It depends on which version of Jay's story you're hearing.
Ok even if that's true, where's the alternate theory on what happened?
It depends on which version of Jay's story you're hearing.
It's possible that Jay knew who did it and helped them but it wasn't Adnan. Someone who Jay really was scared of would get him or Stephanie if he gave them away to the extent that he decided to pin it on Adnan instead.
If you just finished watching How to Make a Murderer then you know all about how cops and lawyers can make a witness say things that aren't true in order to put a narrative together.
Ok even if that's true, where's the alternate theory on what happened?
I've been saying that from the start of Serial season 1 but people dismiss that like it's science fiction.
I've been saying that from the start of Serial season 1 but people dismiss that like it's science fiction.
After listening to all of Serial, and trust me I'm a skeptic of investigators and witnesses etc, I just don't see a reasonable explanation that Adnan wasn't the perpetrator. Key number 1 for me is the fact he never attempted to call Hae after she was reported missing. His excuse that mutual friends were doing that for him is garbage. I know if my ex girlfriend disappeared I'd be doing everything in my power to find what happened to her.
I sorta feel like SK was a little too slanted regarding Adnan. Many of the episodes dealt with things that were beyond any scope of whether or not Adnan was guilty or not.
And fine you can argue perhaps he could have been found not guilty but I don't see any reasonable alternate theory and just too much evidence that Adnan did it. All the "problems for Adnan" that SK points out are too big of problems and the only counters are character counters. He's too nice or wasn't that messed up about the breakup. But for all of those there are things like he stole from the church. And other character witnesses that don't appear to be used in serial that say Adnan was kind of an asshole.
Jay said he happened upon the car during his normal routine. Then he couldn't identify where it was. Listen to Undisclosed. Jay's full of shit.
After listening to all of Serial, and trust me I'm a skeptic of investigators and witnesses etc, I just don't see a reasonable explanation that Adnan wasn't the perpetrator. Key number 1 for me is the fact he never attempted to call Hae after she was reported missing. His excuse that mutual friends were doing that for him is garbage. I know if my ex girlfriend disappeared I'd be doing everything in my power to find what happened to her.
I sorta feel like SK was a little too slanted regarding Adnan. Many of the episodes dealt with things that were beyond any scope of whether or not Adnan was guilty or not.
And fine you can argue perhaps he could have been found not guilty but I don't see any reasonable alternate theory and just too much evidence that Adnan did it. All the "problems for Adnan" that SK points out are too big of problems and the only counters are character counters. He's too nice or wasn't that messed up about the breakup. But for all of those there are things like he stole from the church. And other character witnesses that don't appear to be used in serial that say Adnan was kind of an asshole.
Damn you, now I have to listen to another podcast and get even further into the weeds.
Don usually worked at the Owings Mills LensCrafters location, but on the day of Lee’s murder, he claimed he was working at the Hunt Valley store, covering someone’s shift. The manager at the Owings Mills location verified Don’s alibi to police on February 1, even though she was not actually working with him, and specifically gave them the times that he clocked in and out, including to take a quick lunch break. The police never interviewed anyone who was supposedly working with Don at the Hunt Valley location that day.
The manager at the Hunt Valley location was none other than Don’s mother.
Don’s alibi didn’t garner further investigation until September 1999, just before the start of Syed’s trial, when the defense filed a subpoena under seal requesting that LensCrafters produce all employment records for Don — and those records showed that Don had only worked at the Owings Mills location that week, and had not worked at all on January 13, 1999.
Prosecutor Kevin Urick somehow learned of the defense’s request, even though it was sealed, and subpoenaed those records for himself. He then had a conversation with the LensCrafters legal department, who, a few days later, found an additional time card showing that Don had worked at the Hunt Valley store on the day of Lee’s disappearance/murder. (The information on that time sheet matched the information provided by the Owings Mills manager on February 1.) They provided this time card to Urick and to the defense, but only Urick’s copy came along with a cover letter emphasizing that Don’s mother was the manager at the Hunt Valley location. Naturally, Urick never mentioned that little fact at trial.
Don had two employee ID numbers: the one used on all of his other time cards, regardless of which location he was working at, and the ID number listed on the time card provided to Urick. According to the various current and former LensCrafters employees Ruff spoke to, employees only have ONE employee ID number, which they use to clock in and out regardless of which location they are working at for their entire period of employment at the company.
According to these sources, only a LensCrafters location’s manager has access to that location’s employee records. In other words, if this is true, the only person who could verify that Don worked at Hunt Valley on the day of Lee’s disappearance/murder is the manager of the Hunt Valley location — aka Don’s mother. However, the police verified Don’s alibi with his usual manager at the Owings Mills location on February 1, most likely over the phone. She should not have had access to Don’s time card on January 13, 1999, and should not have been able to verify his alibi with actual employee records — but as Don was working at Owings Mills on February 1, the suspicion is that he gave her the information she needed to confirm that alibi for the police.
I've never binged a podcast before til I finished this one today.
Man, I knew that there wasn't going to be a resolution by the end but I thought I might lean one way or another. Jay is the most annoying part, he's this malleable piece to the puzzle who's painted as this fish tale spinning poser. It's so frustrating because there's got to be some truth to his version of the story, he wouldn't just make all that up to avoid some irrational fear of being convicted for drug dealing or whatever far right conspiracy involves string pulling from the shadows. I just don't know what to make of why he's even involved unless it's as simple as he's the go to guy for shady happenings.
I binged season 1 and what an interesting case. I'm also hooked on this kind of podcast as well. I don't see much discussion here regarding the updates of the hearing. I googled but didn't find much info on what's going on with this. Wonder how this will play out. I'm not sure if Adnan did it or not but I never liked what I heard about Jay. With all the changes and inconsistencies it just makes it seem weird. I'm about to start season 2. Any other podcast I can listen to like this one? Or ones about stories.
Give me some names!I got a lot of fiction ones like this. :3
Give me some names!
I apologize for the bump so far after the fact, but I just listened to the entirety of season one (and the three little updates) all today after knowing nothing of the podcast except it's name and that it was popular.
So, wow. It was captivating to say the least. I wish there was a better conclusion to the case but I suppose that is normal. Sarah was a goofy and fun person to hear the story from, Adnan seemed so open and cooperative which really helped the show I think, and after it all I'm no closer to believing one side than I was this morning before I ever listened at all. I'm interested to see if his appeal process leads to another trial, and I would love to hear Jay's side of the story further.
Just based on what was presented (and the tiny little reading on it I did during my lunch break when I wasn't listening), I'm inclined to think Adnan is guilty, but really what do I know?
I may listen to all of season 2 tomorrow. I can listen to music/podcasts pretty much the whole workday.
Is anyone following the updates about Adnan?
This will get you up to date and is way more informative.
http://undisclosed-podcast.com/episodes/season-1/
Serial was basically chasing its tail.
Haha, I was already like ten minutes into the first episode when you posted this. Interested to get this take, too. She said she knows him personally? Like her brother was best friends with him? Could be weird, but I'll give it a shot.