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Nioh 3 will be console exclusive to PS5 for 6 months
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Light_Crusader25
Banned
These deals could have been inked years ago. We always assume some kind of real-time reaction, when exclusivity talks happen rather early (pre-release, and two-three years in...).
I could be way off, of course, but am opent to being corrected...
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
Sony consider Nioh a PlayStation studios game. It's an identity thing I guess.
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think its a recent deal. Which is why they are highlighting its 6 months only. If it was older, it would never be coming to other platforms.These deals could have been inked years ago. We always assume some kind of real-time reaction, when exclusivity talks happen rather early (pre-release, and two-three years in...).
I could be way off, of course, but am opent to being corrected...
Their fanbase still throws huge tantrums over exclusives. Probably just playing it safe.
Topher
Identifies as young
Ah....well, if there is more to it than I realize then that's fair. I just have a bit of a kneejerk reaction to timed exclusive deals.
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
intheinbetween
Member
The XBOX app is available not only on PC but also on Portable Devices, then you have the benefits of Gamepass, therefore you have a decent user base to sell your games to. No matter how much you dislike MS/XBOX that's a fact and publishers, as stated before, need to build a large user base to make an IP profitable.
And again, porting games is not that hard and expensive as they used to be, since the development tools have evolved for good relying in common technologies and platforms whereas back in the PS2/PS3 era they were completely different.
Hyper_hyper
Member
You know, Nintendo locked From Sotware's game for NSW2 from Xbox and PS5. So, do you have the same energy for that?
Roman Empire
Member
I'd make a snark comment, but tbh this is basically free money for Koei as I doubt they would sell that many copies on Xbox to begin with. Great for them on that easy money.
Now I want to know if Nioh 3 will come to Switch 2 at some point.
Now I want to know if Nioh 3 will come to Switch 2 at some point.
winjer
Gold Member
That is probably, what is going to happen when the game releases half a year later on the Xbox consoles. To no one's surprise, except Xbox fanboys.
Sharius
Member
i didn't buy any of nintendo console since NES, so i honestly don't know
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Switch 2 could easily run this game and probably will in 6 months.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
The smaller these exclusivity windows become, the more meaningless they become.
Especially considering it's still Day 1 on PC.
At least, IMO.
I don't think this is true. For the interim Sony might get lucky due to what's happening with the PC market in terms of pricing, but most PC gamers aren't constantly upgrading their gear or using the most powerful CPUs/GPUs, either. Ironically the only thing that'll make a lot of PCs feel less performant than they actually are, is the shit-tacular eroding of modern Windows.
However if the AI bubble pops sooner than most are guessing, then the sooner prices return to normal, so the sooner the PC gamers who DO like to get more RAM, faster storage, and more powerful CPUs & GPUs will be back at it. And FWIW, it's not just a "single" game. Well, Nioh 3 itself is, but when you consider virtually 95% of all 3P releases these days destined for console also hit PC Day 1, plus the oodles of (usually smaller) 3P indie titles that are exclusive to the platform (for example, on Steam), not to mention SIE themselves having ported almost all but less than a handful of current-gen 1P titles to PC, then it's a pretty large ocean.
Also, I don't think Nioh's original deal way back in 2005 had any bearing on the modern iteration. Those contracts aren't infinite; I'd expect after a period of time the contracts just expire when no product has actually released. Sony/SIE and Koei-Tecmo likely had to renegotiate the contracts for Nioh and Nioh 2 on PS4, at least, that's what I think would have happened.
Especially considering it's still Day 1 on PC.
At least, IMO.
I don't think this is true. For the interim Sony might get lucky due to what's happening with the PC market in terms of pricing, but most PC gamers aren't constantly upgrading their gear or using the most powerful CPUs/GPUs, either. Ironically the only thing that'll make a lot of PCs feel less performant than they actually are, is the shit-tacular eroding of modern Windows.
However if the AI bubble pops sooner than most are guessing, then the sooner prices return to normal, so the sooner the PC gamers who DO like to get more RAM, faster storage, and more powerful CPUs & GPUs will be back at it. And FWIW, it's not just a "single" game. Well, Nioh 3 itself is, but when you consider virtually 95% of all 3P releases these days destined for console also hit PC Day 1, plus the oodles of (usually smaller) 3P indie titles that are exclusive to the platform (for example, on Steam), not to mention SIE themselves having ported almost all but less than a handful of current-gen 1P titles to PC, then it's a pretty large ocean.
Also, I don't think Nioh's original deal way back in 2005 had any bearing on the modern iteration. Those contracts aren't infinite; I'd expect after a period of time the contracts just expire when no product has actually released. Sony/SIE and Koei-Tecmo likely had to renegotiate the contracts for Nioh and Nioh 2 on PS4, at least, that's what I think would have happened.
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Hyper_hyper
Member
You don't need to buy it. But point stands. Game was introduced during NSW2 showcase. Duskblood
nial
Member
Sony have nothing to do now with 3rd Nioh. Koei alone is the publisher of the 3rd one now. It is obvious
sony had nothing to do with nioh 1/2, as far as funding, production, and (main) publishing go. that's all on koei tecmo
the thing is, sony offered (probably as part of the exclusivity deal) to localize the PS4/PS5 releases (steam versions of nioh 1/2 are by koei tecmo worldwide) of both games, and that obviously includes regional publishing as well. go to the Japanese website, and the games list koei tecmo instead
worth mentioning that regional localization pick-ups is something that nintendo has done as well with the switch versions of timed exclusive third-party games (see live a live, for example, which ended up releasing on PS5 just a year later), and if sony has not done it for nioh 3, it's really nothing important to focus on
so, the point is simply enough that nioh 1/2 not releasing on more platforms by now is 100% on koei tecmo
not for rise of the ronin, that was 100% a first-party co-production deal
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
So are you thinking Sony didn't offer to pay them?
If Sony did pay, then how is it 100% on koei tecmo? Honestly it would be hard for Sony to offer too little where it didn't make sense. Xbox Series AAA day 1 sales for Nioh 3 I doubt would register....
If Sony didn't pay a dime and keoi tecmo looked at Xbox sales figures and said it isn't worth rushing this port and Switch 2 port was never gonna make launch anyway, is that really on them? Isn't that on Xbox for not having the userbase to provide the incentive to release the game on that platform, or even Xbox gamers for not buying the game?
Like Nioh 3 isn't releasing on the NeoGeo either, is that also 100% on koei tecmo. I suppose but should we realistically expect a game with low sales potential to launch day and date on a platform that has little hope of recovering the porting costs? Should Koei Tecmo continue to do things traditionally to make us feel warm and fuzzy about it or should they adjust their gameplan based on the market situation?
I'll be honest here, I feel sorry for Xbox Series people too on this but I just don't think I'm ready to be mad at anyone over it yet.
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nial
Member
No, I acknowledged that there was a timed exclusivity deal.
Because exclusivity deals don't last forever. If the exclusivity deal runs out and Koei Tecmo sees no worth on porting the games outside of PlayStation and PC, then that's 100% on them and out of Sony's control.
Hyper_hyper
Member
Asked google AI. I got this :
Yes, Sony Interactive Entertainment played a significant role in funding, marketing, and publishing Nioh (2017) and Nioh 2 (2020) outside of Japan, ensuring they remained exclusive to PlayStation consoles for years.
- Role in Development: While Koei Tecmo and Team Ninja developed the games, Sony helped fund the final production stages of the first game, which had gone through a troubled 13-year development cycle.
- Publishing and Exclusivity: Sony Interactive Entertainment published Nioh 1 and 2 in North America, Europe, and Asia. Koei Tecmo handled publishing in Japan.
- Console Exclusivity: As a result of this partnership, the games were marketed as "Only on PlayStation" and were console exclusives, which is why they did not release on Xbox.
Regarding first Nioh, i remember that it was introduced for PS3 back then.
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nial
Member
ChatGPT making shit up again, I suggest not using it.
Hyper_hyper
Member
Actually it isn't. Nioh was i announced for PS3 exclusively back at 2005. As it says, it came out in 2017. So, it was in development hell.
nial
Member
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
LMAO, the first thing my man nial came out from ban was to argue with 10 people the nuances about Sony first party game. My man never fails to deliver.
nial
Member
ngl, my first target was the nintendo censorship thread. sad that I didn't get to enjoy the peak...
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GAF has been stupid about that for years now. A game that scores a Metacritic 83 shouldn't be consider trash, slop, or GamePass filler.
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Hyper_hyper
Member
It was funded ( partially of course) by Sony. If you check ending credits from 12:40 and onwards, you'll see SCIE, SCIA, Sony R&D etc.. and special thanks to Sony at the end. Same can be applied to Nioh 2. Now, we will see what is the involvement of Sony in Nioh 3
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nial
Member
No, that's all part of the localization work. You could say that they funded the localization, but that's about it.
Hyper_hyper
Member
Sony R&D is not for marketing stuff nor localization. That stuff was from SCIE/A/J
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Why even bother to pay for the exclusivity at this point. Or is this about the Switch 2?
nial
Member
Localization (or rather, regional publishing) is more than just translations. The 'Sony R&D' stuff you mention is network engineering work done by SIE Europe for their specific build of the game.
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Hyper_hyper
Member
That's part of a funding, yes. One way or another
nial
Member
so what I said:
It doesn't change the fact that it's still a production by Koei Tecmo and not Sony. Nioh 3 is the same.
vaibhavpisal
Member
How do you know all this ?
nial
Member
the ability to discern information and mobygames research
vaibhavpisal
Member
Is that enough to make out if there was a exclusivity deal or not?
Its possible only a few executives would know about it.
nial
Member
eh...
I don't think you understood the discussion.
Edit: or I could have possibly misunderstood you. Still, it doesn't matter if there was an exclusivity deal or not, the point is that Sony had nothing to do with the making of Nioh 1 and 2, outside of regional publishing (from licensing) and localization.
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vaibhavpisal
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nial
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bender
What time is it?
JackedTortoise09
Neo Member
Again seeing the same comments over and over again on these types of threads " why do they even bother, no one on Xbox buys games", and yet most games continue to ship on Xbox, with the majority being day and date with PS/PC.
Could it be the people in charge of these decisions at all these different studios/publishers actually have the spreadsheets and know that porting to Xbox is worth their time? No, they're wrong, it's the fanboys here with no data to anything who are right.
Could it be the people in charge of these decisions at all these different studios/publishers actually have the spreadsheets and know that porting to Xbox is worth their time? No, they're wrong, it's the fanboys here with no data to anything who are right.
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