serversurfer
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13.5M was what Sony had shipped through September, not through October. Also, I don't think your NPD number is right either.
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Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
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13.5M was what Sony had shipped through September, not through October. Also, I don't think your NPD number is right either.
Chobel
Member
LOL! I thought we're done with people questioning Sony numbers.
Anyway they shipped to retailers 13.5 million unites WW as of 30th September 2014
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It's the same thing said to a lot of people before. "No way xbone take December " and it outsold ps4 for almost 300k of units. Yeah probably numbers will be a lot closer in the normal months, but if MS continues to be so aggressive in bundle and promotion, ps4 could miss the lead in US.
Its certainly possible they lose the lead in the US if MS keeps the bundles and price advantage, but I doubt worldwide MS has any chance.
But X1 sales did slow in December while Ps4s slightly increased and now it appears that Ps4 will be back on top in Janurary.
The gap shrunk from November to December, and will shrink again in January. It takes a couple months for hardware sales to level out post price drop. If the XB1 outsells the PS4 by a little bit in the USA, so what? It is not like the PS4 is selling poorly. Sony will take a near 50/50 split in the USA while dominating worldwide.
Heck, Sony hasn't even officially price dropped yet. Once they do they will get the type of bounce MS did with their aggressive November and December.
I take it you've just joined crapgamer and Misterxmedia in questioning officially released sales numbers? You're in great company.
Thornton Reed
Member
Do npd take into consideration sales from Amazon etc?
Nightengale
Member
Ah of course. It's not even in my mind. But look at the numbers, US sales are incredibly huge, probably 60% of the WW sales if not a little more. Missed the lead here it's not a good thing. Could give some trouble.
Yeah the holiday effect is over. I am surprised though. Looks like Sony will not have to cut price especially with the kind of games coming. A price cut at UC's release with bundles will ensure the hardware flies of shelves but until then going by these charts Sony does not need to do anything.
No. The "Sold to customers" was a GOOGLE TRANSLATION. Lol. See OP. Source is japanese.
Maybe they meant "sold/shipped to retailers" that would make sense.
But 4 million Units in 2 months only in europe+asia. How is that even possible?
So unless they've sold everything they shipped (which i don't believe) XB1 is at 10.5 million max sales.
I've added all XB1 numbers together with the recent french numbers in the Pal thread:
That leaves ~ 2 million consoles unsold for ROTW + Spain and Germany december sales
Pretty sure Kaz confirmed sold through to consumer at their CES keynote.
The US makes up 42% of the worldwide numbers.
Nightengale
Member
3 months.
13.5 million was shipped as of 30th September. It's a misconception that it was as of October.
Stop. Kaz Hirai confirmed sold to end consumers at the CES conference.
Are you that sure? Maybe US+UK then, looking to the Xbox sales.
That's what aqua said I definitely believe her.
Welfare
Member
10.0 million sold by August 12
13.5 million shipped by September 30
1.9 million in the US in November and December
4.1 million sold WW between November 23rd and January 4th.
18.5 million sold by January 4th
Looks legit.
Also I'd say the PS4 shipped 19.0m - 19.3m by December 31st
Correct, it was shipped as of end of September 2014.
What we know:
August 12th (as of either end of July or very early August): 10m sold to customers
By end of September: 13.5m shipped to retailers
By end of December: 18.5m sold to customers
US (NPD) sales between August and December 2014: 2.8m (rounding out on purpose)
Commonly accepted proportion of US Playstation sales vs world: about 33% (1/3).
2.8m x 3 = 8.4m
10m + 8.4m = 18.4m sold to customers
No discrepancy that I can see really.
It's a conspiracy!
Well if you're talking about Xbox, then of course the US is a huge percentage of their overall sales. But for Sony, US is a much smaller percentage because they sell higher amounts in other regions (but that doesn't mean they sell less in US than Xbox, but that's what spin using percentages can do). You can't use a percentage to emphatically say that the US provides X percentage of console sales because it has too many variables like how many consoles are sold elsewhere and how popular your brand is worldwide.
No.... this was never said.
The US console market makes up around 42% of the overall market. That's what was actually said.
Unless you can prove me wrong?
Chobel
Member
First: It's sold-through to consumers, Kaz Hirai said it in "English" at Sony CES conference.
Second: 13.5 million was shipped as of 30th September 2014, so it's three months and not two.
Third: Sony sold 1.87-1.89 mil in Nov+Dec NPDs.
shadowsdarknes
Member
He's been posting for a week and his posts have been nothing but fanboy charged rhetoric.
I recall her posting it in a Tread, unless I'm remembering wrong. Hopefully she's around and can verify.
Edit Isn't worldwide numbers and overall numbers the same thing?
It's a rough estimation but looking to the global sales, not seems completely crazy. Ps4 sell incredibly better in the rest of the world but slightly worse in US, Xbox notable worse in the rest of the world but better in US with not an incredible margin like ps4 in the rest of the world. That's where coming my estimation. Well I don't said it's exact math.
Yes, we've been discussing this topic worth more than 5000 posts, and you think you're the first one to think of this?
Jeez.
I could be wrong. But pretty sure the 42% number was nothing to do with Xbox in US.
Can you see if you can find the post?
I'm kinda curious how they come up with that percentage value. Does it account for more and more developing nations being able to buy consoles? Does it account for the continued stagnation of US purchasing power and tablet/phone popularity? Seems like you can't just emphatically say the US definitely has 42% of console sales because there are so many variables worldwide. Maybe that's the value derived month to month or was the value of last gen's total sales to this point? Where does the number come from specifically?
Yes.
Please let it be known:
Sony FY
Q1: April - June
Q2: July - September (what the 13.5m shipped was covering between Q1 and Q2 added to the ltd)
Q3: October - December
Q4: January - March
As a side note, due to the recent hack at Sony pictures, Sony Corp. just asked to postpone their submissions of quarterly securities report, but their FY meeting will still occur on Feb. 4th
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/info/presen/
Mr Moose
Member
ioi, is that you? Gotta find where those numbers come from!
It's not unbelievable.
Playstation has always sold more in ROTW than the US and we have some numbers from continental european countries that have PS4 outselling the PS2 by 6 months. Sony stated that they have good sales (4 times better than the next available console) in the middle east.
I don't give to Amazon so much reliability for a real estimation of the sales number.
Ps4 is leading for the month as well.
Agreed.
But then again I really don't expect the Xbox One to outsell the PS4 in the USA every month. It'll be close but I do believe the PS4 will sell more consoles again this year.
It's a fact they sold 18.5 million through to consumers. You may think that these things are some salvo in your own frustrating fanboy war, but since Sony could get in huge legal trouble for misreporting numbers at their Quarterly Reports, everyone knows that they're not going to game the works by fabricated numbers. There's not even a good motivation for it - you get very little return for such a lie vs. the huge penalty if you're found in such a lie.
On top of that, the sales numbers we have been able to follow confirm that Sony is indeed on track to hit numbers in these sorts of ballparks.
On top of that, if Sony were just going to make shit up about their systems numbers, why didn't they do it for PS3 or Vita or PSP during huge periods of time when their systems could have actually needed the boost of PR? It's funny how these nonsense conspiracies spread by console diehards always seem to be so selective.
You should deal with it Sorny that PS4 is where it says it is, and that you're going to be dealing with a long generation of numbers like this. It'll be easier for you bro.
I never said I didn't believe the number. But I call into question that it's a number that can remain solid at 42% when there are so many factors involved in it. At what point in time was the number 42%? Is that number based on current gen sales in the previous month? Is it derived from last gen's overall sales? Is it derived as of the month of December of Wii-U, PS4, XBO?
42% of console sales one month could be a different number another month. 42% is the total percentage of US sales for what slice of time?
Nevermind, I misread what you wrote.
Do you really think Sony would risk a lawsuit over console warz?
I am curious why do you think the gap will shrink in January? I expect the PS4 to outsell the Xbox one in the US and worldwide, which would grow it. Granted I've only seen things like Amazon rankings being indicators, but they've been right every month so far. Has any retail sources commented on January?
shadowsdarknes
Member
To Sorny:
If the PS4 only shipped 5 million consoles during FY Q3, that would be significantly worse than most PS3 Q3's.
18.5 million is their sold to consumers guestimate.
18.5 million is not part of their quarterly figures. We won't get their quarterly figure until February.
5 million would be unusually low for a Q3.
18.5-13.5 would only be 5 million shipped. They have 13.5 shipped by September 31st.
That's lower than the PS3 during Q3 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. By over a million.
So no, you're pretty much wrong here. Expect to see at the very least 6 million shipped
Expect to see ~20-21 million shipped to consumers by Dec 31st, 2014. The 18.5 million has been specifically said to not be shipped figures. But rather, sold through to consumers.
If the PS4 only shipped 5 million consoles during FY Q3, that would be significantly worse than most PS3 Q3's.
18.5 million is their sold to consumers guestimate.
18.5 million is not part of their quarterly figures. We won't get their quarterly figure until February.
5 million would be unusually low for a Q3.
18.5-13.5 would only be 5 million shipped. They have 13.5 shipped by September 31st.
That's lower than the PS3 during Q3 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. By over a million.
So no, you're pretty much wrong here. Expect to see at the very least 6 million shipped
Expect to see ~20-21 million shipped to consumers by Dec 31st, 2014. The 18.5 million has been specifically said to not be shipped figures. But rather, sold through to consumers.
This thread keeps on giving.
Anyone would get it, given his avatar. I still believe it's intentional.
What gave it away? Was it his name?
Anyone would get it, given his avatar. I still believe it's intentional.