a big jump from your Camry lol, what did you expect?
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a big jump from your Camry lol, what did you expect?
mmazurkiewicz
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I went to a F80 M3 from a Camry. LOLz.
Worse gas mileage. More grins. Lol
SliChillax
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I never tried to argue about the fact that they are in the same category and I know perfectly well what cars compare directly to the M3/M4, I just said that people consider them both before buying. My friend already got the M4 (and crashed it within a week) because although he knew the Cayman was a better drivers car, he didn't think it was the right choice as it would be his everyday car.
jongkookie
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I just got out of Spectre... movie was alright, nothing can ever top Casino Royale, it's as good as Skyfall and also anything is better than that POS called Quantum of Solace lol.
As for the cars themselves... they're beautiful but I feel like they were underused. The movie literally went from air -> land -> air -> sea in terms of vehicle sequences.
I guess it's cool that they tried to tone down the advertising, there was only one Bond item that is central to Spectre but it's a spoiler so I'm not saying anything. But yeah, not a lot of Sony phones or cars this time.
Also, good grief,
Batista
Wut.
Are people really cross shopping an RCF with an M3?
As much as I like the RCF I personally don't think it's worthy of having the M3 and C63 AMG as competition. The RCF feels like a toy compared to those serious beasts.
Damn. How did that happen?
They're in the same ballpark. Souped up versions of entry level luxury cars.
RCF is definitely in last place compared to the other two though. Wish the brilliant team of engineers that designed the LFA would get a crack at a down segment car.
SliChillax
Member
Brand new car brand new tyres. The Pilot Super Sports are horrible in the rain and they need to get warmed up good before trying anything, especially on a brand new tyre. He didn't know that because he was used to driving a Range Rover so he lost control in the rain while going straight, touched the accelerator just a bit and hit a tree. Car had around 700km.
As for the RCF, it's not a bad car especially considering it's cheaper than an M4 with similar options. Here's what Matt Farrah has to say about it after trying it for a 3rd time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39cugr0GtQ
lem0n
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The GT4 doesn't really have any serious competition, and even a car as good as the AMG GT/GTS wouldn't be cross-shopped, I wouldn't think. Then again a lot of people looking at these types of cars don't think of how different they are, they all just want somethings that's rare or flashy. Not all, but a fair few of em. So IDK maybe it will compete. AMG is such a weird car, I'm not too sure what to consider it. It's got sports car performance yet it's extremely luxurious.
SliChillax
Member
GT-S compares more to the Carrera or the F-Type. I would consider the Lotus Evora 400 or Exige S as a direct competitor to the GT4.
I think GT S directly competes with the R8.
SliChillax
Member
That's a good price but so much depends on condition and what maintenance the car needs. As Dave said, get a PPI. Pay the couple hundred bucks to have a qualified Porsche mechanic go over the car and then be ready when he hands you a piece of paper with several thousand dollars worth of recommended maintenance (unless the seller has been on top of the service intervals, in which case, go for it!).
Either way, let us know how it goes. Porsche ownership is definitely a special experience and something you won't forget.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
G60 Coupe sporting all of the concept's proportions and flare. Some masked pics below.
And will boast a TT V8 in addition to a TT V6. :O
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/s...ed-for-the-first-time-in-germany-101812.html#
And will boast a TT V8 in addition to a TT V6. :O
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/s...ed-for-the-first-time-in-germany-101812.html#
Thanks for the support!
Yeah I'll try to check it out.
Its a manual as well, and I've always wanted to learn and have a stick shift car. Still wary of potential maintenance even after all the initial fixes like a clutch and IMS and all since its from 1999.
RevengeOfDoh
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I thought Super Sports were supposed to have great wet and dry handling out of the box in normal day-to-day driving?
LucidMomentum
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Yeah, from my experience they aren't really "track" tires that require a lot of "warming up".
However, I went with All Sports instead of Super Sports due to the fact that I knew I'd be driving in rainy and / or muddy conditions from time to time.
Even then, I can get the tail out on my FR-S much easier when it rains, so someone who has little experience with a smaller can, let alone one with power could probably wreck it in the rain pretty easily.
However, I've never lost control in the rain just by accelerating, so unless the M4 had a hell of a lot of power going to the wheels and hydroplaned, I'd be surprised if just straight line acceleration caused the accident.
TL;DR: PSS tires are still road tires, despite advertising. Rain + new car = easy to mess up, but I wonder if OP's friend isn't telling him the whole story.
AlphaSnake
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The tires must've been too new. I had Super Sports on my 370Z which made nearly 380HP (crank) modded and weighed 3150lbs, so it had power to break them loose. And I was perfectly fine. Michelin says they needed to be fully broken in by being driven for at least 500 miles and avoiding poor conditions if possible. If the dude crashed his car within a week, he clearly didn't abide by the break-in procedure.
They are monumentally sticky tires in the rain. Even in the torrential summer downpours of Florida, the TC light barely even flickered. They don't need warming up, either.
SliChillax
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AS3's are the better ones for all weather use. Not to say PSS should be avoided but with a rwd car with lot's of torque they can be sketchy in the rain.
I was driving behind him when it happened so he's not lying. I've done my research in different forums and everyone who has thoroughly tested the PSS says the same thing and actually suggest the AS3 more. As I said before he was only used to driving a Range Rover, had no idea of what oversteer was and how to control it. Car lost control he hit the brake and the car spun into a tree instead of trying to control it. We're talking about 460hp and over 500nm of torque at low revs on 275 wide tyres on a really wet surface, I'm not surprised by what happened.
The car had 700km/434miles when it crashed.
RevengeOfDoh
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Oh man, you make me miss my BRZ. Stock Michelins were SOOO fun. Do you have a 13? Those were more twitchy than later models if I recall unless it was the 15's that they revised the rear suspension on.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
There you go.
Also, climate and driving behavior has a direct effect on break-in too. The car wasn't ready to be pegged, especially not with the tires still that fresh.
Also, you mention KM. Where do you live?
SliChillax
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Live in the UK but this happened back in Albania where I spend my holidays.
AlphaSnake
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Ahhh, so it's an EDM spec car. European Ms have a completely different traction management programming than US cars - they can get muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more sideways before the DSC kicks in. A lot of the US guys are re-coding their MDM settings to be the European because the US-spec settings are incredibly constrained and don't allow the car to break free. Also, throttle response is much better on Euro-spec cars than US-spec cars.
So that explains the situation.
I found my old TireRack receipt and it says 700 miles on it. Forums are saying up to 1000km.
My new Continental DW required 500 miles on my M56S.
Also here's a video of an M4 losing control in 2nd gear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miA5qj5ergM
SliChillax
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Yeah I've heard about European M's being more crazy to handle. That video is exaclty how it happened except it was raining hard and he hit a tree.
http://i.imgur.com/ZIc8oMO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KsoCPc2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Mk4RjVg.jpg
David Incorporated Esq.
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Isn't it that there are some oils or what have yous left on the outer surface of the rubber from manufacturing?
I mean the GT, not the GT S.
The GT i heard on a youtube video that its slightly cheaper, and actually comes out after the GT S.
LucidMomentum
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No sir, I have a '15 which has the less twitchy suspension and I have a front sway bar to make sure I don't get the tail out unless I really intend to.
I also have 18x8.5 wheels and Michelin Pilot A/S 3 tires instead of the stocks, so the car now handles less like a drift vehicle and more like a back road / auto-x vehicle.
Also I somehow missed reading the low mileage on the M4 that crashed. Yeah, if it had that few miles on it and wasn't broken in tires or engine wise, that could've happened. Kind of sucks though.
Oooooh, also EDM spec TSC would do it too. I always drive with my TSC set to the bare minimum you can get it on the FR-S without using the pedal dance, so I'm used to my car being squirrely. Someone not familiar with that could be in for some fun, in the not so good way.
That too. Usually why people say to take it easy the first 1K miles or so, also to get the engine used to running and all that.
I guess I've just never had enough horsepower to lose control in 2nd gear. One of the benefits of only 200 WHP
AlphaSnake
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Yes. A fresh tire is veeeeeeeery soft to the touch. Almost silky. Once the road starts to chew into it a little bit, the compound opens up becoming almost porous.
The easiest example would be to look at a brand new rubber eraser on a pencil. When it's fresh, it's super slippery and erases like crap and smudgy. But once you used it a few times, it becomes grippy against the paper.
Regarding the new BMW wreck in Albania, it sounds like this is more of a case of inexperience than anything. If you've never experienced a high horsepower RWD vehicle and the way that it can get away from you quickly then there's no reason to think that you would automatically know how to handle it.
I remember the first time I got on my 68 Mustang after dropping a heavily massaged 351 cubic V8 into it and the back end of the car came around and passed me (the car did a full 360) on a public 2 lane road. It was awesome and terrifying at the same time and the fact that I didn't hit anyone or crash the car is something of a miracle.
I learned a lesson that day, that's for sure.
I remember the first time I got on my 68 Mustang after dropping a heavily massaged 351 cubic V8 into it and the back end of the car came around and passed me (the car did a full 360) on a public 2 lane road. It was awesome and terrifying at the same time and the fact that I didn't hit anyone or crash the car is something of a miracle.
I learned a lesson that day, that's for sure.
SliChillax
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Well yeah, I agree. If you're going to buy a powerful rwd car and all you've driven is a Range Rover, do some practice first with a less powerful rwd car then jump into an M4. I don't know how many I would have wrecked my M235i if it was my first car. I'm grateful I had to gradually start from less powerful cars to the M235i. There's lot's of stuff you learn by driving the car, not by reading on the internet.
It's a case of inexperience mixed with brand new powerful car with brand new cold tyres with no grip and very wet asphalt.
AlphaSnake
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True. I have a near wipe-out story from 3 years ago...
I was driving my brother's E63 BMW M6 into the Midtown Tunnel entering Manhattan on a 34-degree rainy night. Car had a bad diff (notorious issue on these) and I forgot about it. When I gave it the beans just to hear the exhaust in the tunnel, the car just decided to break left and I was an inch away from grazing the dividers in the middle and losing the car. But my instinct was to gently let off the throttle and apply some counter steer. The car snapped right with a jolt and all that happened was I nudged the tire on the curb to the very right. I saved it without any damage. This is the lane I was in below, and how narrow it is in a wide boat like the M6.
My best friend in the car is a track guy, and a pretty solid drifter too and he's always telling me I should go to the tracks because of my instincts and reaction times. He was floored and how I kept the car so in check.
In truth, I damn near shit myself because he had just gotten the new M6 (3 years back now) and was trading in the old one for his wife's GL550. He had no use for both Ms, so he gave me the older one for 10 days until it was traded in.
Honestly, I miss the hell out of that car. It's lack of refinement is appealing to me today, moreso than ever. It was an exciting car.
The AMG GT S is out but I think he meant the "GT" which is supposed to be a lower price point model with less power.
mmazurkiewicz
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They are great tires in the rain for a high performance summer.
His friend was doing something stupid to crash the car. Plus if he was driving with DSC off in the rain and trying to do pulls then that obviously results in a crash.
Agreed. Honestly everyone should start with a Miata or S2000 with an instructor and go from there.
True. I have a near wipe-out story from 3 years ago...
I was driving my brother's E62 BMW M6 into the Midtown Tunnel entering Manhattan on a 34-degree rainy night. Car had a bad diff (notorious issue on these) and I forgot about it. When I gave it the beans just to hear the exhaust in the tunnel, the car just decided to break left and I was an inch away from grazing the dividers in the middle and losing the car. But my instinct was to gently let off the throttle and apply some counter steer. The car snapped right with a jolt and all that happened was I nudged the tire on the curb to the very right. I saved it without any damage. This is the lane I was in below, and how narrow it is in a wide boat like the M6.
My best friend in the car is a track guy, and a pretty solid drifter too and he's always telling me I should go to the tracks because of my instincts and reaction times. He was floored and how I kept the car so in check.
In truth, I damn near shit myself because he had just gotten the new M6 (3 years back now) and was trading in the old one for his wife's GL550. He had no use for both Ms, so he gave me the older one for 10 days until it was traded in.
Honestly, I miss the hell out of that car. It's lack of refinement is appealing to me today, moreso than ever. It was an exciting car.
Love those motors but man they have serious issues. It's a shame but keeping those things running is not fun... but when they do work, the sound is stunning. It's really a shame that the E60/E63 are tainted by BMW's dark ages. I mean how the fuck do you mess up the diff from the factory? BMW diffs are KNOWN to be tanks that can withstand massive abuse and torque.
Getting the first real, California snow since I got the evo 11 months ago and holy shit is driving in it a blast! I hit up a large empty parking lot and just did controlled slides for days. No matter how much I thought I'd lost control, gas would pull me out of it. Amazing.
Evo X AWD system kicks major ass.
How does Porsche's ED work?
My understanding is that you can opt for delivery in either Leipzig or Weissach. Is one preferable over the other?
Also, my understanding is that Porsche does not do discounted pricing for ED cars, unlike BMW.
You can choose to pick up the car in Zuffenhausen or Leipzig.
No discount at all. In fact, I have to pay for the car upfront including registration and taxes before I go, IN ADDITION to a $19,000 German VAT that will be held in escrow until the car comes back to the US.
Not sure if I want to do it anymore because not only will it delay the delivery of the car here, but I will be out $150K+ for the car and trip.
David Incorporated Esq.
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A quick look at the Porsche 991.2 from Evo. It sounds...good! Credit to Porsche for getting the exhaust note right, and maybe now they can send some of their guys over to BMW for a while to help out with the M3/4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=354&v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=354&v=Ft6MbJsH83Q
AlphaSnake
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They literally filled the diffs with the WRONG fluid from the factory. It was replaced under a TSB (it started to groan under turns). The reason why it started to fail again was because the clutch packs engaged way too late and slipped - the car had about 55K miles on it by the time it was traded in.
Edit: Damn, actually 64K miles.
mmazurkiewicz
Member
why don't porsches front engined cars sound that good?
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
Boxer vs V. Boxer always wins--though I have to give an honorable mention the F-Type V6, that is one sexy motor.
Get a SCAT Pack ShakerTook the fiance' out with me for a Challenger test drive yesterday. First time she's come with me. She's a good sport, but she just doesn't "understand" why I want this car - to her, it makes no sense to buy a vehicle for more than ~$15K, as it's nothing more than to get from A to B. Her parents, while they do well for themselves, have always driven the typical Corolla-esque four door. Heck, her dad right now drives something nearing 200,000 miles. Meanwhile, I learned to drive in my dad's (at the time) brand new, manual, Corvette in 2002 when I was 13. So, different backgrounds and all that.
They had a black RT Plus - the standard V8, and I asked the salesman if I could take it out and try to convince my wifey-to-be that it's fun for a reason. No issues; tossed us the keys and I told him we'd be back in 30 minutes. The dealer says "feel free to get on it," and I obliged. After ten minutes of driving it around and lighting up the tires a couple times, she wanted to drive. Lol. Instantly, she spent the last 20 minutes flooring it over and over and over again, lol. She loved it.
She absolutely "got it." So now sometime soon she's agreed to test out the Scat Pack with me
... Funny enough, she talked about it for about 20 minutes afterwards. All I could do was smirk, because, honestly, the standard RT really isn't all that quick if we're being blunt.
EDIT: Also, we both agreed the upgraded Alpine sound system is kind of shit. I'd pay to upgrade to the package that includes a sub.
Around the 3 minute mark, he mentions that this Carrera S is as fast around the Nurburgring as the 997 GT2.
HOW!?
WOW that is a bad deal.
FFS, with BMW you save thousands of dollars with ED and you get a lot of little perks. I think Volvo's ED program literally pays for your flight and hotel.
Yeah, Porsche really is the worst company to do factory pickup with. They even charge the dealer $3,000 which is why most of them don't even like doing it because it cuts into their profit margin. Only reason they're doing it for me is because I'm a repeat customer buying a GT car with a ton of options at MSRP.