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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Yeah, I would have expected them to do it via the handheld. That is, if you want offscreen then you buy the handheld. If they have an optional (has to be so not to kill cost) shell controller that can stream from the NX that's pretty nice.
Lilalaunebaer
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I hope the screen controller would either be optional OR that the sources´ info isn´t 100% and in reality the future handheld can be used as a screened controller for the home console and then for remote play too.
I just don´t want the system to have an increased price point because of that :|
Oh well, we´ll see.
I just don´t want the system to have an increased price point because of that :|
Oh well, we´ll see.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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As to the Polaris rumors; imho I don't think Nintendo's going straight Polaris, but they could do what MS did w/ nVidia for the OG Xbox's GPU. So basically what is already posted, but it may be possible Nintendo's version is attuned for features they are developing themselves that aren't necessarily part of the Polaris line?
They could maybe do something like that if it meant a cheaper APU design, but I guess that also depends on how much R&D Nintendo's put into that area, which would depend on how much they know of and how long they've had access to Polaris tech.
They could maybe do something like that if it meant a cheaper APU design, but I guess that also depends on how much R&D Nintendo's put into that area, which would depend on how much they know of and how long they've had access to Polaris tech.
mmmmmm, that remote play sounds fantastic
hopefully they keep the Wii U streaming tech in there so if you're within range of the console you can get that lag-free 60fps goodness
glad Nintendo seems to have learned the right things from the Wii U and they're not running away from the great features the console had despite it's failure
hopefully they keep the Wii U streaming tech in there so if you're within range of the console you can get that lag-free 60fps goodness
glad Nintendo seems to have learned the right things from the Wii U and they're not running away from the great features the console had despite it's failure
You might like it, and that's cool, but most Americans don't care. They have multiple TVs and don't NEED to play games while they poo or whatever. It's a cool extra feature, which is why it should be optional. It can't be something they dedicate resource or budget to IMO.
I have no idea if LM3 is a launch game. Likely 2017.
I'm not promising anything. My sources are. None of this is my info. Only the speculation parts to help understand stuff.
It's likely if Nintendo goes the gamepad route again, it will be two different streaming experiences: the existing no-latency 60fps when near the home console, and remote streaming will be like the others where it tends to be 30fps with input latency.
And that's just due to physics.
The GamePad we have now runs on Wireless N @ 5ghz and saturates 99% of the bandwidth N can give just pushing 480p. This is why it's so strict on it's range, because it can't allow too many dropped packets and the higher you go in GHz the worse your range (and wall penetration) gets. This is also why if any game supported two GamePads, it had to do 30fps (alternate frames to each pad) - it wasn't due to the console's horsepower, but the fact that there was literally no bandwidth left to push two 60fps streams over N.
Nintendo may have to eat a massive loss if they want the NX Console to catch on in that case. But after the the 3DS's rocky start & the Wii U's failure, I'm not too sure if Nintendo would be willing to take such a loss.
That being said, given rumors of Super Mario Maker & Splatoon getting ported over, it was starting to look like the NX Platform would retain dual-screen gameplay.
This is what I'm hoping for.
LostDonkey
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Remember when Nintendo consoles used to be beastly.....
BRING IT BACK!
BRING IT BACK!
Francokid1
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I'd like the gamepad to return. I wonder if Nintendo can release a strong console + screen controller + good price.
Yeah, the Wii U gamepad actually has a lot of tech inside of it. Sounds to me like they're reducing what's inside to lower cost but still keep the functions thus keeping the system's price lower.
So how will they make this work with the SCDs? I could imagine it getting fairly complex with all the different add ons and stuff.
And it makes sense for them to go with newer tech. They want the handheld and consoles to be like brothers, and I firmly believe they want forward compatibility going forward, so investing now in the baseline tech will ensure in the future they can continue on this path.
Good going Nintendo, lets get it going.
And on the plus side, I haven't heard any devs say "lol CPU is shit, but you dont need a CPU to run Mario" or whatever lol.
and 2x the power is not much. remember consoles generally are 8 to 10 times as powerful as the previous one generally. 2x greater than PS4 or PS4k isn't that much, and would most likely just effect stuff like frame rates/ai and stuff I imagine.
And it makes sense for them to go with newer tech. They want the handheld and consoles to be like brothers, and I firmly believe they want forward compatibility going forward, so investing now in the baseline tech will ensure in the future they can continue on this path.
Good going Nintendo, lets get it going.
And on the plus side, I haven't heard any devs say "lol CPU is shit, but you dont need a CPU to run Mario" or whatever lol.
and 2x the power is not much. remember consoles generally are 8 to 10 times as powerful as the previous one generally. 2x greater than PS4 or PS4k isn't that much, and would most likely just effect stuff like frame rates/ai and stuff I imagine.
platina
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This would make sense, but 10k if you could please elaborate more on this?
James Scott
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Having shortages would probably be better PR than having too much stock. I think Nintendo made like 10 million for the launch window on Wii U and only sold like 3
LordOfChaos
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The Primitive Discard Accelerator by the way is a Polaris feature, not exclusive to NX/Nintendo
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/
It is similar to what some devs ended up doing with the Cell to make up for the RSX, or even now some use the asynchronous compute ability of new GPUs to cull the GPUs own render work in the next frame!
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/
It is similar to what some devs ended up doing with the Cell to make up for the RSX, or even now some use the asynchronous compute ability of new GPUs to cull the GPUs own render work in the next frame!
Yeah, too good
Ditching the handheld feels like a terrible idea. I guess the controller will take up that role but ehhh...
Yup.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
10K's gimmick contradicts Nintendo's most recent statement about the NX:
You choose who to believe.
Nintendo President Tatsumi Kimishima said:
You choose who to believe.
100% disagree. If LM2 had managed to join all the missions together into giant mansion-puzzle-fests, then it would have been a better game. The fact that you 'reset' back to the start and the house was in a different 'state' each time rubbed me the wrong way.
I think a fusion of the 2 games would be a perfect luigi's mansion. Take away the mission structure, add back in the ghosts with personalities/faces, and then keep everything else from LM2, and you have a big big winner.
They could pack it in too for a specific bundle. I do miss the way they did things with having 2 controllers packed in like the N64 did.
ultrazilla
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If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Sorry but I'm not buying any of these NX rumors.
NeoGAF really, really need to walk back their excitement.
I think you're being worked worse then a WWE crowd.
You can go to jail for breaking NDAs. There's no way developers are letting
things get out like specs, etc. At most, a few small things may be legit but other
pranksters are jumping in muddying the waters with outlandish claims.
For example, there's no way on Earth I see a Nintendo launching at a loss. They've always made positive money on their hardware launches. Heck, it's pretty much one of their philosophies.
As for system power, Nintendo has repeatedly said they don't see themselves in console
wars with MS or Sony. For the NX to be more powerful than a PS4 and possibly on par with a PS4K while still selling at an affordable price....I just don't see it.
Fair warning Nintendo fans. Dial back your expectations big time. Better to be surprised then let down.
Sorry but I'm not buying any of these NX rumors.
NeoGAF really, really need to walk back their excitement.
I think you're being worked worse then a WWE crowd.
You can go to jail for breaking NDAs. There's no way developers are letting
things get out like specs, etc. At most, a few small things may be legit but other
pranksters are jumping in muddying the waters with outlandish claims.
For example, there's no way on Earth I see a Nintendo launching at a loss. They've always made positive money on their hardware launches. Heck, it's pretty much one of their philosophies.
As for system power, Nintendo has repeatedly said they don't see themselves in console
wars with MS or Sony. For the NX to be more powerful than a PS4 and possibly on par with a PS4K while still selling at an affordable price....I just don't see it.
Fair warning Nintendo fans. Dial back your expectations big time. Better to be surprised then let down.
Yeah, especially in Japan (who, for the most part, doesn't really give a shit about consoles).
Dark Cloud
Member
I think it will be optional (meaning regular controller with NX) and they'll have a bundle with it. Nintendo doesn't want to make their system a high price again.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I knew FFVII Remake wasn't happening up there. What they might do tho (if it does turn out Sony isn't co-funding it, tho I don't see why Sony wouldn't be co-funding the game) is use FFXV as a test to see how good sales are, and if they measure up, could consider a FFVII remake port down the line.
so what if these are the options at launch:
1. nx main console: $299.99 with normal controller, comes with a digital splatoon or whatever
2. nx deluxe console: $399.99 with fancy screen controller, comes with a physical zelda game plus the digital splatoon.
for those who bought the standalone, you can buy the screen controller separately for $199.99 and it comes with an scd in order to function, but you can't play it on your tv, and it doesn't come with a game. this is essentially the new handheld, and may get an upgrade in 2017 so that it's an all-in-one device with a clamshell design.
I think you would be very surprised.
Most people don't want to move a console from room to room.
reelbigtink
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If the name "Stream" ends up being real wouldn't it make sense to stick with blue cases instead of the potential red ones we've seen mocked up here?
Or yellow cases for laughs
Or yellow cases for laughs
All we can do is wait and see.
I don't think you're interpreting that correctly.
For price if that is true, I bet they'll take the loss initially for the future gains of building their new forward moving base. im betting on 299.99 or 349.99, they'll take a loss on it for sure. After all as we see with Miitomo, Nintendo's new goal is about building up brand awareness and regaining customers for a long term benefit.
They invested a lot of money in the gamepad, which has kept the cost of the WiiU from being discounted, potentially at the cost of greater sales but less revenue. There was almost zero chance they would abandon something they invested that much money on. Besides, it's a great controller with a lot of tech packed into it and if they improve on it? Damn.
The controller is going to have an NFC chip for amiibo. The gamepad is already built for that. Hell it almost looks like a test model for a portable device, but their vision was limited by the technology of the day.
So I don't understand the surprise some of you have for another screened controller. I doubt Nintendo blames the gamepad for the WiiUs failure, and they shouldn't.
The controller is going to have an NFC chip for amiibo. The gamepad is already built for that. Hell it almost looks like a test model for a portable device, but their vision was limited by the technology of the day.
So I don't understand the surprise some of you have for another screened controller. I doubt Nintendo blames the gamepad for the WiiUs failure, and they shouldn't.
But where would that leave games such as Super Mario Maker & Splatoon, both of which rely on a second screen?
Dark Cloud
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Luigis Mansion 2 was clearly designed as a handheld game with missions. It was a great game, but I prefer the first one and if LM3 is on the console I hope they make an open world game where you can walk to multiple mansions.
Fahzgoolin
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Thinking this positively about Nintendo automatically makes me default back into cautiously anxious.
Luigis Mansion always looks great on its respective console. A modern looking one would look amazing...
Luigis Mansion always looks great on its respective console. A modern looking one would look amazing...
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