SupremeJ
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Ok, let's say. How much will it cost with this RDNA5 architecture? I'm guessing $8-900, with profit.
This is not an entry level or base pricing product...
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Sony hikes up PS5 pricing in April: PS5 – $649.99, PS5 Digital Edition – $599.99 PS5 Pro – $899.99, Portal $249.99
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This is not an entry level or base pricing product...
Tobimacoss
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More like $549-$599. And if Sony does a TV box version of Canis, without the screen and battery, could be $499. It doesn't use GDDR7 ram btw.
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Mr.Phoenix
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Ever heard of Ockham's razor?
That and you don't know what you are talking about, even though it seems like you do. You think these contracts last forever? They are pretty much renewed every 6-12 months. And while you are riding on the hate train, you think TSMC, Samsung or Micron has any obligations or loyalties to Sony? When there are companies willing to pay 5x more than market value for the entirety of their manufacturing capacity?
But I am sure this simple explanation is not dramatic enough for you... so go ahead, pushing this notion that Sony would choose to do something that will guarantee they sell fewer consoles and stifle their market growth.
Thebonehead
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Feels like Sony is pricing in the cost of the ps6 to allow themselves to absorb some of those costs in advance.
It's fascinating to try and second guess what's happening in these crazy times.
And I thought the covid lockdown was a strange time.
J Required
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I think people are overlooking the real reasons behind these price increases. Sure, AI has played a role—it's driving up demand for wafers and RAM, which is tightening supply and pushing material costs higher.
But another factor that's getting ignored is plastics. Prices for materials like polyethylene, polypropylene, and PVC—basically the core materials used in most of these devices—have spiked by around 40% in just 30 days. That alone would have taken a serious hit on the bill of materials (BoM).
But another factor that's getting ignored is plastics. Prices for materials like polyethylene, polypropylene, and PVC—basically the core materials used in most of these devices—have spiked by around 40% in just 30 days. That alone would have taken a serious hit on the bill of materials (BoM).
$500 for a 4TF turd. Absolutely nonsense.
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SupremeJ
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Man, the base Xbox Ally with RDNA2 costs $600. Period... Wake up...
nial
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Those devices not only are not subsidized, but they're also designed to make a ton of profit in mind. Asus, and other OEM companies, have no software to back it up.
Agreed, corps like Sony don't do things without planning, and I commented earlier in this thread that increasing the price now will make the PS6 seem better value in comparison. GTA6 is the issue though as they'll be expecting a bump from that and this increase won't help.
Tobimacoss
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Depending on the clocks, should be over 5 Teraflops and closer to 6 Teraflops GPU compute. But the AI upscaling kicks in when needed. It's the 24 GB LPDDR5X RAM that will be majority of the Bill of Materials. Unless Sony goes with 18 GB.
And it's often on sale for $489. Plus 20% OEM profit margins. Sony also has economy of scale in selling millions more units. Next gen Xbox Ally Base model would likely have 12 CU RDNA5 vs 16 in Canis.
OEM profit margins are usually 20-25%.
StreetsofBeige
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Sony is not selling PS6 for less or same as PS5 or Pro. It'll be more. Why would they sell PS6 for less than last gen?
No differernt than other gens. The new product is better and sells for more than the last gen product. And the way chip prices are, no consoles are going to getting those juicy 50% off bargain binning like way back. I remember seeing PS4 and Xbox One for $200. And even crazier were older gens you'd get them for $100 when the new systems would be coming out. PS2 was crazy. I remember seeing their last slim model for $79.
Best hope for pricing is chips get cheaper and PS5 (with drive) gets back to $500. Pro goes back down too to $700. Then PS6 is $900-1000.
If prices dont come down, PS6 is $1,000+ easy if Pro is already at $900 US.
No differernt than other gens. The new product is better and sells for more than the last gen product. And the way chip prices are, no consoles are going to getting those juicy 50% off bargain binning like way back. I remember seeing PS4 and Xbox One for $200. And even crazier were older gens you'd get them for $100 when the new systems would be coming out. PS2 was crazy. I remember seeing their last slim model for $79.
Best hope for pricing is chips get cheaper and PS5 (with drive) gets back to $500. Pro goes back down too to $700. Then PS6 is $900-1000.
If prices dont come down, PS6 is $1,000+ easy if Pro is already at $900 US.
Mr.Phoenix
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While I don't think Canis would be $500... just wanted to point out that this is not how value is measured.
So would we pay $500 for a 4TF turd? What if in that product category, its competition costs %600? $700? or hell, $1000.
Bet that $500 starts looking like a bargain.
Well this theoretical $500 unit is headless with no display or battery apparently.
Is that meant to be compelling versus a 10TF PS5 from this generation?
Mr.Phoenix
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Not true, albeit your generalization is a flawed one to begin with, but I'll indulge you. The PS5 base price was the same as the PS4 base price. And technically, cheaper if you factor in inflation... so there goes your theory right there.
I do agree that the PS6would be sold at the price of the PS5pro though. When the pro was announced, I said this is a good test for them to see how far they can push the PS6s price. I dodnt expect this price hike though, then again I didn't expect the RAM crisis...
They haven't gone up every gen.
PlayStation $299
PlayStation 2 $299
PlayStation 3 $499
PlayStation 4 $399
PlayStation 4 Pro $399
PlayStation 5 $399 (Digital)
PlayStation 5 Pro $699
$1,000 would be way out there in comparison, but it's weird times for pricing.
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Mr.Phoenix
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Remember the Pro doesn't come with the disc drive, you have to buy it separately
Feel Like I'm On 42
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This is BAD. The Pro is now a $1000 console with disc drive. Absolute insanity and I'm perplexed Sony isn't willing to take a small hit on consoles in order to keep the generation going strong console sales wise.
Remember Sony already didn't take a loss in 2020 when PS5 released. The first gen in history to do that! The reprocussions of this are going to affect console gaming for many years into the future in a VARIETY of ways- from consumer confidence in console gaming, to release dates for next gen, to what kind of meaningful power increases we can expect to PRICE, to how long the CROSS GEN period will go on for ....
Somethings got to give. While many factors haven't been in Sony and MS' cobtrol this gen, both companies have also made so many epicly bad decisions mostly born out of greed that console gaming has been affected so negatively. A perfect storm of economic factors and out of touch greedy CEOs.
These scumbags can't give anybody a break on prices to maintain the smallest amount of good will towards the gamers who've made them. They're still even charging for things like the ability to play online multiplayer games! The whole gen we've been nickel and dimed to death and now this.
Remember Sony already didn't take a loss in 2020 when PS5 released. The first gen in history to do that! The reprocussions of this are going to affect console gaming for many years into the future in a VARIETY of ways- from consumer confidence in console gaming, to release dates for next gen, to what kind of meaningful power increases we can expect to PRICE, to how long the CROSS GEN period will go on for ....
Somethings got to give. While many factors haven't been in Sony and MS' cobtrol this gen, both companies have also made so many epicly bad decisions mostly born out of greed that console gaming has been affected so negatively. A perfect storm of economic factors and out of touch greedy CEOs.
These scumbags can't give anybody a break on prices to maintain the smallest amount of good will towards the gamers who've made them. They're still even charging for things like the ability to play online multiplayer games! The whole gen we've been nickel and dimed to death and now this.
nial
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This is wrong, and they continued to report losses in hardware (in non-discount periods) all the way to 2024.
StreetsofBeige
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Console makers realized starting I think the PS4/X1 gen they dont need to subsidize or bargain bin consoles. They are happy capping their unit growth for sake of being profitable faster. No more of those -$200 subsidy things to give gamers a break and make it back on software.
A lot gamers probably just milk F2P games too now, so if they sell a console for a loss they'll make nothing except sub plan money and hope for MTX cuts. And for PS, I think F2P games dont even require a PS+ sub. I think Xbox does (or used to). The old gens F2P wasnt really a thing so people were buying games all the time.
Console makers just took longer to figure it out. Loss leaders or shitty breakeven promos are something companies did way back selling soup and salami. There wasnt a lot of detailed analysis those eras so it was about truckload sales and trying to ram in as much crap as possible to sell on front page bonanzas. It was all about being #1 market share at all costs. Problem is you might even lose money. But systems data was so shitty back then, sometimes it was hard to analyze all these deals what was a good or bad deal. It was more about volume and tonnage metrics, than profits. A lot of companies got away from those metrics long time ago. Console makers it's more of a recent thing.
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Cumulus
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If we were talking about a few percent here and there, yes...
But we are talking about several hundred percent increases. Anyone who ever thought Sony would just eat that is a total moron.
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J Required
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It's also happening across multiple fronts at the same time. Different BoM items are being affected simultaneously, and companies across the board are reevaluating their pricing.
Microsoft raised their prices last year, Nintendo will likely raise prices soon (they already did for OG Switch), and Samsung has already started discounting some of its high-end phones because the BoM got too high to sustain their original pricing. And those are just a couple of examples—we're seeing similar patterns play out across multiple industries.
StreetsofBeige
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I think some people still think console makers will eat big subsidies for gamers to get everyone back to the magical $400 threshold. Prices have edged up for generations $100 here or there and not much has happened. PS systems still selling a ton.
All console makers are jacking up their prices and they dont give a shit if it scares off some buyers. They'd rather save a $100 loss than subsidize a gamer who might not even make them money. It's simply a change in mentality. If this was the PS2/Xbox OG or 360/PS3 days, it seemed like endless price wars. First company that figured out how to sell it for $99 probably got a victory party at head office.
asdasdasdbb
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The PS5 was sold at a loss in the beginning. They did manage to get close to break even on the disc drive model at one point.
The days of $300-$400 subsidies like the PS3... yeah those are over.
nial
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They were over because it made no sense anymore when PS4 and PS5 just needed a $50 loss in order to hit an affordable price. PS6 will be different.
asdasdasdbb
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That's why I've been saying that the plan was to continue selling the PS5 alongside the PS6.
Plan B would be to rush out a PS6 "Series S".
PatientGamer
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Think the wider question we should be asking is.. what choice did they have and why are RAM and Storage in such short supply. (AI is the answer).
Yeah, I think it's only a matter of time. Or maybe, we'll see a large contraction instead. Ballooning budgets, more layoffs, AI.. most B-tier games and studios will close
nial
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It's not going to be, they're not going to secure enough memory to sustain both platforms at the same time.
StreetsofBeige
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Yup.
And like every gen, the console maker still focuses on selling the old gen console for years until it finally fizzles out.
And if chip prices dont come down, then PS5 (disc or digital) will be $600-650, Pro $900, and PS6 $1,000 minimum. Add another $50-100 for a model that has a disc drive.
Mortisfacio
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Gaming hardware is, as the kids say, cooked.
MisterXDTV
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The moment a PS6 is released, PS5 perceived value plummets
You are basically telling the consumer PS5 is officially obsolete
So Sony would be risking to kill sales of both consoles at the same time
Terrible strategy
Rising_Hei
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In this trend continues on the next generation, I'll pass.
I feel like they want to rob us of our power to own anything, so we have to pay for cloud services.
I could probably game with my 5070 until 203X something anyway.
I feel like they want to rob us of our power to own anything, so we have to pay for cloud services.
I could probably game with my 5070 until 203X something anyway.
asdasdasdbb
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Which is fine since the PS6 is going to slot right in the PS5 Pro's price point.
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Kaiserstark
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If there isn't a RAM/NAND price collapse, do you have a guess how much the PS6 will cost in 2027?
Before I was thinking $699 but I don't even know if that's possible without Sony losing too much money on each console.
Xaeroxcore666
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So, when PS5 launched, it was overpriced to most part of the final users market due to scalping, chip supply due to covid, etc, so until 2022, 2023 was hard to find for it´s $500 for the base model with disc drive. Also, during the gen the console has reached now THREE raises in price, due to RAM crisis, AI, war on middle east, etc... Can someone explain me, if the prices of PS5 line up were raised previoulsy 2 times before this third raise? Why is Sony passing all these manufacturing and supply chain costs onto the consumers? while in like 30 years of existence of PlayStation, by 6 years and way less of lifespan we normally had a price cut. Is this by any matter understandable? and even defensible? Isn't Sony taking advantage of its market position and world events precisely to avoid generating any losses at our expense?
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nial
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8 million units with data as of December 31, 2025. Probably around 5-6M when taking into account what sales will look like as of March 31, 2026.
