I assume they can negotiate advertising deals if people are using their box to funnel content or something.
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Xbox One Costs $90 More to Build Than PS4, Teardown Shows ($75 Kinect 2)
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I assume they can negotiate advertising deals if people are using their box to funnel content or something.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Same way it's making them money now....by adding a pay wall.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It doesn't.
I Stalk Alone
Member
You don't think smartphones and tablets will be doing that shit already?
SwiftDeath
Member
Uh you don't think the smartphone market has the same amount of competition as the console market do you?
I assure you if Apple or google thought they could be just as competitive with a paywall, they'd have one
We are getting a similar Xbox 360 and PS3 launch, except the players are reversed this time and the gap is wider
The custom APU with the built in ESRAM can't be cheap to manufacture.
NuclearSpy
Member
This is pretty much my thought as well. Lots of things went right for Sony tho, and good for them. We'll see where Sony takes us with their newly found momentum this gen.
CE companies are gonna wind up stealing that "media box market" thunder from Microsoft very soon, especially for people that don't care about games at all.
mere?
SwiftDeath
Member
To be fair outside of the core most consumers will only care about exclusives, price and maybe services
I'm still curious what the mainstream think of these consoles
weekend_warrior
Banned
I find it hard to believe that 8GB of DDR3 ram could coust MS $60.
DonMigs85
Member
Many people also forget that in addition to having 368 more shaders, the PS4 GPU also has 32 raster operation pipelines, double that of Xbone. Even if you factor in the Xbone GPU boost to 853MHz, PS4 still has nearly double the pixel fillrate.
Pretty much the only slight edge Xbone has is its 1.75GHz CPU clock, assuming PS4 is still at 1.6
Pretty much the only slight edge Xbone has is its 1.75GHz CPU clock, assuming PS4 is still at 1.6
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GoofsterStud
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If I was a mainstream consumer I would see the knack demo vs forza and think the xbox had superior hardware, and would assume that is why the one costs more. Good thing I am not technically ignorant and uninformed.
I know, I was also surprised when I found out Coke only spends a couple of pennies on the bottle of diet coke I paid $2 for.
I'm very surprised the xbone costs more to manufacture, even without Kinect. Sheesh.
GoofsterStud
Member
DDR3 prices are going up
GDDR5 prices are going down
So this will change within a year.
Sounds like a hostage situation.
Foghorn Leghorn
Unconfirmed Member
People are going to shell out $500 for a media box with a paywall vs $99 Apple/Chromecast/Roku with no paywall?
It looks like while they were planning to steal everyone's thunder, they let theres get away.
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Which in business speak means cheaper costs. No need to throw out a ton of batches.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Not if it becomes water cooler talk that versions of games running on console x is better than console y. Which it -did- become for the 360 vs ps3 era. There were random dudes at gamestops telling people that "I heard that 360 games run better"
Wether they notice it or not, but nobody wants an inferior product.
SwiftDeath
Member
I certainly agree that if that talk is common than it will have an effect
My problem is that the gaming press have been downplaying the difference this gen while up laying the difference last at least in my opinion
But yes even casuals don't want to pay more for less albeit there are other factors to consider
opticalmace
Member
Why?
Different markets, but MS is obviously hoping to take some customers away from the aforementioned companies. And none of those companies offer a product with the media features that XB1 has. It's just down to personal preference.
Bluekaveli
Member
This is a powerful thread.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Plainly, Microsoft dun goofed. It's a weak games console, while not as a versatile as a true media consumption device. The price is also out of reach for many, with PS4 being the better buy.
If J Allard had stayed at Microsoft and they instead built a true Xbox 360 successor, then the war against Sony would have been better fought.
I think the prevailing thought was there would not be enough supply for their needs, or it was up in the air and they had to make a decision.
Krappadizzle
Member
I have a chromecast. It works, but I'd rather have a Xbone as the chromecast is annoying to use.
That's why media makes more money than games on their game system?
Nightengale
Member
Functionality, portability, app and media availability (at launch), entry cost, subscription cost.
Even if we remove the portability factor, functionality is still an issue. Why the hell can't it work as a DVR?
$39 BOM for Kinect sounds pretty damn cheap. Considering there were dev's that came out and said it was "very expensive". $39 is cheap... I'd be surprised.
60$ for that DDR3?! That's insane, how are they paying more than what I pay at retail for that memory
Isn't it extra fast DDR3 to try to compensate for them not going with GDDR5? It's probably not the same DDR3 as you bought for your desktop.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I thought the eSRAM was in there to compensate for slow DDR3 speeds?
eSRAM isn't magic, Microsoft still would want the highest quality DDR3 they can get in the box.
Whiteshirt
Member
It is. Microsoft still opted for 2133mhz memory, which is still binned memory and not the standard 1066 or 1333mhz crap we normally use in computers.
I don't think so, just standard 2133MHz DDR3. 8GB of that is $60 in retail.
They took the hit because from the very beginning they needed a lot of RAM for their OS that they knew would require a ton of memory. If they had known GDDR5 would be an option at 8 GBs, they would have used that instead but they were already locked into their architecture by the time that was an option. For them it wasn't worth the risk to use better memory since it was not guaranteed that 8 GBs would be affordable.
Sony got the 8 GBs of GDDR5 because they were always going to use GDDR5. So when they found that they could use 8 GBs instead of 4, they didn't have to change the architecture of their system.
It really comes down to a design philosophy. The PS4 was built for games. Plain and simple. That's why the older designs used 4 GBs of GDDR5 instead of 8, but that 4 GBs would have still been great for games due to the high bandwidth. Microsoft on the other hand built their system with multitasking and media services in mind even if it meant building a much less capable gaming system. It's been amusing that they chose this path yet still insist on downplaying and missinforming people about the hardware differences.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Even still, Microsoft paid the same amount as we, the consumer, would have to? That doesn't add up.
I realize this is an old post now, but we know the 8GB GDDR5 was quite a late decision as tons of developers were surprised when it was announced in February and the first demos of Killzone SF that were designed for just 4GB.
Still, a 4GB PS4 would have been much better than the 8GB One in games. The difference would most likely have been worse multitasking and possibly no game DVR.
Check voltage. MS may need lower voltage RAM and what you looked at was probably 1.65V. Nearly all RAM can run at 2133Mhz with high enough voltage.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
No recordings? That's mainly handled by a dedicated chip in the PS4. The Share button has always been on the controller, and GG even demoed a recoding of Killzone at the PlayStation Meeting.
Where are you seeing that? Most of the 2133 mhz DDR3 I'm seeing is around $100 or more. MS could also be using a different chip vendor than whoever makes that supposed $60 2133 mhz DDR3.
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Queen of Hunting
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its amazing how some people still cant accept the new xbox is weaker than the playstation god dam the salt