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WSJ: Switch fails to turn on investors, surprises unannounced
- Thread starter ggx2ac
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That happens when things leak. It happens with everyone now. You can't really get a surprise in the gaming industry.
Hardware features, motion Control functionality, integration With phones, touch screen (lol), os features, games, Nintendo account features. Who knows.
..but if something leaks, what is a company supposed to do? Change the entire thing so close to release just to 'surprise' people?
Obscuritas
Member
People can already play Pokémon GO on their phones, so yeah, that would be useless and somewhat obtuse. And no, stockholders are not THAT stupid.
Joelstinton14
Member
For the unannounced surprises i think the person who illustrated this has it pretty much on point.
Marty Chinn
Member
In my head I was thinking some sort of sandbox or virtualization but I guess I didn't exactly elaborate =) I have a strong feeling their mobile apps will be playable somehow on it and Android seemed a likely route. Either that or they'd have to port them to be native. Seems easier to just run the Android version in the long run. It sounds like a touch screen will be there reading through the lines and that only makes sense for some sort of tablet mode since it won't apply to Switch games.Could be, they could also have a virialised solution like PS3 and Xbox One have where you can have a GameOS and a System OS running side by side (not in parallel on the PS3, in terms of the Linux OtherOS) and both on top of a hypervisor. I think that they would want native NX games (I will keep using NX as the X is a perfect shorthand for a switch) running on top of Android. Even NDK activities do have a minor penalty compared to more direct hardware access solution such as what you have on iOS or even more on 3DS and PS Vita.
Not a mobile game so investors don't care. That market.
Games. I imagine quite a lot of them including ports but still. Sun & Moon port will probably launch with it.
Dark Cloud
Member
Can we guess what the unannounced surprises are?
Since Nintendo said the base will be cheap then I'll say it's going to be $199.
I think one of the surprises is a dock that is like an SCD that will boost power to the Switch.
Since Nintendo said the base will be cheap then I'll say it's going to be $199.
I think one of the surprises is a dock that is like an SCD that will boost power to the Switch.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Why bother dragging out the "secret" particularly long though? It felt like it was even longer than typical cycles.
And, maybe my view is biased now since the leaks have already happened, but I feel like even if it being a hybrid was successfully kept far and away under wraps, I thihnk it still wouldn't have seemed like an "oh holy shit" moment upon it's reveal.
As I said before, I'm not trying to rain the parade here. I'm actually super psyched for it. It's just that from what they've shown so far, it doesn't feel as much of a left-field game-changer as they might have made it out to be.
I Stalk Alone
Member
For the unannounced surprises i think the person who illustrated this has it pretty much on point.
surprised your omitted the fleshlight/tenga adaptor
Serious Sam
Member
Don't think this means much at this point. If Switch becomes a success and takes over the world like Wii did, these same investors will come crawling back.
Dreams-Visions
Member
There wasn't a lot to be excited about, to be honest. After the sheen wore off and people started asking questions, discussions got real sober real quick.
People raising VERY valid concerns about the HDD space, the ports on the base station, the baby controllers and their comfort, the battery life, the price, quality of the tablet display (resolution, technology used), and the power a mobile table GPU will be able to offer in a world that will be imminently inundated with PS4 Pro's, Scorpio's and VR.
While being portable is cool, it's Nintendo digging in deeper with the audience that was already going to buy their next system. What is the system doing to appeal to those who stopped buying Nintendo hardware because of weak hardware or slow turnout of games? What is it doing to appeal to those who are trying to decide what their next system will be and are looking at all 3 of their options? What is it doing to appeal to grown-ass adults that drive to work and don't have a lot of time in their day where they need a mobile gaming system? Investors are all about how a company is going to GROW. Show me how the Switch will not simply sustain its existing market, but GROW it. Nintendo has yet to address any of the above and its investors are reacting accordingly.
People raising VERY valid concerns about the HDD space, the ports on the base station, the baby controllers and their comfort, the battery life, the price, quality of the tablet display (resolution, technology used), and the power a mobile table GPU will be able to offer in a world that will be imminently inundated with PS4 Pro's, Scorpio's and VR.
While being portable is cool, it's Nintendo digging in deeper with the audience that was already going to buy their next system. What is the system doing to appeal to those who stopped buying Nintendo hardware because of weak hardware or slow turnout of games? What is it doing to appeal to those who are trying to decide what their next system will be and are looking at all 3 of their options? What is it doing to appeal to grown-ass adults that drive to work and don't have a lot of time in their day where they need a mobile gaming system? Investors are all about how a company is going to GROW. Show me how the Switch will not simply sustain its existing market, but GROW it. Nintendo has yet to address any of the above and its investors are reacting accordingly.
unknownstranger
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I don't understand why they revealed this now because of leaks when it addressed nothing that actually has been leaked besides the console design which has been known for months.
If nobody knew what Switch was before reveal especially those that took the "Iwata said they are not making a hybrid" quote out of context, we'd have the people that call the Wii U Gamepad a Tablet Controller calling the Switch a... Tablet Controller. lol
What?
Yes, we have unanswered questions, but don't you think you're taking it to extremes?
First, the Switch was made to stop the "slow turnout of games" (btw, 3DS has average of 1 Nintendo published game a month. Wii U has an average of around 0.8 Nintendo published games a month, so that complaint has always been bull) by consolidating the handheld and home console divisions.
Secondly, many adults need to share a TV and have things to do which may interrupt gaming, and so this is perfect for that. Don't take your life experience to be the only life experience
Yes, I can see it cohesively encompassing everything 'Nintendo', the whole current state of Nintendo game and toy/accessory development today. I do think that's the smart move right now in the absence of any lightning-in-a-bottle, Wii-like idea. I think it's certainly great for people like me who found it difficult to justify more than one Nintendo machine in recent cycles - I'll be able to get one 'thing' now, and play everything. Assuming this all will work as I think! But the lack of really any new original centre of gravity for the machine is a little disappointing.
That said - I do like that illustrated idea above of custom controllers for different games, sporting different novelties. From a marketing point of view I can see the value of that, as long as they would be reasonably cheap and bundle-able. Who knows, maybe with that model, Nintendo could experiment with new kinds of input and come across something really exciting.
Exactly this.
Yup. Best to pretend this is unusual bad news so the doom train can keep going
The android thing would be crazy. Sounds unlikely.
Doesn't the cartridge port look non-3DS compatible?
I was mainly referring to things which would get the shareholders excited, which are probably just the bolded.
"You guys, Reddit just posted a leak that our 2017 Honda Civic has four wheels."
"Fuck it we're doing a boat."
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Sony was breaking even after selling a combination combination of games and/or PS Plus so they were taking a slight loss on the hardware at launch.
30yearsofhurt
Member
Nah it was pretty cringeworthy.
Well I told you in this thread
Nintendo adds more than $1 billion in market value ahead of NX reveal
Nintendo adds more than $1 billion in market value ahead of NX reveal
PS4 was sold without any loss at launch, It was making a little profit, less than 20$ per console.
For the unannounced surprises i think the person who illustrated this has it pretty much on point.
Already exists
You're right, the Pokémon GO trailer had no impact as well.
For the unannounced surprises i think the person who illustrated this has it pretty much on point.
Shiiiit. This is such a good call.
It is...
Castef
Banned
Makes sense. Not a very good debut for a platform.
Joelstinton14
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Already exists
Post made 100X better due to the alan partridge avatar. Winner.
Great comment! I also don't see how they're going to win over new consumers with this, they're just doubling back on what they're already good at: mobile and a few great first party games.
I am a grown ass adult that drives to work all day, there is no place nor time for mobile in my live. And all the other hardware options are vastly superior, so what is left? Zelda and Mario?
The mobile/living room-in-one concept is cool, but I'm afraid that the amount of people that are psyched to continue playing Skyrim (a 5yo game!) on the go are very much in the minority.
It might be because of that, it might be because of the build up (they anticipated the reveal for SO LONG), but I honestly think that the idea behind it is not that surprising and groundbreaking.
Aside from the stock falling post reveal, which is always the case and is non-news, that "more about this next year" line keeps irking me. Talking about price and games a mere three month before release is a bit late for my blood. Unless third parties use the five remaining month to hype their own projects, then Nintendo only plans on spending three month on marketing and basic information efforts. That...isn't great news to me, and I'm not very hard to sell this device to as its concept fits my use case to a T.
Your power of seeing the future is astounding
You do know the remaster is out next week on PS4/XBO. Will you be chastising owners of those consoles who purchase it?
Dark Cloud
Member
Pokémon will sell it alone. It has a handheld component. You know the systems Nintendo thrives in?
We are not even 24 hours in it and there are 9Million Views. This of course doesn´t mean "it will have a gigantic super duper success", but it says "people are interested, people like it and share it".
LastCupOfSorrow
Banned
Interesting. When I checked last night at six, they had gained 870 points on the day.
Come on, Nintendo isn't the developer nor the Publisher. I don't think the games showed up on any Nintendo page or Promotion
Their involvement doesn't really suggest that this is a Nintendo game