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Sean Murray at GDC 2017 : Building Worlds Using Math - Q&A too!
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orthodoxy1095
Banned
It wasn't different? The mere fact that such an indie studio was elevated to such a level of attention seems different to the presentation of their peers.
Compsiox
Banned
They made Killzone which is probably one of the most mediocre series ever.
Edit: Keeping those expectations in check I see.
How you say two diametrically opposing statements with a straight face, I'll never know. So are you jumping the shark by your own admission, or are you going to stand by your claim on Horizon's environments?
The game was definitely a technical achievement, regardless of how many times you saw a similar looking animal or whatever people constantly complain about with this game.
I'm sure this event will be ruined in some way, some idiot will think he's being funny or clever and try to disrupt things
I'm sure this event will be ruined in some way, some idiot will think he's being funny or clever and try to disrupt things
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
rip sean
Name an open world game you liked. Surprise, it was procedurally generated. Nobody hand-places all the trees and rocks and grass in something like FF15 or Skyrim or Horizon.
This is why talks like this are important, because when it comes to this technique most people have no clue what it is, how often it's used (a lot), or why advancements in it like the ones in NMS raise all boats.
StereoVsn
Member
That's a good point. Didn't it come out that the whole bit about generating solar systems was BS?
We all know what this thread will be about: how disheveled will be he? Or will be clean shaven, forgoing the "Punished Murray" look?
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That beard is fueled by lies.
esmith08734
Member
Honestly, I would love for No Clip to do a piece on NMS. There's a huge story out there that people don't know. I think it would really help Hello Games and get some closure, more than a simple statement could do.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
No Mans Sky is a pretty great example of how game development should strive to find the balance between the coders and artists wielding most of the power in a company.
In this case the coder took complete control, ran his mouth for years, and didn't realise far greater asset creation and gameplay were going to be required to make their maths actually interesting to players. What good is some intricate algorithm if all its input is different shades of "shit brown wasp model".
In this case the coder took complete control, ran his mouth for years, and didn't realise far greater asset creation and gameplay were going to be required to make their maths actually interesting to players. What good is some intricate algorithm if all its input is different shades of "shit brown wasp model".
Heckler456
Banned
Yes, that's all it did.
Sorry for the Bump, Just wanted to know if anyone is attending this particular Q&A .Thanks
we may have an answer to that on the horizon!!
we may have an answer to that on the horizon!!
Gamezone
Gold Member
We all know what this thread will be about: how disheveled will be he? Or will be clean shaven, forgoing the "Punished Murray" look?
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John Caboose
Member
We all know what this thread will be about: how disheveled will be he? Or will be clean shaven, forgoing the "Punished Murray" look?
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Lol holy shit the zz top image
My guess is he's shaved!
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/03/sean-murray-unveils-hello-labs-will-incubate-more-procedural-tech-games/
That's uh... certainly something. Didn't they have pre-order numbers from Steam and Sony? Didn't they know how much of the PS4 game was shipped to retail? Other than that, not much of interest in that regard apparently.arstechnica said:
I don't believe for a second they thought they would only have 3-14k concurrent players.
bitbydeath
Member
Only on GAF where NMS threads devolve into YouTube comment quality.
The tech is amazing.
antyk
Member
keraj37
Member
What they did is nothing really new. Still impressive though.
But for those that never heard about 96kb size FPS game: Kkrieger - World's Smallest PC FPS Game
Creators of Kkrieger should get all awards instead of Hello.
But for those that never heard about 96kb size FPS game: Kkrieger - World's Smallest PC FPS Game
Creators of Kkrieger should get all awards instead of Hello.
Holy shit lol
Thanks for this. This sounds really interesting so I'm gonna check it out
antyk
Member
In case you've missed it, GG presentation is available here:
https://www.guerrilla-games.com/read/gpu-based-procedural-placement-in-horizon-zero-dawn
Moon_frogger
Member
Those games don't have comparable situations. NMS was a shell of the game Murray promised and he literally went on a cross country promotional tour, appearing on late night tv shows and other high profile programming to lie about what was in the game, even nearly days before release.
He put on the show of this down to earth, plain spoken honest dude and set specific expectations for his game that could never possibly be met.
This isn't the same as watch dogs getting a visual downgrade or being boring. The things Murray was promising, weeks and days prior to release, were astounding.
And before someone tells me I shouldn't have believed the hype or Bought the game, I didn't, and I didn't.
I'm not in any way angry or bitter about NMS, because I was never invested in it. I found the whole situation pre release with its hostile defence force and then the subsequent meltdown on release to be highly amusing. I think they really set a new precedent for mismanaged expectations at best and lied about a whole lot of things at worst.
keraj37
Member
This is good post (a bit offtopic though), and I would like to add my 2 cents.
Grownup man should have courage to say "I really sorry, I was lying.". So in this World, where so called politicians and other people "who love entire world" lie everyday and without any consequences I really like that internet community and gamers didn't let him go lightly with that. Good job guys.
antyk
Member
I think everyone should watch the video linked above.
It is pretty clear that Sean is incredibly enthusiastic about the game and the underlying tech. The number of issues he/they had to solve is staggering and I wish people appreciated the effort. Also, saying that he's "put on the show of this down to earth, plain spoken honest dude" is simply disingenuous because he is exactly that - he is a talented, very clever and experienced programmer whose idea happened to ignite an incredible hype, with people building their unrealistic expectations about what the game is going to be. I subscribe to the view that he - having no PR experience - simply couldn't handle the press and the hype-train it created, couldn't tell "no" to questions and - perhaps? - he really thought and believed those things (multiplayer, surprise at the centre of the universe, etc.) could and will be patched in, even if not at launch.
Having said that, he really should have just go out and apologise, explain what happened and why and then lay out the plan for future updates, so that the world could move on.
I've not played the game yet (open world, let alone open universe is not my type of game) but I will after few more updates and a price drop.
It is pretty clear that Sean is incredibly enthusiastic about the game and the underlying tech. The number of issues he/they had to solve is staggering and I wish people appreciated the effort. Also, saying that he's "put on the show of this down to earth, plain spoken honest dude" is simply disingenuous because he is exactly that - he is a talented, very clever and experienced programmer whose idea happened to ignite an incredible hype, with people building their unrealistic expectations about what the game is going to be. I subscribe to the view that he - having no PR experience - simply couldn't handle the press and the hype-train it created, couldn't tell "no" to questions and - perhaps? - he really thought and believed those things (multiplayer, surprise at the centre of the universe, etc.) could and will be patched in, even if not at launch.
Having said that, he really should have just go out and apologise, explain what happened and why and then lay out the plan for future updates, so that the world could move on.
I've not played the game yet (open world, let alone open universe is not my type of game) but I will after few more updates and a price drop.
Sad Affleck
Member
Sean Murray, talented as he may be, is a scam artist. He deliberately misrepresented his game on numerous occcasions, he claimed that it had features that it never did and he straight up lied multiple times on various media, even until a few days before launch. He and his company could have come clean way before launch, they could have been honest about the game that customers would get at launch and give them the chance to either choose to support them or cancel their preorders and evaluate the finished product later. Scamming your audience and apologizing later doesn't make it ok.
Shit happens during development, we get it. If you want to win the trust of your audience and maintain your credibility you come clean and explain everything in a simple manner before you take people's money. If you take the money knowing full well that you are taking them based on lies and then apologize you are a crook.
SolidChamp
Banned
Wow, I haven't heard any of this before.
It's like I said folks, it was "damned if they do, damned if they don't". I saw this coming. I said that nothing they did would scrub clean the internet's impression of them, and here we are, with people singing the same tune over and over again.
Even with the game being vastly improved and excellent in it's own right, stuff like this is still being posted.
Not saying that it's wrong for people to feel this way. Not in the slightest. I'm just saying I can't blame Sean Murray and Co. for keeping the heads down, their mouths shut, and just working nonstop to get the game where it needs to be. Actions speak louder than words.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
And damn fine action it was too.
Sad Affleck
Member
Words speak loud enough. An official announcement before launch about which features will be available on day one, which ones are going to come later down the line and which were scrapped would have sufficed. It would have cost them a number of sales no doubt, but that's what you have to do if you are an honest businessman and a decent person.
JazFiction
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