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AMD R9 390X benchmarks leak
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JJKillaNOLE
Neo Member
Well if you think the 980 is expensive, then the 980 ti will be more expensive than that. But of course less than the Titan.
Dictator93
Member
I was agreeing with you earlier though?
I mean it depends heavily on the game (metro 2033 is nice at 120, but is still pretty great at 60 with a lot less aliasing). Though competitive games are much nicer at 120. Most of things you need to sacrafice for framerate though have nothing to do with texture quality. So it is a shame when a game makes you do that due to such a seemingly inane category (VRAM).
Its just gonna [rightfully] become tougher to sell at its current high price.
Maintenance
Member
4GB? Seriously? Haha.
Unknown Soldier
Member
People aren't really falling for these old slides are they?
exmachina64
Banned
Hahaha.
No, Shadowplay has supported desktop capture and higher resolutions for a long time now. Especially the former is very important for me since I use borderless windowed fullscreen a lot.
Honestly, Shadowplay works better than any dedicated capture cards I am aware of which are less than $1000.
Better than the Avermedia C985?
Suppose the only other benefit of a capture card is that you can put it in a different PC entirely to completely offload the streaming/capturing process.
By far. Shadowplay allows capture of up to 4k 60 FPS, that card does 1080p at 30. Really, you don't get in that realm with consumer capture equipment right now.
The real benefit is capturing non-PC sources in my opinion. The good thing is that those also have generally lower output resolution
Whoa!
That's...quite a difference. I've not had much experience, just recording people flying after shooting them with a shotgun in Far Cry 4. I liked, though, how easy and pain free it was. Is anyone familiar with AMD's GVR (I think it's called?). Does it have similar "limitations" and ease-of-use?
Skyfireblaze
Member
Soo umm all in all I should wait till next year to upgrade my 7970 aka 280x?
Train of Midnight
Banned
Man, the GPU market has been so stagnant lately. AMD really need to get their shit together and offer some real competition.
Really hoping this is the first sign of that.
Really hoping this is the first sign of that.
adampa1006
Banned
The same people laughing at 4GB probably have 970, 980, or SLI configurations of those. I am laughing myself too.
This is probably pretty accurate of what performance will be. If Nvidia holds back the 980Ti for whatever reason, AMD can happily place this card in the $649-$749 range. Bad news for AMD is that a 980Ti with 6GB will be much more attractive, so they will have to undercut it.
AMD has had the memory advantage since the 4000 series, and don't underestimate them this time around. HBM1 might mean they have to do 4GB, but HBM is called "high bandwidth memory" for a reason. Stick to the benchmarks to find the truth; you will find none in irrelevant fanboys laughing. If these benchmarks are true, 4GB is fine for 4K.
Look at the facts. The 295X2 is 4GB, 980 SLI is 4 GB, and these cards (especially the latter) still consistently beat the Titan X as long as multicard drivers are working. Hell look at the OP, how many 4GB setups are beating the Titan X? 3.5GB 970 SLI beats a Titan X at 4K when the drivers are sound. 3GB 780Ti beats the 3.5GB 970, 4GB 290 (non x), and 6GB Titan at 4K. It really depends how this thing is priced, but 4GB alone is not as much as a pejorative feature as some of you think. Only if it costs the same or more than a 980Ti 6GB is AMD in trouble. But I think it will be less, and then it's easily the best choice from a price-performance standpoint. We shall see.
AMD has had the memory advantage since the 4000 series, and don't underestimate them this time around. HBM1 might mean they have to do 4GB, but HBM is called "high bandwidth memory" for a reason. Stick to the benchmarks to find the truth; you will find none in irrelevant fanboys laughing. If these benchmarks are true, 4GB is fine for 4K.
Look at the facts. The 295X2 is 4GB, 980 SLI is 4 GB, and these cards (especially the latter) still consistently beat the Titan X as long as multicard drivers are working. Hell look at the OP, how many 4GB setups are beating the Titan X? 3.5GB 970 SLI beats a Titan X at 4K when the drivers are sound. 3GB 780Ti beats the 3.5GB 970, 4GB 290 (non x), and 6GB Titan at 4K. It really depends how this thing is priced, but 4GB alone is not as much as a pejorative feature as some of you think. Only if it costs the same or more than a 980Ti 6GB is AMD in trouble. But I think it will be less, and then it's easily the best choice from a price-performance standpoint. We shall see.
ashecitism
Member
Why hasn't the OP been updated that these are old, and recent rumors say it'll have 8GB?
He even acknowledged that is old after people pointed it out, yet just left the OP like that smh
He even acknowledged that is old after people pointed it out, yet just left the OP like that smh
Having run into several situations at only 3440x1440 where 4GB wasn't enough with a GTX980 SLI setup I don't agree.
I ran out of VRAM in Wolfenstein, Shadow of Mordor, and GTA V (with MSAA on). If you're on the borderline of not having enough VRAM, it doesn't always translate to a significantly lower average FPS, but you'll get stuttering. If the game flat out requires more VRAM than your card has at all times, then FPS will drop to single digits.
dr_rus
Member
Less an issue of AMD's shit and more an issue of TSMC and GloFo shits.
shadowhunter89
Banned
totally legit... especially with the 4GB of VRAM....
Maintenance
Member
When games like GTA V, maxed, are already using more than 4GBs of memory at 1080p (tried it myself to see how much it would use), putting 4GB on the flagship card seems stupid, unless it is a physical limitation of HBM.
Nice try though.
Nah, I'm waiting myself for 8GB cards, been for a while. Will probably have to wait until HBM2, I'll not waste my money on a 4GB card. Keep laughing though, it is funny to watch.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I don't plan to make a decision before this fall on which GPU to but its looking pretty strong for 390x.
Because of the launch window of the 390x I'm guessing its going to be the most DX12 compliant GPU on the market or does the Titian-X feature full DX12 support even though it was released before DX12.
Because of the launch window of the 390x I'm guessing its going to be the most DX12 compliant GPU on the market or does the Titian-X feature full DX12 support even though it was released before DX12.
GamingArena
Member
It will come down to Overclocking if its bad overclocker Titan X will smoke it, since Titan OC like beast 30-40% OC
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Irobot82
Member
I wonder about how this will affect things. So for you, I assume you run into microstuttering as the VRAM is offloading and loading up different data right? So with HBM since it's so fast will this become a non issue?
Dictator93
Member
No, it will still stutter just like any config. Drawing from system ram or the disk is super slow regardless of how fast your VRAM is.
Obviously multi-gpu setups beat a Titan X if the game doesn't use much VRAM. Completely a different story when the game needs to use more than 4GB VRAM.
Forever waiting for the die shrink.
Pimpbaa
Member
If turning down texture detail and other rather hungry effects in future games is running "fine" then yes. 4GB is ok NOW, but we already have examples of games going over 4GB. Particularly if you are going over 1080p. Hell even the launch title Killzone Shadow Fall on the PS4 used over 3.5GB for vram usage. Buying a top end or near top end video card with just barely enough vram for current games just doesn't make much sense. Even the lowly Geforce 960 now comes with 4GB of ram.
cyen
Member
yep, it´s been too much time on 28nm, 14/16nm Finfet will bring a big performance boost.
Train of Midnight
Banned
It really baffles me that NVidia can have such a mind blowing fiasco like the RAM issue, and still have the very same GPU dominate the market.
ColonialRaptor
Member
What NM is this model? Is it the 14?
28 lol
Next year is going to be fun with the GTX1080/490X. My guess is Nvidia will win simply because they have more money and stability to throw around.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well the 970 actually is a good card, and there aren't very many situations where a game uses exactly between 3.5 GB and 4 GB of RAM where the issue would be dramatically obvious versus a 980.
Because it is overblown, and nVidia is tops.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
It's still a great card. The benchmarks people look at in reviews before purchasing didn't change.
Irobot82
Member
We aren't positive 8GB it is possible with HBM 1. There is a rumor from the likes of WCCFTech that you can use a dual link interposer (I think that's what it's called). But I haven't seen proof from anywhere else.
Understood. Thanks for catching me up!
Whether 4gb is enough or not enough technically is besides the point. There's plenty of enthusisiast buyers that will probably get the titan X for fear of not having enough ram in the future.
If these benchmarks are right, I can't see the 390X being any less than $700. It looks like it performs at Titan X levels.
Unknown Soldier
Member
WCCFTech rumors are just for funsies. Don't take anything they post seriously, they aren't as useless as SemiAccurate but they really aren't much better either.
These were confirmed fake, thread should be locked.
adamantypants
Member
Pffffft
I'm coming off a 780ti. Consider me unfazed by the power consumption
I'm coming off a 780ti. Consider me unfazed by the power consumption
JJKillaNOLE
Neo Member
I agree. It's so much more than average FPS. Most people just look at the average FPS and think that's the end all be all. You also need to take into account Frame Times. The Tech Report did a fantastic job at comparing the "experience" of gaming on a 295x2 compared to a Titan X. Even though the average frame rates were higher for the 295x2, that doesn't necesessarly translate to a better gaming experience.
http://techreport.com/review/27969/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-graphics-card-reviewed/12
Xplatformer
Member
And....how loud is it...how hot does it run?
That power consumption in performance for watt will actually be quite good, only beaten by Maxwell. Same power as 290X but 49% faster? That's awesome.
And yes, it should be rather quiet. They are confirmed to use water cooling for the reference.
More good info here, including:
- "16GB would be hard, but 8GB is well within specs from Hynix."
- Why Water cooling on a small PCB?
- Why HBM?
- Why 28nm and not 20nm?
- Why Fiji is an evolution of Tonga?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twk-0On2Exg
This is a confirmed picture.