Oculus Home has a tiny number of games, with a majority of the store's games also being on steam in the first place. Steam has way, way more VR titles than Oculus Home.
PSVR's store isn't launched.
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Take-Two's CEO (2K/Rockstar) weighs in on VR, doesn't sound very impressed
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Oculus Home has a tiny number of games, with a majority of the store's games also being on steam in the first place. Steam has way, way more VR titles than Oculus Home.
PSVR's store isn't launched.
qa_engineer
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AMD just did their part in bringing down the entry price for VR. Now every other manufacturer needs to follow suit if they want VR to hit mainstream. Sony is in the best position to do this.
Sangetsu-II
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Good thing we have PSVR a $300 system that works with seated experiences and doesn't need big rooms to work with...
Sounds like this guy is only talking about PC VR, not in general.
Sounds like this guy is only talking about PC VR, not in general.
qa_engineer
Member
Yep. Sounds like he talking about the Vive specifically which is the pinnacle of VR tech now.
All I know is what I've read. Poor shipments, plenty of backorders, people not getting their devices.
Of course I don't have sales data, but what is expected? 10 thousand devices, 100 thousand? Somehow, from all I've read, I have a tough time believing it's a million. Across both devices.
So, what is 2K's interest? Create a game to sell 10K copies total? Spend money and resources on such a niche market?
That's why I think that VR so far has failed, and that Sony is the last chance for its survival.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Completely agree
So you don't know what was expected and you don't know what they sold. You don't know that they are not yet out at retail or what is out is already sold out.
And yet you stated they flamed out. Without any kind of doubt. Maybe you didn't want to say flame out? Maybe you have no idea what you're talking about?
I sent back my Vive. My thoughts are that the tech has a future and the feeling of presence needs to be experienced to understand how amazing the tech is. Unfortunately right now the software isn't there and there are very few games worth playing. That will probably be the case for some years IMO. Until execs like the one in the OP really get behind these headsets, we won't get the AAA games that will bring users in.
Tatsumi Oga
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He's talking about it as if you really need a huge room for proper VR usage, do you?
Hale-XF11
Member
I believe the minimum for Vive room scale is 6.5'x5'.
qa_engineer
Member
What people don't realize is that the Vive supports seated games as well. But why do seated when you have the roomscale.
It is. I have the minimum space and my vive works brilliantly.
I don't know how accurate Steam Charts is, but the most popular Steam VR game seems to be The Lab, at an average of 135 concurrent players. Considering it's the main pack in that would put the total amount of Vives somewhere in the mid thousands I reckon? Together with Oculus Rift CV, I'm guessing some 10k userbase? If one third of those buy your game, that would mean you could invest, oh I don't know, one man month in a game?
qa_engineer
Member
Nope. Vive is approaching 70K users and the pack-ins are Tilt Brush, job Simulator, and fantastic contraption. Look up how many people total have played the game to date.
I learned quickly via project cars that seated is not for me. Cold sweats and nausea hours after taking the headset off. No standing experience made me even remotely sick.
The lab has 135k owners with 78k players total
Space Pirate trainer has 45k owners with 30k players total
tilt brush has 75k owners and 50k players total
Fantastic Contraption has 70k owners and 43k players total
your estimates are way, way off.
Now that you mention it, they did say that they sold 15k in the beginning, so I'm probably way off (on the other hand, it's not clear how many of those are sold to companies).
Actually it says 140k owners on SteamSpy? That would be pretty good.
edit ^ yeah I noticed.
I thought it was that low because I remember looking at the Hover Junkers stats a few days after it released and going yeesh.
If you want to monitor how quickly new VR software uptake is, keep an eye on the steam spy figures for Pool Nation VR, since it just launched a few hours ago.
poodaddy
Member
Yeah this is me. It's cool tech, but my apartment isn't even big enough to use vr, and I've got a pretty decent size two bedroom that's more than big enough for my wife and daughter. The space and price constraints are just too much right now. I don't think it's stupid, and I don't think it's a waste of money, I just think it's unfeasible for the vast majority of the populace.
qa_engineer
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I live in a tiny, and I mean tiny New York City apt and I made it work. Where there's a will there's a way. But yeah this isn't for everyone... yet.
family_guy
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This really only applies to the Vive right? PSVR and Occulus don't have the same requirements.
Mr.Marston
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...he is absolutely right.
Even with Vive you can play standing or seated without an issue.
Zalusithix
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Contacts? 16k per eye? Seriously, we don't need anything close to those things for it to be awesome or mass market successful. By those levels of exaggeration, TV wouldn't have been worth it for decades. "You know, this whole TV thing needs to be nearly invisible on my wall, with image quality indistinguishable from real life before it's worth getting one for my home." Computers would have never taken off because they were big, bulky and slow. Hell, cellphones still shouldn't be mainstream because they can't go months between charges.
There are things that need to happen before VR is ready for the mass market. Getting to the point where it is indistinguishable from reality with no inconveniences is not one of them.
What a lot of nonsense and unsubstantiated statements. Flamed out? Both the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift have been on back-order since release, and the minute it was available on Best Buy they sold out instantly. The demand is clearly there. What do shipment problems have to do with the viability of VR, or the success of either platform long-term?
As for early units sold, it's still an enthusiast product, but here is some data to go by (as far as SteamVR is concerned):
Steamspy data:
Audioshield owners: 45,510 ± 5,123
The Lab owners (Free): 141,520 ± 9,034
Fantastic Contraption owners (pack-in): 69,702 ± 6,341
I'd say that's a very healthy start for just one of the two expensive devices, at two months in, and despite back-orders.
As for PSVR being the savior of VR, I can't help but laugh at the idea that a VR headset on a closed-platform, a console of all things, is going to determine the success of VR.
It is all a possibility, one way or the other. Maybe it's a success, maybe it's a flameout. I have no idea.
And when that's the case, I tend to agree with a named executive of a multibillion company, and not with some random forum user.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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I played several Lab games at a party recently. Stopped by the Windows Store for their Vive demo as well.
Walked away unimpressed. Just a different way to experience the same old games. Wasn't that different from 90s VR either, save the paint demo.
Walked away unimpressed. Just a different way to experience the same old games. Wasn't that different from 90s VR either, save the paint demo.
I mean, that's how a CEO of a company that makes billions(?) thinks... companies like Take Two and EA are probably going to be taking the wait and see approach, since everything they do has to get approved by suits and said suits are not going to want to take risks on emergent technology / something that could potentially limit their customer base.
Once the tech is in consumer hands by the millions, watch how quickly their tune changes.
Japanmanx3
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Sound words tbh...
On the flip side I live in a house in the uk, and I don't have the room for minimum requirements. I'd like to have, it's not a cost issue or a not want issue, purely it's not practical.
This guy gets it.
I cringe when I hear/see people compare VR to 3D TVs, PS Move, Kinect. The way VR has excited multiple industries (automobile, space, medicine, more) pretty much goes against the notion that VR is "just another gaming gimmick" (Not quoting anyone specific, just an example of what I've seen presented).
Pro from Dover
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When will the tech be available and affordable to use within my future affordable and spacial friendly isolation tank?
Interfectum
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You don't think a console can help determine the success of VR but a gaming PC will?
IMO, neither will determine VR's success. It'll be a device that's not dependent on either.
I didn't say PSVR wouldn't help, especially with some early adoption from console users, but the VR industry's fate isn't going to be saved by a VR headset on a closed-platform console. VR will thrive, a lot of which is beyond even gaming, on open-platforms that have use-cases throughout several industries, and this will be done on PC and Mobile.
The Faceless Master
Member
so what you're saying is they should make a game that will turn a profit at ... ~10k units? so, a $15,000 game?
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
He's right you know.
VR is going to be a product with niche appeal for a long, long time, if not forever.
VR is going to be a product with niche appeal for a long, long time, if not forever.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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I'll wait for the Humble Bundle.
RiccochetJ
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I see his point. I hope Valve comes out with something that makes VR a must have. After watching GiantBomb go through a lot of the games, there's nothing right now that's convincing me to take the plunge.
Calm Mind
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Comedy gold.
MaulerX
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It's not about VR being successful or not on the long run. That remains to be seen. It's about you making some hyperbolic statement with no base in reality.
A $2000 entertainment device and a room dedicated to it, is pretty close to hyperbole, and I would expect better from the CEO of a major game publisher.
You don't need a $2000 entertainment device. You need a relatively expensive PC but that cost of entry is already dropping with $200 GPUs. And you can use those PCs for other things too.
And you don't in any way need a room dedicated to it. You need a few square metres of clear space but again, you can use those rooms for other things too. Guest bedroom with a foldaway bed? Slide the coffee table to the side of the room, you can swing your arms over the sofa area. Lots of ways to make the limited space you need
You don't need a $2000 entertainment device. You need a relatively expensive PC but that cost of entry is already dropping with $200 GPUs. And you can use those PCs for other things too.
And you don't in any way need a room dedicated to it. You need a few square metres of clear space but again, you can use those rooms for other things too. Guest bedroom with a foldaway bed? Slide the coffee table to the side of the room, you can swing your arms over the sofa area. Lots of ways to make the limited space you need
GuitarAtomik
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Do you want to point to the part in the OP where Zelnick calls it a "flameout"? Can you define "flameout"?