering is there such a thing as a PCI --> PCI Express adapter? I have a perfectly working Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer which I need for my headset and it's still a PCI model which I guess doesn't exist anymore on modern boards.
I guess its not right for Z170 owners like me to complain when even the Z270 motherboard isn't compatible with Coffee Lake. Oh well.
Gaf, coming from i3-6100, is a used i5-6600k at $190 a good deal? Hoping the i5 will last atleast a couple of years for gaming. Pairing it up with GTX 1060 6GB.
Gaf, coming from i3-6100, is a used i5-6600k at $190 a good deal? Hoping the i5 will last atleast a couple of years for gaming. Pairing it up with GTX 1060 6GB.
dr_rus
Member
CFL-S will launch with Z370 chipset which is basically a refresh of Z270 with CFL support. Rest of 300 series of chipsets will launch around January 2018, with the rest of CFL CPUs.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/six_asrock_z370_motherboards_have_been_revealed/1
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
Urgh why need a new motherboard. How frustrating. How much better than a 7700k would it be?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Hmmmm....I may finally pull the trigger on building a new rig.
I'm still on an i7 2600K OC'd to 4.5. I've gone through 3 video cards on this current rig (GTX 570, GTX 970, and currently running a hand-me-down Titan X that I got for free (the original Maxwell chipset)).
I'm running a 3570k / 970 / 16gigs of ram, so I'm thinking this should be a nice step up. Although my question would be if I should just get an i7 7820x and how it may compare. I want to jump to a 1440p Gsync Ultrawide which means I'll be spending a good amount of money to run it properly at higher framerates. My only holdup is figuring out when Volta will release. I'm hoping Q1 of 2018 as I really want to go all out for a high end setup since upgrading to SSDs.
For gaming performance per core is still king. So the extra two cores in the 7820x aren't going to be doing much for you. My guess is the 8700K is going to be better for gaming than the 7820x because it's clocked higher and will probably overclock higher yet.
The 7700k does better than the 7820x in gaming tests. So the 8700K is setting itself up to be the best cpu for gaming. Yet we need to see price points too and if the extra cost justifies an increase in performance.
If you really want an 8 core CPU the Ryzen 1700 with DDR3200 memory compares favorably with the 7820x in terms of gaming and is like half the price:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiy1kZaQT1s
Get a decent cooler and overclock it to 3.7-4ghz.
Specifically for your ultrawide resolution the 1700 and 7700k don't have a big difference either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtvCEF35C4
You would also have an upgrade path on AM4 platform for future cpus whereas you have none with Intel.
We need to wait for reviews but the 8700k is looking like a 7700k with two more cores.
The 7700k does better than the 7820x in gaming tests. So the 8700K is setting itself up to be the best cpu for gaming. Yet we need to see price points too and if the extra cost justifies an increase in performance.
If you really want an 8 core CPU the Ryzen 1700 with DDR3200 memory compares favorably with the 7820x in terms of gaming and is like half the price:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiy1kZaQT1s
Get a decent cooler and overclock it to 3.7-4ghz.
Specifically for your ultrawide resolution the 1700 and 7700k don't have a big difference either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtvCEF35C4
You would also have an upgrade path on AM4 platform for future cpus whereas you have none with Intel.
We need to wait for reviews but the 8700k is looking like a 7700k with two more cores.
Meh, I just bought a 2600K for my 1155 MB lol. You'll be fine.
By the time the 7700K becomes "useless" for gaming you'll be jumping to an 8 or 10 core cpu.
The 8700K is not going to phase out the 7700k as one of the top gaming CPUs. Especially if you have the 7700K overclocked.
The difference will be different from game to game, depending on how each game handles extra cores and threads. I don't think we'll see a set percentage difference.
If games start taking advantage of more threads it might be AMD that benefits the most with their 8 core 16 thread cpus.
The 8700K is not going to phase out the 7700k as one of the top gaming CPUs. Especially if you have the 7700K overclocked.
The difference will be different from game to game, depending on how each game handles extra cores and threads. I don't think we'll see a set percentage difference.
If games start taking advantage of more threads it might be AMD that benefits the most with their 8 core 16 thread cpus.
Delusibeta
Banned
Depends on the use case. If you're doing multitasking stuff and you need the threads, Ryzen 7s will probably remain a solid buy. If it's gaming, Ryzen 5s perform very similarly in games compared to Ryzen 7s, and are substantially cheaper. We shall see how pricing goes for the new Intel CPUs and motherboards, but I suspect that the Ryzen 5 + B350 motherboard combo will remain bang per buck champion for the foreseeable.
Games seem to be built for 8 threads or less. I doubt 8700k will outperform 7700k in games or OC better.
It means you should probably wait for reviews that compare the two.
coughlanio
Member
Sold my PC a few weeks ago (6800k, 1080) and will get this with another 1080 I think. Definitely a sidegrade but I'm taking the opportunity to go ITX at no cost to myself.
terencecah
Member
I would upgrade my CPU more often if it didn't involve a new mobo
Dirk Benedict
Member
Bastards.
shotgunbob04
Member
Don't worry everyone. If you can't or don't want to buy one of these Coffee Lake chips, just wait another 6-10 months and Intel will probably have 9th-gen chips with another new board for you.
I have a 6600K @ 4.5GHz paired with a 1080ti. I think I'll just get a 6700K for cheap sometime early next year. No point in replacing my Z170 board when I just want the extra threads for a few more frames in certain games.
I have a 6600K @ 4.5GHz paired with a 1080ti. I think I'll just get a 6700K for cheap sometime early next year. No point in replacing my Z170 board when I just want the extra threads for a few more frames in certain games.
MontlyCure
Member
I'm most interested to see what kind of TIM they use. I upgraded to a 7700k this year and while the performance is great, the heat issues have been incredibly frustrating.
It's great that we're moving to 6 core mainstream processors though.
It's great that we're moving to 6 core mainstream processors though.
Maybe I should stop reading Anandtech and HardOCP forums because from what I'm reading Intel seems like a hot mess right now. They pushed up the Coffee Lake CPUs and have the Z370 boards ready as refreshed Z270, but this is just a half step for the Z390 boards next year. Yet we don't know if the Z390 boards will offer anything substantial in them that board manufacturers have decided to implement on their own ( like USB 3.1). It's doubtful even that the Z390 will be compatible with what is coming next (Ice Lake, Cannon lake, I forget).
On top of this, there is chatter swirling the current 14nm++ design that Coffee Lake is based on for the 8000 series is more efficient than Intel's upcoming 10nm 9th generation chips. So does this mean waiting for 9th generation processors will lead to a partial step back? To me this sounds crazy but Intel has revised 14nm for awhile. Plus Intel is looking poised to crush their own recently launched X line of CPUs with the 8000 series cpus coming in October, so maybe they are just throwing out whatever they can and seeing what sticks with consumers.