Wut?
Lol get back to us when a DC movie makes a billion.
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Wonder Woman has surpassed Suicide Squad and BvS domestic Box Office
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SmackAttack
Member
Good news. Best DCEU movie hands down and it deserves that success.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
There are a lot of bad movies that are bad for various reasons, so it's hard to rank the absolute worst, but I think it's fair to have BvS is in the discussion. BvS has a lot of really, really bad things going for it, but also a few decent things that other worst movie ever contenders don't have.
Like Battlefield Earth is about as nonsensical as BvS and has no redeeming qualities, but at least it doesn't stuff trailers to other movies in the middle of it.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Any success this movie has is deserved.
obligatory
credit to George Oscar Bluth II
I love that even Lego Batman is in there.
Obliterator
Member
Fantastic news and greatly deserved.
Best film I've seen this year imo
Best film I've seen this year imo
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
obligatory
credit to George Oscar Bluth II
Big Dave pointing and laughing is the best part of this pic.
Give us Earth 2 Power Girl.
This outfit lame too lol
Your worldwide guess will end up over $100M too low.
Your foreign guess will be almost right on the money.
broncobuster
Banned
Indeed. I went into WW with modest expectations, both on quality and how it'd perform in the box office. Happy to have been wrong on both counts as it greatly exceeded those expectations.
Wonder Woman was decent but it's third act was kinda weak. BVS's first act was butchered but picked up near the end. CW is graded on the Marvel curve, because I have literally pointed out the logical inconsistencies in CW to show how Zemo's plan is purely predicated on luck, or how people let more egregious shit slide in CW .
Edited for clarification. They've never had a DC movie hit a billion without Nolan.
Edit:
Oh boy, Bleepy bringing out his charts.
Glass Rebel
Member
Well deserved. A lot was riding on this movie and I'm glad it surpassed expectations.
DCEU community thread get ya mans
DCEU community thread get ya mans
Hey I can back up anything I say. Not my fault that pointing out that whilst Lex plays an active role in all the machinations going on in the film (he actively manipulates the Sebators, Bruce, Clark, the Press, Wallace and the public) whilst Zemo just gets lucky with the Bucky and Cap beef. Or how Captain America's motto might as well be with Great power comes no accountability doesn't make me wrong just you guys are too busy laughing at Tony Stark's jokes that you ignore he recruited a 15 year old boy to fight against Super Soldier's and assassins and gave him an armour that barely protects against black eyes whilst incendiary devices, bullets, cars and fuel tanks fucking fly. Forgive me for paying and calling things to attention.
TheSkullPrince
Member
Fantastic feel-good news. Well deserved and earned for Gal Gadot and Patty Jenkins and everyone else involved.
Lot better than before.
No but see it's the UN. The UN.
but how are you supposed to symbolise the hole missing in her, who is going to fill her hole
Think about her hole how do you fill that hole
*caliph95 banned*
"DC movies haven't ever made a billion with a few exceptions."
Also, all comic book movies have thus far been awful bar Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. The rest are all the worst films I've ever seen.
You could make a fun movie out of Wonder Man, but his name isn't marketable. Especially now.
Lionel Mandrake
Member
It absolutely is hyperbole. The "worst movie ever made" isn't a Hollywood blockbuster that came out in the last few years. I've sat through at least three Christian propaganda flicks for the sake of making (hopefully) entertaining threads, and as awful as they were--far worse than the last two DC movies--I still wouldn't consider them "the worst movies ever made." They're hot garbage, but I've seen worse.
This type of hyperbole fucking sucks. Movies can be good, they can be bad, and they can be REALLY bad. That doesn't translate to "the worst movie ever made."
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
MDSLKTR
Member
Oh, I see we're going for the nolanverse goalposts now. Nevertheless the movies opened with a DC logo you bitches
I wouldn't. Batman's box office ceiling is still way the hell higher than Wonder Woman.
It's headed for ~$775m. Again, check those expectations. They aren't any female led action movies doing better than WW overseas outside of Force Awakens and that's obviously a special case.
Rktk
Member
Come on, I agree the third act of WW took a dip but BvS was awful all the way through, to say it improved toward the end is hardly praise.
IrishNinja
Member
lol @ marvel sweating
this, all day this - so happy to see WW do it, movie deserved it more than MOS, BvS & SS combined
this, all day this - so happy to see WW do it, movie deserved it more than MOS, BvS & SS combined
broncobuster
Banned
Snyder and Joss worked with one another, with Johns and Terrio, on additional JL scenes. Joss is taking over is a fabrication.
But that anonymous letter about the movie being a mess was so convincing, though.
It's not a zero sum game ... They can both be equally successful. I hope they are. I'd love for both companies to make awesome movies, then everyone wins.
Solid SOAP
Member
The difference is that Marvel's movies are intentionally campy and successfully & actively suspend your disbelief, while DC's films are intentionally dark & brooding; The world of BvS demands its audience to take it seriously, thus the many plotholes and absurd moments in the film are criticized much more harshly.
Even if the movie is pitch perfect in terms of tone and story, Cyborg is still going to look like a Bayformer, which is probably easier to get angry about than anything Wonder Woman did
MegaManTrigger
Banned
The only lucky thing in Zemo's plan is he never realized that Bucky was responsible for the death of Tony's parents (which in conjunction with the 5 super soldiers is exactly why he was asking ex-soldiers of Hydra why Mission Report: December 16th, 1991 was so important and secretive). Every single step of his plan has been about trying to manipulate both Rogers into saving Bucky, and the Sokovia Accords team into taking Bucky and fighting each other. The Mission Report tape was the straw the broke the camel's back and a surefire way to make sure that the Avengers will remain fractured for the foreseeable future. Cap isn't about no accountability, but he doesn't want accountability without failsafes in place to make sure that he can't do his job. He's witnessed Hydra infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. and that's made him question allegiances and agendas. He's making a fair point about the potential of corruption.
Compare that to Lex's plans which were not only inefficient, but also ridiculously convoluted and redundant. He goes through all of this nonsense in Africa when public perception was already mixed on the arrival of Superman (dating back to the events of Man of Steel), so Luthor added nothing there. Don't even get me started on thinking that bullets was enough for people to think that Superman would be framed for such a dumb plan. He then tries to "manipulate" both sides when the thing is that he never did any manipulating (even with all his nonsense to get Batman mad, Batman doesn't even start fighting, it's Lex who forces Superman to go fight in order to save Martha). Batman already had a negative perception of Superman and was preparing to take him down. Lex literally spelled it out to Superman that he had to go fight Batman or else his mom would die. That's about as "manipulative" as Trump shitposting about reporters on Twitter.
So many posters have mentioned this in so many threads and you refuse to be fair in your analyses. That's on you, don't try and fool everyone that you're "paying and calling things into attention." What bullshit.
Dr. Giggles
Member
Well deserved. Hopefully the success of this film can correct the ship
IrishNinja
Member
still having a hard time mounting any optimism there
ill never understand this mentality
like i'm a huge daredevil fan but i didn't need the netflix show to admit that the affleck film was ass, nor would i have wanted later marvel films to follow what was so clearly a broken, awful template
Maybe, if you pad that shit out with jokes you won't notice most of the arguments are nonsense and how much of the plot moves due to luck or makes no sense. Even today, I can ensure I don't get get a response from people about CW by just asking them, if Iron man was so concerned with the Sokovia accords why did he recruit someone barely old enough to shave let alone sign a contract.
Edit: Maybe I am a contrarian but I think stuff like the Daredevil movie was actually decent.
Wonder Woman's performance will end up being pretty similar to Iron Man 1 domestically if you adjust up Iron Man to account for the lack of 3D and premium screens back in 2008.
If we compare superhero films to the average gross of wide releases within their year of release, Wonder Woman is the 4th most popular superhero debut ever at the time of her release. The list would go Batman 89 -> Spider-Man -> (big gap) -> Iron Man -> Wonder Woman.
With Iron Man and Wonder Woman being nearly equal as I said.
The Dark Knight was the most abnormally large superhero film for its year of release by a good margin. After that was The Avengers. Then Batman 89 and Spider-Man.
Kurt Angle
Member
spider man laughs
IrishNinja
Member
it's not the worst, i thought affleck was fine as matt & wasn't the problem but it's busy and just a mess overall, captures so little of the actual character for fans & i don't see anyone but them caring about all the crap they were throwing (kingpin, elektra & her death, bullseye etc). the director's cut helped a bit but still pretty not-so-great overall
This movie was genuinely great and deserves everything it's getting. I am worried though that all the good will generated with this character will be ruined in Justice League. I'm worried they are going to make her character dark and brooding in JL just like Snyder did with Superman. She wasn't in BvS enough to have a clear and fully realized interpretation of the character. But now Snyder can do whatever he wants.
Kurt Angle
Member
i fell asleep during the lex luthor bullshit after paying 25$ imax seats
bvs is the worst movie i paid movie theater money for, easily
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
What's so bad about
Diana's realization of humanity's inherent evils by learning of Ares's true nature, and her realization of humanity's inherent good through Steve Trevor's sacrifice
BvS had a terrible last act. Superman's sacrifice had no emotion to it at all. The whole Lois spear bit was a frustrating waste of time. Doomsday is basically a random thing added just to have a big final fight while the main villain of Luther mostly disappears altogether. But yeah, I guess I agree what came before that was somehow even worse.