Probably something to do with Star fox games being mediocre.
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Star Fox 2 - Review Thread
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Probably something to do with Star fox games being mediocre.
hardcastlemccormick
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Eurogamer mentioned it in their review.
Consider reading the review text, theyre actually quite good bits of writing that justify their own existence and portray a nuanced view of the game.
Lylat Wars is where it's at.
pretty done
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Well except 64 you ain't fucking wrong. Dont think I've ever seen a bigger series with only one game.
Blam
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Hmm I'd say PUBG GOTY, SF2 Most Anticipated
The IGN review is right on the home page, I don't know what's up with your link:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/27/star-fox-2-review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/27/star-fox-2-review
Davey Cakes
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The original Star Fox was a novel marvel of its time but it hasn't aged well at all. Despite being an N64 game (where early 3D become dated rather quickly), at least SF64 still has really smooth gameplay to make up for its other limitations.
I wouldn't expect SF2 to get "great" reviews in 2017. Mediocre to good, as the style just doesn't hold up. Recommending a game as a novelty or as a "for the fans" type of experience is different than recommending one outright as a must-play title.
purseowner
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Mobile site version broken it seems. Updated.
SaiyanRaoh
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Since we all know Nintendo won't make enough of the classic without fighting to possess one, has there been talk of someone from "the scene" ripping the rom so everyone can?
LordOcidax
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Using today standard (Controls) to review a 90s games.
Come on man
Foxy the Fox
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Star Fox 2 was so ahead of its time.
Every Star Fox game has taken something from it.
Every Star Fox game has taken something from it.
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
The prototype you see online is an Alpha Build that Aeon Genesis touched up to a state where they think it would be. It is missing the true multiplayer mode, it doesn't have the randomization of the All Range mode, and just in general is unpolished. It's an alpha build-the game is there but not completed.
these are the differences I've been able to observe between the leaked proto of SF2 and the final game reported, from embargoed footage and the text of the reviews. There's probably much more that will be documented when it becomes available to the public
-The game in general is much harder: enemies are faster and more agressive, charge shots don't lock-on (!), missile impacts do much more damage to Corneria (1 missile = 20% damage on hard mode), etc.
-The end-of-game ranking is harsher and more clear (letter grades instead of star icons)
-Collecting the general pepper coins apparently does something
Can you clarify what you mean? The prototype certainly does have randomized elements (planets, penultimate boss, etc).
-The game in general is much harder: enemies are faster and more agressive, charge shots don't lock-on (!), missile impacts do much more damage to Corneria (1 missile = 20% damage on hard mode), etc.
-The end-of-game ranking is harsher and more clear (letter grades instead of star icons)
-Collecting the general pepper coins apparently does something
Can you clarify what you mean? The prototype certainly does have randomized elements (planets, penultimate boss, etc).
I feel like to review this you're really going to have to do it from three positions:
A sequel to Starfox but before the release of Starfox 64; something close to objective.
As a game of its time - whether you roleplay the critical eye of a writer of that time (mentioning the fact that compared to Sony and Sega's efforts it's woefully rudimentary) or take more into account the game play over it's presentation.
Or; review it as it is - with 21 years of innovation between games today and it; or at least in regards to the performance and presentation of the other games bundled on the SNES mini.
Looking forward to finding out how it plays for myself come Friday.
A sequel to Starfox but before the release of Starfox 64; something close to objective.
As a game of its time - whether you roleplay the critical eye of a writer of that time (mentioning the fact that compared to Sony and Sega's efforts it's woefully rudimentary) or take more into account the game play over it's presentation.
Or; review it as it is - with 21 years of innovation between games today and it; or at least in regards to the performance and presentation of the other games bundled on the SNES mini.
Looking forward to finding out how it plays for myself come Friday.
Father_Brain
Banned
Should have emulated an overclocked Super FX.
Someone posted about already dumping it in one of the SNES mini threads.
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
I can't. Just going off what I have been told from someone who got a review unit. She just told me that it is more random feeling.
I genuinely think this IGN review might be the most off base one I've seen this year
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/09/27/star-fox-2-review
Like there's no appreciation for the fact that it's a game from 21 years ago. The video has all the charm of a NAVGTR Gaming in the Clinton years episode.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/09/27/star-fox-2-review
Like there's no appreciation for the fact that it's a game from 21 years ago. The video has all the charm of a NAVGTR Gaming in the Clinton years episode.
Too much space lol
Why would you judge a game on a system and made 20 years ago by modern standards?
I mean, the original Star Fox is still a great game so if it feels close to that, it certainly won't play like garbage.
Jawbreaker
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A lot of 90s games still hold up today. It's valid to review it from that perspective.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I'm pretty hyped to actually play this. I've known of its existence for years but never touched the leaked version. It's super odd/great to me to see reviews for it though lol
RadarScope1
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Sightly off topic but - saying Super Mario Kart and F-Zero have controls that have aged poorly?
Lord have mercy. This retro revisionism is getting way out of hand.
Lord have mercy. This retro revisionism is getting way out of hand.
Seriously, F-Zero controls and looks fantastic for 1991; I've played it recently on my SNES as well. To each their own, I suppose.
Probably the closest the game deserves. I've seen enough of the game to agree with IGN, the game looks bad (and no, I'm not talking about the graphics). It's almost nothing like Star Fox 1 and that game was (and is) good, so is Star Fox 64 (Lylat Wars), but Star Fox 2 was a weird experiment that went wrong.
Like I said, it's an intriguing curiosity at best. Nearly all of the other games in the package have aged just fine.
I disagree, I find that game unplayable. Stunt Race FX is the same. At some point the technical hurdles are too much to overcome these days.
Wait, so you've only seen the game but know that IGN was right and it was a weird experiment, despite the other reviews that are more positive than theirs?
"People will probably not enjoy this as much as I did in 20 years"
6/10
Dude I went back and played Super Mario Kart the other day and was shocked at how awful it felt. Maybe it's just a learning curve, but I'm just saying that I don't think this is an outrageous opinion.
Star Orpheus
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I admit I haven't played Star Fox 1 in a while(hopefully I can get my hands on a mini and change that)but I have no idea how you can consider it unplayable. Has it aged yes but that's like saying a movie from the 90's is unwatchable because of bad CGI.
I can't speak for Stunt Race as it's been years and years but I had a blast while playing the original Star Fox about a year ago.
If the entire movie is composed of trash-tier CGI and is animated at single-digit framerates, then yes, that movie would be bad.
I definitely appreciate Star Fox being ahead of its time and doing stuff nobody had done in the console space, but it's a product of its time.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I don't think it's unreasonable to say it's the worst game on the SNES Classic.
Star Orpheus
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Isn't that Kirby golf game in there?
On the other hand back in 1995/1995 3D games were still quite janky and gamers expectation for 3D games was much lower (see the early success of a mediocre game like Toshiden on PS1).
Not to talk of the framerate, back then 20-30fps was considered "smooth" (there were 60fps games like for example Virtua Fighter 2 but they were relatively rare).
Trogdor1123
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Cause it was only released now?
Honestly, in 90s Canadian pricing, with inflation, a lot of SNES games were $100.