Zen_Arcade
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We both know that even if this game does well they'll shelve it for another decade. Imagine Pikmin 4 with PS4 level graphics.
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Jaded Alyx
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Most Wanted U should have given them a clue already.
if someone is biased then no clue will work to change opinion.
But....but.....but...... the Wii U is crap because they lowered the car count.
Hmm so it turns out that there is conflicting information out there, but it seems like the game will be 30fps.
There are a couple article touting that the game will be 60, but this eurogamer video shows them doing a performance test on the game with 30fps as the base line and never once going above it, only occasionally dipping below.
Out of Working Order
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These shots are probably "fake", like the photo mode in Endless Ocean games.
There's nothing amazing here technical-wise. It's just great art design.
Doesn't really matter. The end result matters. Looks good? All is well.
Out of Working Order
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Absolutely. I was responding to somebody that thought they were 'fake' because they look so good.
Pikmin 2:
Pikmin 3:
Man, that is a stark difference.
Ah yeah I read lots of them type of comments in this thread and similar threads. The game doesn't look out of the ordinary for a system like the Wii U at all. It's one of them games that's greater than the sum of its parts. Individually you'll see low res textures here and there but everything comes together amazingly well. A really sense of synergy between all the visuals and assets. That's not to say it doesn't have some great graphical effects going on either.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
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Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
No, looks like uprez pikmin 2.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Pikmin 2:
Pikmin 3:
Wow Nintendo couldn't even do better than Pikmin 1 graphics. Fucking lazy bastards.
boiled goose
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It is definitely an upgrade, but the terrible textures, lack of any AF, and the low poly count really hurt the overall look.
Also no AA.
It just looks inconsistent.
We have yet to see a Nintendo graphical powerhourse on WiiU. The games coming this year are all rooted on Wii or 3DS origins.
Also no AA.
It just looks inconsistent.
We have yet to see a Nintendo graphical powerhourse on WiiU. The games coming this year are all rooted on Wii or 3DS origins.
ArcaneFreeze
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Pikmin 2:
Pikmin 3:
Its amazing that they're both using the same base engine.
Carpe Libertatem
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It looks fine. No RTS game has good looking ground textures, even on the technically superior PC.
boiled goose
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Pikmin is not even an RTS. It is an action-adventure game where you use many units.
There is no economy, grand strategy, multiple group control, etc. that are all hallmarks of RTS.
Just like overlord, little king story, etc. It is not an RTS. at all.
On the same console, the wonderful 101 looks much better overall graphically.
ArcaneFreeze
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Pikmin is an RTS. and W101 was built from the ground up for WiiU with a team familiar with HD development. Pikmin 3 started on the Wii and then transferred to the WiiU with a team still learning HD development. Huge difference there.
You haven't played the game, lol...
boiled goose
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Pikmin is not an RTS at all!
You are going to tell me that Pikmin is more similar to Starcraft or Age of Empires, than say metroid or Zelda?
No way.!!!
The different pikmin correspond to different abilities that open new paths in the world to explore. It is an action adventure game. If you think pikmin is an RTS, you have never played an RTS. It plays nothing like one.
I have played and beaten both Pikmin 1 and 2... :/
The ability to select different subgroups of pikmin (just like you can in overlord) is nothing like what you do in a RTS. It definitely uses elements of RTS's but gameplay wise it is totally an action adventure game.
RTS are about grand strategy, economy management and unit production.
Pikmin is about exploring a world and acquiring new abilities to open more paths. It is an action adventure game.
Saying Pikmin is an RTS is like saying Starcraft 2 is a shooter because there are guns.
The most apt description of Pikmin in my opinion is a micromanagement game. Incidentally, micromanagement is one of the hallmarks of the RTS genre, but not the only one. There is some 'strategy' in Pikmin (for example, choosing which Pikmin to take with you on a given outing) -- especially in this third entry, from what I understand -- but really it's a unique entity which plays like an RTS (in part), while being structured like an action/adventure title.
Carpe Libertatem
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There is an economy - it just isn't with traditional "currencies" such as gold or minerals. Felled enemies, as well as pellets, serve as the "currency" in Pikmin as they are all used in order to create more units (Pikmin). The Pikmin themselves can also serve as part of the economy as you have to manage them in order to prevent "extinction."
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "multiple group control," but if you mean controlling multiple groups at the same time, well, that's certainly possible in Pikmin 3 (with three different captains).
An action game where you control many units? That's The Wonderful 101, which as you mentioned may appear better graphically than Pikmin 3 because the team has experience working on HD systems, as well as the fact that The Wonderful 101 is going for a completely different art style than Pikmin 3.
Different units don't open up new paths in RTS games? Different units excel at different things. This is not unique to Pikmin and is found in probably every single RTS.
Besides, it doesn't even matter if you don't consider it an RTS. Doesn't change the fact that the camera angle is one that is traditionally found in RTS games and as a result of that, most games which use that camera angle have poor ground textures.
boiled goose
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Tell me what of the core concepts of an RTS game pikmin possesses?
The micromanagement is akin to combat, if micromangagement is the most important aspect in RTS then DOTA is an RTS, which it really is not... even though it derived as a mod from one. It is structured like an action adventure game because it is one. Mechanics don't define a genre, core ideas do. Just like RE4 is an action game with horror elements (not a survival horror), Pikmin is an action adventure game with multiple units as a substitute for different abilities.
There is no economy. The drops from enemies are akin to health or powerups in action adventure games, nothing at all like resource mining in RTS.
If pikmin is an RTS then so is the Wonderful 101. I am sure that enemies will drop stuff that lets you manage different stats and make certain choices.
Wonderful 101 is obviously not an RTS, it is an action game/ beat em up, where you control many units.
RTS games are about...strategy! in real time.
This generally means fighting other players or AI players with similar abilties (but different units or w.e)
Pikmin is not about strategy. It is about exploration and combat. I can play pikmin or batman AA when I want an action adventure. I would not play pikmin as a substitute to starcraft or command and conquer hahaha.
ArcaneFreeze
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You listed one yourself. Multiple group control. Which is exactly what your doing here. You have 3 characters each controlling their own group of Pikmin. You manage one what does and decide what to do with the other others. You can leave the current group to gather fruit while you control the second group to go build a bridge over the river, then while they're doing that you can go to the third one to break down a wall.
Definition of an RTS game:
Pikmin covers several of those bases, Pikmin 3 more so than the first two.
Carpe Libertatem
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Akin to health or powerups in what way? Felled enemies and pellets literally create new Pikmin. How is that "nothing at all" like resource mining (the primary purpose of which is to create new units and structures)? If instead they created gold upon death in which you could purchase Pikmin, would that then be considered "like resource mining?"
MOBAs are considered a type of RTS game by most people, yes. I was not disagreeing with you either; the reason I don't call it an "RTS" personally is because I don't feel that adequately captures the essence of Pikmin. Nevertheless, when the fundamentals of a game are very strongly associated with something else, people tend to lump them into the same genre. It's normal, and accepted.
boiled goose
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You missed the key part.
There are no opponents in Pikmin hence no strategy....
substitute the control of the pikmin with a zelda ability and you can retain the core game.
You cannot do the same with starcraft or CC or AoE or TW, etc.
Saying that because you can control multiple units in Pikmin it is an RTS is akin to saying Zelda is a fighting game because you fight with a sword, or that GTA is a racing game because you can drive.
This was a derailing of the thread, so I'll stop. At least think about my points here, if you think I am completely wrong here then we can agree to disagree. Just like I argue pikmin is an AA, I will argue Smash is a fighting game, and Fallout 3 is an wRPG. Genres should be defined by core ideas and why you play, not a list of superficial mechanics. Pikmin definitely introduced a subgenre that took RTS elements and used them in a way suited for consoles, so not trying to take any credit from it.
Pseudo_Sam
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You missed the key part.
There are no opponents in Pikmin hence no strategy....
substitute the control of the pikmin with a zelda ability and you can retain the core game.
You cannot do the same with starcraft or CC or AoE or TW, etc.
Saying that because you can control multiple units in Pikmin it is an RTS is akin to saying Zelda is a fighting game because you fight with a sword, or that GTA is a racing game because you can drive.
This was a derailing of the thread, so I'll stop. At least think about my points here, if you think I am completely wrong here then we can agree to disagree. Just like I argue pikmin is an AA, I will argue Smash is a fighting game, and Fallout 3 is an wRPG. Genres should be defined by core ideas and why you play, not a list of superficial mechanics. Pikmin definitely introduced a subgenre that took RTS elements and used them in a way suited for consoles, so not trying to take any credit from it.
You're literally the only person I've ever seen who says Pikmin is not an RTS. From the very first installment, they have always been referred to as RTS games. Because they are. Games in which you strategize in real-time using a group of malleable units. It is a different flavor than "traditional" RTS games, but that is irrelevant. The entire core of the game is built around using your units to strategize... in real time. Hence the genre.
No opponents is false. Also, the idea that no opponents somehow = "no strategy" is incomprehensible in and of itself. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
No. Just no. This makes it sound like you've never played Pikmin, honestly. Remove the Pikmin, group management, and multi-colored strategy, and you have the same game? Not even close man. How would you carry items? Do complex tasks like building bridges? Or any other of the actions that require many units? It would be Olimar running around a small overworld, surrounded by lots of things he is unable to interact with because of his size and relative weakness. Fun.
PaulExcellent
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This game makes me regret my purchase of a PS3 instead of a WiiU. > <
God, the art style is lovely.
God, the art style is lovely.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Seeing the beautiful pics here....
I wonder what Nintendo could do with Zelda.
*Dreams*
I wonder what Nintendo could do with Zelda.
*Dreams*
Okay. This one's my favorite.
Glorious
You can't say "agree to disagree" when you're not talking about opinions, but something as tangible as Pikmin obviously being an RTS.
Also, literally the Wikipedia article on the series with a statement of fact that doesn't need to be cited because it's that obvious:
C'mon now.
The same?
Somehow reminded me of one The Last of Us scene. Now that would be the ultimate crossover, with the chaos in the background and infected pikminsI like this one
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