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[HeisenbergFX4]

I feel like you know something about PlayStation Publishing that you are hiding.

Totally honest I don't hear near as much on the games side as I do hardware

And I know I didn't really address what you said

 

[bitbydeath]

Did you even read the article? Yes there are dev kits required

Interesting if true, unless they just meant prototype.

 

[SomeNorseGuy]

Going to be interesting to see this thing finally. We've been talking about this thing for quite a while.

No matter who you're rooting for, new hardware is always exciting.

 

[Orbital2060]

I'd imagine dev kits would need to be sent out more than 6 months before projected launch if they want to have games for the thing ready by launch, whether new or updates to older games.

Spoiler

 

[Ozriel]

We need K KeplerL2 thoughts on this. Can a early 2026 tapeout = a early 2027 launch date?

We already know Navi 5 won't be ready until late 2027.

Not dismay... but looking how MS is treating this division, this last xbox IF released, will have surface levels of importance to the market (and they have only themselves to blame!)

I can only care about myself as a consumer. And the idea of a powerful, small form factor PC/Xbox hybrid that can play pretty much everything aside from Nintendo exclusives is quite appealing.

Also, full PC VR support

 

[Tobimacoss]

Spoiler

Maybe the brits just like covering their PCs in cloth?

 

[PauloRoberto]

Maybe the brits just like covering their PCs in cloth?

Or a PS Dev kit? Since the game wasnt annouced to PS yet (if it will be announced, of course)...

 

[Topher]

Or a PS Dev kit? Since the game wasnt annouced to PS yet (if it will be announced, of course)...

They have Xbox controllers in their hands

 

[twilo99]

I'd imagine dev kits would need to be sent out more than 6 months before projected launch if they want to have games for the thing ready by launch, whether new or updates to older games.

What dev kits?

Devs can just buy any PC instead

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Time for another The Game Awards reveal!

They would announce in the summer for a Fall 2027 launch no?

 

[PauloRoberto]

They have Xbox controllers in their hands

Which means nothing (those 'Perfect Dark' photos comes to mind :-D)

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What dev kits?

Devs can just buy any PC instead

Per the article

"A road map that was shared as part of the leaked documents showed Microsoft targeting an early 2026 tapeout for silicon, with the first development kits shipping in late 2026 / early 2027."

 

[adamsapple]

They would announce in the summer for a Fall 2027 launch no?

Series X was announced at The Game Awards of the previous year.

 

[BattleScar]

SoC might be ready... But is the RAM?

 

[Matchew]

The most exciting development in gaming for a generation or more.

Not wrong. The Steam machine is too weak, and this looks like what everyone wanted the Steam machine to be. Not being locked to one storefront is also a huge bonus.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

SoC might be ready... But is the RAM?

It probally uses 3 GB 32 gbps GDDR7 chips, which is available now.... in theory.

 

[DR3AM]

Day 1.
With PS6 getting delayed until 2028/29, Xbox will get a HUGE next gen advantage
My boy Phil does it again.

 

[Cumulus]

At this point, does it even matter what Xbox puts out? They have de facto lost their "console baseline" status. They could put out a supercomputer and the next playstation would still dictate what games are designed to run on.
So whatever they release in the end, it will be just another gadget among many.

 

[KeplerL2]

Spoiler

Nah too early for that

 

[RoboFu]

I hope that SOC is a real retail thing that lets you build your own Xbox. That would be pretty neat. It might do very well if it's cpu/gpu/ram all in one.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I hope that SOC is a real retail thing that lets you build your own Xbox. That would be pretty neat. It might do very well if it's cpu/gpu/ram all in one.

Part of this is that they are going to add a console-like mode to Windows that any PC could use. Only PC games though and not any Series ones.

 

[BattleScar]

It probally uses 3 GB 32 gbps GDDR7 chips, which is available now.... in theory.

Is it though?
In the current climate of DRAM manufacturer's pouring all their eggs into the AI basket.

 

[Topher]

Not wrong. The Steam machine is too weak, and this looks like what everyone wanted the Steam machine to be. Not being locked to one storefront is also a huge bonus.

There were really no expectations for a Steam Machine to even exist. Steam Machine is not locked to one store front. And we don't know prices of any of this stuff so "too weak" doesn't mean much at this point.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Is it though?

That's why I said in theory. The NV 50 Supers were going to use it.

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Day 1.
With PS6 getting delayed until 2028/29, Xbox will get a HUGE next gen advantage
My boy Phil does it again.

PS6 will be out late 2027 as planned. People thinking otherwise are fooling themselves.

Regarding next Xbox I'm excited to learn more about it.

 

[KeplerL2]

Is it though?
In the current climate of DRAM manufacturer's pouring all their eggs into the AI basket.

There are plenty of next-gen accelerators using GDDR7

 

[BattleScar]

There are plenty of next-gen accelerators using GDDR7

Yeah, the key operator there being accelerators. You can get much better margins serving data center.
Unless of course Microsoft leveraged their DC procurement to the benefit of Xbox and overpaid for a consistent supply.

 

[yogaflame]

is it just me or is the next xbox more of a steambox competitor than playstation?

More like Steam machine competitor but it might be more expensive than Steam machine. I will not be shock if MS will launch Xbox hybrid on 2027, because xbox series x/s are so badly beaten througout the years and last years numbers was nail to the coffin. This might be there last card or MS will comeback to being a third party game developer and publisher.

Now the question is, will it be just like Asus rog ally x, where different companies will each build different version of xbox hybrid? Maybe a Dell xbox, or Asus xbox?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Series X was announced at The Game Awards of the previous year.

Are you saying 2026?

 

[adamsapple]

Are you saying 2026?

It's possible, if the plan is to release it in Q4 2027.

 

[Ozriel]

It's possible, if the plan is to release it in Q4 2027.

And unlike PlayStation, Microsoft doesn't have to worry about the Osborne Effect since Xbox Series sales have fallen off a cliff anyway.

A 2026 announcement would also keep some buyers away from the Steam Machine in holiday 2026.

 

[OLED_Gamer]

Really curious how this plays out. This is MS' last shot.

 

[Shogmaster]

Hmmm... "semi-custom", where have I heard that word before?

Its AT2 plus custom CPU chiplet.

AT2 will be RDNA 5 replacement of RX 9070XT.

 

[kruis]

More like Steam machine competitor but it might be more expensive than Steam machine. I will not be shock if MS will launch Xbox hybrid on 2027, because xbox series x/s are so badly beaten througout the years and last years numbers was nail to the coffin. This might be there last card or MS will comeback to being a third party game developer and publisher.

This Xbox PC hybrid should have come out four months ago. That would have been the right moment now Xbox Series S/X sales are cratering and it's time for a hail mary/last hurrah from MS to spur new interest in Xbox. It could even have been reasonably affordable since manufacturing would have already begun before the RAM crisis reared its ugly head.

But in Q4 2027 the Xbox brand will be dead and buried. If Xbox only sold 1.5-2 million consoles in 2025, just imagine the state of Xbox in 2027. Xbox on PC arrives far, far too late to change anything. In fact, there's nothing stopping other companies from releasing their own clones if MS makes a new Windows available with the "Xbox on PC" enhancements. The difference will be that those 3rd party clones won't have built-in Xbox One/Series hw compatibility, but how much of a selling point is this to people who just want a cheap "PC in a box" and don't care about Xbox?

 

[Shogmaster]

PS6 will be out late 2027 as planned. People thinking otherwise are fooling themselves.

Regarding next Xbox I'm excited to learn more about it.

We pretty much know the hardware except for RAM amount. The mystery is how they will handle XBox BC.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Are you saying 2026?

So they announced Series Consoles as Project Scarlett in June showcase 2019, then reveal of X console in December 2019 at the Awards, 11 months before launch in November 2020. So they could detail Project Magnus this June showcase, full reveal for November 15th which is Xbox 25th Anniversary, then launch November 2027.

Its AT2 plus custom CPU chiplet.

AT2 will be RDNA 5 replacement of RX 9070XT.

AT2 but with 70 CUs and two disabled to 68 rather than 72. The discrete GPUs should maybe have 72?

If the 5 GPU dies follow the pattern, 24, 48, 72, 96, 192.

 

[Shogmaster]

So they announced Series Consoles as Project Scarlett in June showcase 2019, then reveal of X console in December 2019 at the Awards, 11 months before launch in November 2020. So they could detail Project Magnus this June showcase, full reveal for November 15th which is Xbox 25th Anniversary, then launch November 2027.

AT2 but with 70 CUs and two disabled to 68 rather than 72. The discrete GPUs should maybe have 72?

If the 5 GPU dies follow the pattern, 24, 48, 72, 96, 192.

It could possibly be binned AT2 for yields, but if that's true, it would be 72 minus 4, not 70 minus 2. It doesn't make sense to tape out a different die just for Magnus. It defeats the entire purpose of using AT2 in Magnus, making AT2 much more ubiquitous.

 

[yogaflame]

This Xbox PC hybrid should have come out four months ago. That would have been the right moment now Xbox Series S/X sales are cratering and it's time for a hail mary/last hurrah from MS to spur new interest in Xbox. It could even have been reasonably affordable since manufacturing would have already begun before the RAM crisis reared its ugly head.

But in Q4 2027 the Xbox brand will be dead and buried. If Xbox only sold 1.5-2 million consoles in 2025, just imagine the state of Xbox in 2027. Xbox on PC arrives far, far too late to change anything. In fact, there's nothing stopping other companies from releasing their own clones if MS makes a new Windows available with the "Xbox on PC" enhancements. The difference will be that those 3rd party clones won't have built-in Xbox One/Series hw compatibility, but how much of a selling point is this to people who just want a cheap "PC in a box" and don't care about Xbox?

They should have launch this xbox hybrid along with Asus rog ally x. Now it will go head to head with Steam machine which is also a pc hybrid.

 

[Thebonehead]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is coming from someone who mentions Xbox every single day and in every thread, even though it's supposedly dead, more than any other console brand.

Anyway, is a "tell me you're suffering and furious about some news, without actually telling me you're suffering and furious about some news..."

Great contribution

I blame the alcohol for M MisterXDTV posts.

Not the stuff he drunk, but the copious amounts his mother did when she was pregnant.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Not gonna happen. Believe lot of the console manufacturers and hell even the ones that just make pc handhelds are gonna lay back until this memory boom crap comes back down. I don't blame on buying anything new or even a upgrade gpu anytime soon

 

[DenchDeckard]

Like anyone cares what they launch or not..

Lol

A PS2 mini would sell more in 2027

MIllions will care.

 

[FalconPunch]

Launch a new console in this economy? At how much? With what exclusives? Who is going to buy an xbox then?

If gamers are already crying that the ps6 should be delayed, xbox sales are cratering, no must have games on the horizon for 2027, why would anyone buy it?

 

[DenchDeckard]

You don't need a dev kit for a pc. Either it's a console with a dev kit or it's a pc. So, we shouldn't worry about dev kits if it's a pc.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Really curious how this plays out. This is MS' last shot.

This will make the WiiU look like a smash hit.

 

[dgrdsv]

SoC being ready for design and production means nothing for when a product using the SoC will actually launch.
The most recent egregious example is Switch2 with it's SoC being ready circa 2019 and the system launching in 2025.

 

[Moses85]

Next generation next year wherever the market is ready OR NOT!!

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

Am I getting old or is all of this just incredibly boring

 

[Radical_3d]

Not wrong. The Steam machine is too weak, and this looks like what everyone wanted the Steam machine to be. Not being locked to one storefront is also a huge bonus.

Specially if you can install SteamOS in this thing and abandon whatever horrible W11 split this thing uses.

There are plenty of next-gen accelerators using GDDR7

If true that'd be the only part where Sony hasn't cheapen out for what we've heard it's leaked.

MIllions will care.

I'll have you know that I've saved this message, Deckard.

 

[PlayStaytion]

2nd half

Nov 15th, it's not a secret.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I'm more interested in how major publishers like R* react to Magnus cause other than that it's just a piece of plastic box and we've seen many of them.