R10Neymarfan
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It does save space though and some people would like to move their old console to another room for Bluray/DVD/Games
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It does save space though and some people would like to move their old console to another room for Bluray/DVD/Games
apple can't get away with it because they sell new hardware twice or at least once every year. Unlike playstation console.
H_Prestige
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Resetting after every console was fine in the old days, but it makes no sense today with DD platforms. You don't just "reset" those. That's suicide. And I think Sony knows it.
VIDEOGAMESYAY
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why are people arguing in favor of cell? this generation cell has:
- been a nightmare to develop for
- been large and expensive to manufacture
- had parts of it soldered off because manufacturing the whole thing was unreasonable (the design had 8 SPEs but only 7 were present and fully functional in final silicon)
- kept the PS3 from profitability far longer than should have been the case
- handed dominance of the USA to X-Box
as a PS fan I hope they flush the wrongheaded cell design down the toilet and move on to greener pastures. spend the money that would have been wasted including cell towards things that would actually make PS4 a better system. like a package of glittery stickers, I would rather have that than cell.
- been a nightmare to develop for
- been large and expensive to manufacture
- had parts of it soldered off because manufacturing the whole thing was unreasonable (the design had 8 SPEs but only 7 were present and fully functional in final silicon)
- kept the PS3 from profitability far longer than should have been the case
- handed dominance of the USA to X-Box
as a PS fan I hope they flush the wrongheaded cell design down the toilet and move on to greener pastures. spend the money that would have been wasted including cell towards things that would actually make PS4 a better system. like a package of glittery stickers, I would rather have that than cell.
Yeah, as hard as there's been the push to PSN downloadable titles, especially 'day 1' titles now I don't see how Sony could cut BC completely. There's just no way without causing a huge shit storm and backlash.
I agree with your overall point. Just was saying that apple analogy is a different case compare to orbis and ps3.
Will it be more expensive to develop on the next PS or cheaper? Just from a technical aspect, that you need higher res textures etc is obviously.
I mainly want better / more / diverse games. I don't need the next PS4 just to not play UC 4-7, CoD 21-39, AC 3.33, 3.5, 3.66, 3.78,9, 4 etc
I mainly want better / more / diverse games. I don't need the next PS4 just to not play UC 4-7, CoD 21-39, AC 3.33, 3.5, 3.66, 3.78,9, 4 etc
Why are you acting as if Cell today is exactly as it was when released, cost and manufacture wise?
- It is likely not there "to develop for" if it was included, its primary use would likely be BC with already-developed PS3 software
- It is now smaller and cheaper to manufacture
- This doesn't matter for BC
- It is now profitable
- To blame just Cell for that doesn't take a number of other issues into consideration
Gemüsepizza
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Just because a vocal minority thinks it is incredibly important to have access to some old PSN titles which they already have finished months ago, does not mean it is "suicide". You can still access all your games with your PS3. And no, it is not comparable with mobile phones, because it is perfectly fine to have more than one console hooked up to a TV, it is not the same like carrying two mobile phones.
Ardenyal
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Agreed. I hope they don't go with hardware BC. If they can get some titles working with software BC then fine, but other than that I don't really care at all for BC.
i would love to have BC if it was "free", but it isnt. Just like PS2 compatibility wasnt.
Imagine if PS3 had double amount of RAM and didnt have PS2 BC to start with.
Everything we know about this gen would have to been rewritten and PS3 would have even longer life on the shelves. Main thing missing from PS3 right now is memory. If it had double the memory, it would have sold a lot better for various reasons such as party chat, video chat, better looking games, better ports, better OS in game, especially web browser, etc, etc.
Same happens here - for the amount they spend on Cell, they would be able to improve something else for next gen games.
While they work, nobody wanted to use iphone games on iPad, right? Main problem of Nexus tablets is that not many apps are made for them, and phone apps/games look like crap.
also - someone suggested BC as easy PS+ content for PS4... Wtf. Mutiny about shitty Sony letting us play only old crappy PS3 games? While I am sure that there would be some, main content would be PS4 games. And PS4 will get plenty of PS4 games.
If they just literally put a PS3 in for BC, isolated from the rest of the system, I'd agree with you. But if they integrated perhaps the SPEs from CELL so they could aid BC but also be used as additional compute resource, that'd be good for PS4 games too.
And it was me suggesting PS3 games for PS+ - I don't see what's so crazy. You can't launch PS+ until your initial games are at least a year or so old, and while people would of course prefer PS4 games, there are plenty of PS3 classics to be introduced to a new audience.
So there's a shit ton of PS4 content for PS+? That's good to know. Now everyone that makes the PS4 their first PS can hop on that PS+ for all dat PS4 freebie goodness at launch!Gemüsepizza;46973663 said:
Yeah no. BC is a must if nothing more than to push PSN content to as many people as possible. We aren't going to see PS3 remakes so BC is important. Sony can easily make every PS4 owner a PS3 owner in one box - opening up the entire (or 95% of it) PSN catalog to PS4 users - especially first-time Playstation buyers.
It is illogical to not include BC simply from a PSN standpoint.
Including Cell for BC and handling PS4 duties like OS, game audio, etc. Sony can use the Cell for PS4s OS leaving more CPU horsepower for games if they wanted. Just a thought.
BC is coming for sure. The benefits of BC coupled with using Cell and the extra processing it can provide are boons.
Its coming.
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God damn not refreshing the page on my mobile. Beaten by 2 hours!
Unless the PS4 can somehow make PS3 games run better and at a higher resolution(which I am doubting) I could really care less about PS4 BC with the PS3.
Already own a PS3 and it works fine, have no problems using that to play PS3, PSN games.
I can understand the need for it for some people, but if it's going to make the system even more expensive and possibly delay it's release then I am not really for it.
Already own a PS3 and it works fine, have no problems using that to play PS3, PSN games.
I can understand the need for it for some people, but if it's going to make the system even more expensive and possibly delay it's release then I am not really for it.
why cant you have PS+ with 2-3 months old games? Yes you can. And people who buy PS4 will most certainly have PS3 already.
I dont see it happening if Sony has gotten smart and dont want to lose money.
If they are smart, they will provide tools for devs to convert their PS3 games to PS4 easily, while providing better experience/graphics/fps.
James Sawyer Ford
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Brace yourself. Monday is here.
I am pretty sure nothing big will be revealed, but I'm all aboard the hype train anyway.
Wait, what is rumoured to happen today?
EDIT: Just read past few pages. My guess is the special sauce(s).
but this hype is just a tease no matter what till the launch
For the Orbango.
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Saberus
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this
Demon Lizardman
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It's Monday over here technically.
evil solrac v3.0
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then you better tell us what you know....
James Sawyer Ford
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could have been a typo for "latest"
i wonder what happens to this site once the next-gen systems are revealed...kind of useless after that
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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or Dourorbis
iamvin22
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your right it could be a typo but as like others have said they have never hyped a article before so we shall see.
Closer to accurate then most imo.They been consistent for the most part.
not you but vgleaks.
They can always leak info on games, peripherals, services etc
Hydrogen Bluebird
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iamshadowlark
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Is this 05 again? Cell had been relatively easy to manufacture since early 08. And reducing cores for yields is one of the most common practices in manufacturing lol. It's rumored to happen in PS4 too. Your other points are pretty nonsensical so I won't go there.
Brad Grenz
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Yeah, that was the stupidest part of that post. Every single modern GPU and CPU has built in redundancies allowing for sections with errors to be cut off from the rest of the chip and preserving overall function. And that's over and above the idea of selling salvage parts to be able to offer hardware at a variety of price points. No one builds 3 billion transistor chips that would have to be thrown away if even one transistor malfunctions.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Orange Box?!
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Can't wait for the next leak. It should be posted in less than 24 hours right?
MikeE21286
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Hydrargyrus
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Do you think that PSN games could be played in PS4?.
Because I expect for PS4 to have PSN+ common too, with all the systems integrated (PS4, PS3 and Vita)
Because I expect for PS4 to have PSN+ common too, with all the systems integrated (PS4, PS3 and Vita)
Less than 12 hours. I'm hoping they managed to get pictures of the new controllers, but that seems unlikely.
What is left for leaks?
- box design: probably nobody has seen it yet, certainly not devs. So very unlikely
- controller designs. Similar to above, but devs might have Heath Robinson mockups to provide similar functionality. Possible to leak more detailed specs, but not final form (which MIT still change anyway)
- more detail on OS usage. Possible, but if leaks are from devs, will they know what background tasks are coming, or would they just be told what resources are restricted.
- secret sauce. Most likely IMO, or a bit more info on the architecture.
Personally I'd like to know more detail about the controllers, although that'd also be a nice surprise to wait for the official reveals. I'm rapidly approaching blackout phase, this tech stuff is going around in circles with too many holes allowing almost any desired interpretation.
- box design: probably nobody has seen it yet, certainly not devs. So very unlikely
- controller designs. Similar to above, but devs might have Heath Robinson mockups to provide similar functionality. Possible to leak more detailed specs, but not final form (which MIT still change anyway)
- more detail on OS usage. Possible, but if leaks are from devs, will they know what background tasks are coming, or would they just be told what resources are restricted.
- secret sauce. Most likely IMO, or a bit more info on the architecture.
Personally I'd like to know more detail about the controllers, although that'd also be a nice surprise to wait for the official reveals. I'm rapidly approaching blackout phase, this tech stuff is going around in circles with too many holes allowing almost any desired interpretation.
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