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Sonic Mania (8-15-2017, SEGA/Taxman/Headcannon/PagodaWest, PS4/XB1/PC/NX)
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It was a fun level
. And it would be really cool to see it remixed and blended with another zone. Remember that pit with spikes you can't escape from? It leads to a whole new part of the stage leaving room for Hidden Palace elements or something else.
He does good work. I was just listening to his version of Hill Top Zone,though, and while it sounds great it misses the tone the original had, turning it from a folk/bluegrass tune with a harmonica into a jazz remix that doesn't really match the level.
The music for Studiopolis is really good.
BlazeHedgehog
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That one got it wrong, too
It should be a harmonica, not a sax. And a banjo, not a guitar. Jazz doesn't fit the level at all.
Still my favourite Sonic track. Level isn't great though. It's way too stop/start. It doesn't flow nicely like some levels do.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Hill Top Zone should stayed on the cutting room floor with that desert level, hope Taxman and co aint bringing that back
That's the theme for where the yuppies live after they come back from camping in Hill Top Zone...
Also, one of the best songs in Sonic 2, suck it ^
Tizoc
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BlazeHedgehog
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That one got it wrong, too
It should be a harmonica, not a sax. And a banjo, not a guitar. Jazz doesn't fit the level at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-zKarT1KU
In Masato Nakamura's original demo version he sent to Sega, it was either a muted trumpet or a really shitty midi sax
Harmonica sounds gross!
Chezzymann
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You could say 20 years unless you think the adventure games are better
Edit: forgot about advance and rush
RomanceDawn
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That Ice Cap remix is on point! I've seen so many people complain how the fan projects get the physics, look and sound of the classic games so much more than SEGA's 2D offerings that I guess even SEGA was like ef it, just hire these guys!
It's all in how you use it.
In the process of finding that, I also stumbled across the Sonic Chronicles 25th Anniversary mix of Hill Top.
It sounds like a really shitty harmonica sample. Harmonica is perfect for the stage since it's a mountain. It's a folksy tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7s_8cfQuOM
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Quick question, going off some of the earlier talk, was it confirmed each original game (Sonic/2/3/Knuckles/CD) was going to get a remix zone?
If so personally I'd want:
Mystic Cave mixed with CD's Quartz Quadrant
Hydrocity mixed with Marbel Garden
Flying Battery mixed with Sky Sanctuary
Metallic Madness mixed with Wacky Workbench (evil I know)
If so personally I'd want:
Mystic Cave mixed with CD's Quartz Quadrant
Hydrocity mixed with Marbel Garden
Flying Battery mixed with Sky Sanctuary
Metallic Madness mixed with Wacky Workbench (evil I know)
Harmonica is typically associated with slow moving pieces which are usually sad.
I think the sax choice makes more sense due to its upbeat nature. People usually don't play the harmonica that quickly.
edit: After hearing the original CD track, that tempo makes more sense for the harmonica instrument although the slower speed makes the song sound sluggish.
Taxman was here earlier and confirmed we'd see content from both Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles.
I think it would be cool to mix Wing Fortress, Flying Battery, and Sonic 3 Death Egg. Have it be the wreckages crashed in the ocean with underwater parts or in a jungle with vines hanging that you can swing on/climb. I heard this really good remix of Sonic 2's boss theme that I haven't been able to find in forever. It was sombre, like a remembrance of Robotnik's failed glory. Always made me think it would be a great track for a level set in the ruins of his air bases.
All of the Sonic 2 demo tapes play at a reduced tempo, it's not just HTZ.
That one got it wrong, too
It should be a harmonica, not a sax. And a banjo, not a guitar. Jazz doesn't fit the level at all.
Historically, big band has been tied to mountain levels for Sonic.
Sweet Mountain, Red Mountain, etc.
rocky ride
SoulUnison
Banned
Haha, what is "Sonic Mania" is an in-universe game show @ Studiopolis Sonic's trapped in and the "classic zone remixes" are the place rearranging Danger Room style with holographic skins?
I'm drunk.
That's not true. You can make songs happy/sad by changing the tempo. If you play a sax slow you get a sad song. Harmonica is associated with blues, folk music, jazz, country, and rock.
https://youtu.be/rE3Oin1GqKk?t=30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lpidrIN3NI
https://youtu.be/gckGhM7GmWM?t=50s
Hill Top has a very hillbilly vibe to it, though. The main instrument sounds very much like a harmonica and the level is a grassy hill above the clouds. It's kind of a laid back level apart from the earthquakes.
Sweet Mountain is more of a level about donuts and sweets and rollercoasters. I think the "mountain" part is just a reference to Space Mountain, since neither involves actual mountains. The music makes me think of a candy wonderland. Red Mountain has more of an extreme volcano vibe going for it, and the music needs to be faster and more intense because the mission for that level is chasing the egg carrier.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Controversial but I think Sonic 4's Oil Desert or White Park have enough concepts which if redone in Mania's physics and CD influenced visuals/sound could be neat. Plus if nothing else, Episode 2's new badnik designs were overall pretty good.
It'd be hilarious if a Chaotix-themed stage in Mania forces the ring band mechanics on you for that zone alone. I imagine Taxman would work out a way to make that a halfway decent mechanic at least.
Milly Osworth
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Sonic got fat. Probably depressed from the last 20 years.
Nah, this is the true mash up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQupuT9WsA
I'm sorry but Sonic 1/CD Sonic sprite is the best. The Sonic 3 sprite made him look like the terrible American boxart Sonic.
I'd love to see Sunset Hill Zone, it was basically Green Hill but cooler and thats okay
So I'm super keen on it. Watched the trailer and some footage a bunch of times. Love Studiopolis, just full of little unique things.
Main consern right now is how much it gets "nostalgic" for nostalgia sakes. The Green Hill remix level is cool - looks like a whole new level is built on top of the old one, but a new Sonic game doesn't need to revisit anything ever again. It should be all new.
Sure, keep the trope of a Green hills style level, but I'm hoping the "classic" levels are just extra unlockable stuff and not part of the "core" set.
Main consern right now is how much it gets "nostalgic" for nostalgia sakes. The Green Hill remix level is cool - looks like a whole new level is built on top of the old one, but a new Sonic game doesn't need to revisit anything ever again. It should be all new.
Sure, keep the trope of a Green hills style level, but I'm hoping the "classic" levels are just extra unlockable stuff and not part of the "core" set.
Sir_Crocodile
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I don't want to see anything from the rush games, as their level design sucked. They'd basically have to make levels from scratch. Can't remember the Advance levels that well now, but Master System levels would be cool.
However since we're almost certainly getting an act from 2, 3, &K and CD, I'd prefer we didn't as I can't see us getting more then 10 zones, and I'd prefer as many 100% new ones as possible.
I'm interested in how different the remix levels will be. I imagine GHZ A1 in mania has so many original GHZ A1/A2 elements mostly because it's the first level. I'm hoping just the level aesthetic themes and a couple of original gimmicks carry over for the rest of the remix levels, with the vast majority of the remix stages still being entirely newly devised level design.
Bioshocker
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What kind of Special stage you guys would like to see on Mania?
I liked the labyrinth from the first Sonic, but I absolutely love the blue spheres from Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Sir_Crocodile
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It's NOT using the Sonic 1/CD sprite, it's using a redrawn sprite sheet with additional animations based on the Sonic CD sprites (since that had the most animations in the classic games). Tails and Knuckles will also be redrawn with additional animations as well.
Why not? People wanted a proper Classic Sonic game, and this game only has around 10 people working in it, easier to do sprite work than it is to do full blown HD vector art.
Solid SOAP
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There's always complaints about the graphics when a retro style game comes out... I remember people complaining about A Link Between Worlds' graphics because they didn't use sprites despite the game being made with 3D in mind. Now, the same thing is happening here despite the game being made with 2D in mind.
Have some faith in the developer's vision!
Have some faith in the developer's vision!
Hot Coldman
Banned
Here's hoping for a skin select!
aygomyownroad
Member
I like you. Sonic CD sonic was GOAT.
Because I imagine SEGA feels the ROI on a project costing a few hundreds of thousands of dollars is better than spending a few millions of dollars since the vast majority of people who this is targeted to probably prefer this aesthetics.
I would have appreciate a better budget from SEGA but I'm admittedly in a minority and people love this look so the company made the right call.
Seven Force
Banned
The Sonic 3 sprite is ugly as hell. Only decent thing to come from it was the Super Sonic sprite.
RowdyReverb
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I've been thinking of giving Sonic 4 a try just so I can understand some of the consternation. I heard episode 2 is a little better than 1
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