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Rumor: Joker origin movie will feature a young, bullied Joker with a permanent smile
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SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
DC/Warner Bros.
Stop.
Fucking stop.
Just tell Patty Jenkins to create the entire damn DCU already!
Stop.
Fucking stop.
Just tell Patty Jenkins to create the entire damn DCU already!
1980's, an inner city convenience store.
Two gunmen burst in shooting in the air, the customers and staff hit the deck and find cover.
While one gunman raids the till and cigarettes the other keeps an eye on the store. He notices a young boy, he's smiling.
The gunman approaches the boy and says, in a 1930's movie gangster accent "nyaah whattya smilin faw kid? you some kinda joka?"
close up of the boys smiling face
cut to black, gunshots and screaming
Title
Joker: Super Dark and Real
Two gunmen burst in shooting in the air, the customers and staff hit the deck and find cover.
While one gunman raids the till and cigarettes the other keeps an eye on the store. He notices a young boy, he's smiling.
The gunman approaches the boy and says, in a 1930's movie gangster accent "nyaah whattya smilin faw kid? you some kinda joka?"
close up of the boys smiling face
cut to black, gunshots and screaming
Title
Joker: Super Dark and Real
Goddamn, why did we never get Willem Dafoe Joker
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
He was so good in Death Note that I almost forgot I'm watching a mediocre movie.
After watching Americans Gods I'm reminded how sad it is we never got Crispin Glover as The Joker. Dude would have been perfect.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
JOKER DOESNT NEED AN ORIGIN YOU FUCKING TOOLS
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It becomes clearer and clearer that they are trying to humanize The Joker. Whut.
Sad Affleck
Member
You're going to wish Snyder was back.
I already wish Snyder was back.
TrueDefault
Member
So edgy.
I'm so sick of the Joker, can't they stick several good writers on ANY other villains and make them popular instead?
I'm so sick of the Joker, can't they stick several good writers on ANY other villains and make them popular instead?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Let's break this down:
1) De Niro
2) De Niro
3) The people who's film he adapted for the only Best Director win he ever got.
Todd Phillips is asking WB to get Scorsese to put his name on the movie for no other reason than his vision is apparently inspired by 3 completely different Scorsese films and he needs the shot of legitimacy a name like Scorsese's can give him.
It's a savvy call, because if you google Scorsese right now, all you get are shitty entertainment news "reports" calling the Joker movie his, although neither Variety or The Hollywood Reporter could confirm Scorsese had even been approached, much less agreed to the job.
So what reason would Scorsese have to lend this film the legitimacy of his brand without any real personal connection to the people making it?
Todd Phillips wants his Joker movie to have Marty's name on it so he just... gets to have it?
Really?
If anything I could see shitty stories like this causing him to bail, because so far as anyone appears to be concerned, this is HIS movie and he hasn't contributed thought one to its pre-creation. Imagine being Martin Scorsese and realizing every stupid idea Todd Phillips has while chasing this Joker movie down is goign to be attributed to you.
GabeTheGrouch76
Member
The idea of "auteur-driven" DC films standalone from the DCEU was questionable as it is (it begs the question of why WB even bothered to establishing the DC Films division in the first place), but any hope for it turning out to be good is dead on arrival if this is the shit they're going to greenlight.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This movie is not getting made.
Shadow Broker
Banned
ForsakenLotus
Member
I really, really dislike the Joker with a permanent smile interpretation. I don't really like a Joker Origin movie in general, but if you have to do something give him the illness/disorder that makes him laugh at inappropriate times and make him laugh at a time of great heartache like his father being murdered (you COULD have both parents die and a family member or orphanage takes him in, but that's a little too on the nose for Batman's greatest villain) and laughing at the funeral could spark his new guardian to beat him. He can even have some psychotic break where he goes from laughing inappropriately but still feels emotions and some level of empathy to having psychotic breaks as a teenager. Then when he becomes the Joker something snaps and he no longer feels apathy.
This is if you have to do something. I'd prefer they didn't to be honest.
This is if you have to do something. I'd prefer they didn't to be honest.
"Permanently smiling" is what Joker does to his victims. It's not the case with the man himself.. Or at least that's the way I like to look at it.
Besides, from a visual perspective you gotta give the actor more flexibility. Unless he's wearing a mask, in which case the smile doesn't matter too much. His voice and body language do.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Most of the comics have it where his face is frozen in a smile.
Endgame, for example, goes out of its way to mention that he can only hold other expressions by taking muscle relaxants.
Screen versions drop this because they want him to be more expressive.
Its dark. Its like a dark Joker. As a kid, he had a permanent smile and everyone made fun of him. Its like on the streets of Brooklyn. Its super dark and real.
Hold on! There's more. Old women are comin'! And they're also in the movie and they're gonna come...and cross...attack...these two brothers. But let's get back to the brothers because they're- they have a strong bond! You don't wanna know about it here, but I'll tell you one thing.
The Moon. It comes crashing into Earth! And whaddya do then? It's two brothers and I- and...and they're gonna...it's called 'Two Brothers' ...'Two Brothers'...it's just called 'Two Brothers'!"
Hold on! There's more. Old women are comin'! And they're also in the movie and they're gonna come...and cross...attack...these two brothers. But let's get back to the brothers because they're- they have a strong bond! You don't wanna know about it here, but I'll tell you one thing.
The Moon. It comes crashing into Earth! And whaddya do then? It's two brothers and I- and...and they're gonna...it's called 'Two Brothers' ...'Two Brothers'...it's just called 'Two Brothers'!"
I still hold out hope that if Warner Bros ever does a live action proper The Dark Knight Returns fill (the animated one was awesome though), they'd cast Dafoe as old Joker.
Sigh.
Yeah, I imagine most moving visual mediums drop this aspect.
I'd kickstart the shit out of this venture
Strangelove77
Member
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Always-honest
Banned
Lol, dark and gritty. Suuuure.
Boombloxer
Member
All of this
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
The logical conclusion is that the Joker is the long lost twin brother of Bruce Wayne that was kidnapped from the hospital after birth. Martha and Thomas never knew. That's why Martha became the Joker in Flash Point after she took up her other son's mantle like Thomas took on Bruce's. It was always the Wayne family. Or at least that's what makes the most sense. At least to me.
The best way to handle the Joker is to leave him without a past. Like they did in TDK. He is far more scary without a backstory.
The best way to handle the Joker is to leave him without a past. Like they did in TDK. He is far more scary without a backstory.
Frozenprince
Banned
Screw it then lets just get as dumb as possible.
No. First off, the Joker DOES.NOT.NEED an origin story. Force-of-nature villains like him dont need an origin story.
Second, if you really, really need to tell a Joker origin story making him an emo loser is not the way to do it. We should never pity the Joker. It only makes him look like a bitch. Make him like Alex DeLarge. An ultra-violent right from the start but was subjected to terrible experiments to make him conform with society. So that when he conquers his personal demons and reverts back to his murdering ways, we the audience could root for him.
SoulUnison
Banned
What a fundamental misunderstanding of the source material.
Giving the Joker a definitive origin story ruins the character.
The only way I'd accept a "definitive" Joker origin story is if the movie unapologetically and constantly contradicts itself, like some kind of extended fever dream sequence.
Like, have the character's wardrobes change randomly between shots with no attempt at an explanation.
Have the same character played by a different actor/actress every time they appear on screen with nobody reacting oddly to it.
A character that blatantly dies on-screen shows up casually later and everyone just accepts it.
Identical twins of characters can be seen casually hanging out in crowd shots.
Two actors entirely switch roles halfway through a scene and finish the movie that way without attention ever being called to it.
Doorways and staircases lead to impossible places but nobody bats at eye at it.
That sort of thing.
Make the "joke" of the movie on the audience for expecting to understand the origin of a character like The Joker.
Giving the Joker a definitive origin story ruins the character.
The only way I'd accept a "definitive" Joker origin story is if the movie unapologetically and constantly contradicts itself, like some kind of extended fever dream sequence.
Like, have the character's wardrobes change randomly between shots with no attempt at an explanation.
Have the same character played by a different actor/actress every time they appear on screen with nobody reacting oddly to it.
A character that blatantly dies on-screen shows up casually later and everyone just accepts it.
Identical twins of characters can be seen casually hanging out in crowd shots.
Two actors entirely switch roles halfway through a scene and finish the movie that way without attention ever being called to it.
Doorways and staircases lead to impossible places but nobody bats at eye at it.
That sort of thing.
Make the "joke" of the movie on the audience for expecting to understand the origin of a character like The Joker.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Fuck no.
Rule #1: Ben Parker is dead
Rule #2: The Joker doesn't have an origin, a name or a clear motive. He also doesn't actually want to kill Batman.
Rule #3: Ace the Bat Hound is Alfred's only friend
Rule #1: Ben Parker is dead
Rule #2: The Joker doesn't have an origin, a name or a clear motive. He also doesn't actually want to kill Batman.
Rule #3: Ace the Bat Hound is Alfred's only friend
I'm reminded of American Psycho / Memento and I'm into it, I'm totally into a "Joker origin story" movie if they end up mixing in every proposed origin for the Joker and made some fever dream unreliable narrator sequence, almost as if Batman is attempting to pinpoint who the Joker is but hits several snags along the way, eventually giving up.
BrassDragon
Member
This is an extremely thin pitch... you have all the talent of Hollywood on speed dial and this is what gets you excited to greenlight a movie? At least 'Wonder Woman fights the god of war in WW1' or 'Batman goes dark and tries to kill Superman' are high concept ideas (with varying success of execution.) This sounds like the most obvious idea ever.
I don't get these WB people, I really don't.
I don't get these WB people, I really don't.
StrawberryJam
Member
The blood sacrifice that DC made for Wonder Woman demands 5 more garbage films, else the world would fall apart.
adamsappel
Member
This reads like Shutter Island, a movie that infuriated me on first watch because it seemed so sloppily made. Spoiler:
Everyone is just pretending to investigate the crime.