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Black Panther - Official Trailer
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Hitler's men found a space cube and invented laser weapons in the 1940's.
Right, we even see the ship fly through the cloaking field that conceals Wakanda in the trailer.
It's almost like they put this shit in the trailer because they knew people would be asking these dumb ass questions and it still didn't matter.
LOL
Norse gods traveling through space on a rainbow bridge.
Pai Pai Master
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An ex-con and former Baskin Robbins employee discovers a way to travel in and out of a secret micro-universe that exists within the space between molecules.
Ouch.
Ninja Scooter
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I have really high hopes for this movie but that trailer was very paint by numbers. I hope the movie doesn't end up being so formulaic.
formasymphonic
Member
I look forward to the next 3-4 months and people's feeble attempts to surpass this as the OT's title.
Whew
Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde falling in love with an international secret spy, breaking up, and then flying off into space to participate in an intergalactic gladiator match.
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Too bad we won't get MCU Latveria.
It's so confusing to see Red Skull bleed. He's literally skin and bones XD
It's so confusing to see Red Skull bleed. He's literally skin and bones XD
Ninja Scooter
Member
That's what I'm afraid of
redfox088
Banned
Three different spidermen and 3 different hulks in the last 15 years.
Ant and wasp was running around during the cold war when Hydra was making Supersoldiers
Agent Carter was right after the 40s and was fighting science fiction weapons
Arnim Zola somehow made an ai copy of himself before laptops was invented with old timey computers
There's been a diverse secret society of kung fu wizards for thousands of years hidden
Norse gods exists in another dimension
There's nothing really out there about a secret nation with advanced technology, it's even a pulp cliche
DeathbyCheerios
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Especially because they have like..the entire earths supply of Vibranium, a shit ton of it too.
A lot can be done with it.
Oh Also:
Tony Stark built an arc reactor out of spare parts in a fucking cave, so small it fit in his chest. Yet other genius scientists couldn't get close.
It's not all racism, believe it or not.
If people refuse to accept an explanation for Wakanda then by all means insinuate they're a racist, if that's what you want to do. But "How does Wakanda exist?" is "Where did Spider-Man get his powers from?" levels of inquiry, and jumping straight to 'Oh, so you don't think black people are stupid' is just grating.
I can understand not wanting to answer the question but it doesn't hurt to allow people to discuss lore without suggesting they're racists.
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Lupita is so gorgeous ;__;
redfox088
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Wakanda being so advanced and hidden from the world is a jumping of the shark moment in the MCU timeline when the trailer shows a camouflage system is at play is inherently prejudiced when the same people didnt care about the science of Thor, GOTG, and Captain America. I hope you are African American to have such a stance bro. This is ignorance via privilege at its finest. Its not racists because it doesnt seem racist to me when the you do not identify or empathize withthe race in question is the definition of privilege.
Everyone in this movie is, with like 2-3 exceptions (poor Forest Whitaker). I wouldn't call it CW-levels implausible, but it's a little distracting.
Psyched to see Wakanda fully realized on-screen. I wonder how much of the actual country we'll see. I imagine most it will take place in and around the Golden City.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Jesus. That should be the official title.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Wait isn't this turn of phrase racist as fuck?
MugiwaraCole
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The lore has been repeated ad nauseam.
Nobody who likes comic book movies asks "how did Peter Parker get his powers?" and then responds to the answer with "that's not remotely plausible, I'm out". That's what we're seeing happen with this movie. And the answers for how Wakanda exists are so cliched that to insinuate that people are incapable of coming up with the how and why themselves is embarrassing.
Yes, the reason is racism. Full stop.
Breh.
MugiwaraCole
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Amazing
formasymphonic
Member
This was already addressed a couple times on previous pages:-
I don't think that's an unfair, or racist, question to ask. Nothing about Africa, nothing about black people. There's no basis in reading that post and deciding a person wouldn't feel the same way if Wakanda was a country in Europe.
This isn't a magical or alien world being presented. Believing the most technologically advanced country on Earth would simply be too difficult secret to keep isn't unreasonable. And it's something that could seem more reasonable given a proper context - "It's possible that SHIELD suppresses information about Wakanda and its whereabouts".
Not originally.
"the expression "to call a spade a spade." For almost half a millennium, the phrase has served as a demand to "tell it like it is." It is only in the past century that the phrase began to acquire a negative, racial overtone.
Historians trace the origins of the expression to the Greek phrase "to call a fig a fig and a trough a trough." Exactly who was the first author of "to call a trough a trough" is lost to history. Some attribute it to Aristophanes, while others attribute it to the playwright Menander. The Greek historian Plutarch (who died in A.D. 120) used it in Moralia. The blogger Matt Colvin, who has a Ph.D. in Greek literature, recently pointed out that the original Greek expression was very likely vulgar in nature and that the "figs" and "troughs" in question were double entendres."
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade
MugiwaraCole
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This is why I said earlier the people asking these questions are either racists or idiots. Neither of which is a good look.
"How can an entire country this advanced technologically exist without others knowing?"
The answer is in the fucking question. It's right fucking there. Anybody can easily make the jump to "some kind of tech the let's them cloak themselves". But they're completely incapable here.
Not to mention insinuating that Wakanda needs the help of SHIELD to suppress themselves doesn't make sense when Wakanda is more advanced than SHIELD is. This is so easy.
You won't get these kinds of questions about Atlantis when Justice League drops.
ElBoxyBrown
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Ain't that the truth.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Dawg. This is beyond ridiculous.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
Isn't Themyschira also hidden from view? I haven't watched the WW movie yet.
I only mention SHIELD because it's an established intelligence agency in the MCU - it allows you to argue "Well, you didn't think the existence of SHIELD was too big a disconnect from reality - why wouldn't they have the ability to hide the existence of a country?".
How do they breathe, where are their toilets D:
I think that's another worthwhile bit of information to relay to someone who doubts Wakanda could be kept a secret. People aren't looking for Wakanda because they already think they know what Wakanda is. It doesn't just hide, it actively portrays a false face to the world.
redfox088
Banned
Its not the question. The answer is in the trailer its the inability to suspend disbelief enough to enjoy the movie is the problem.
Bobo Dakes
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Did the first 30 seconds of the teaser trailer not already do that?
MugiwaraCole
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Doesn't matter. Wakanda is introduced to people as the most technologically advanced country on the planet. That's the premise people are given.
Ergo, why the fuck would you think Wakanda needs SHIELD to help them hide?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The first teaser has Klaw establish that there's a "Wakanda" in name, and the real Wakanda behind the scenes.
In the second Iron Man movie they show Shield is watching wakanda or have them marked as an interest. Howard Stark definitely knew of them in some way since he bulit caps Shield. The guy in Avengers 2 definitely know about it since he was stealing from them. Cap and Iron Man give each other a look as if they definitely know what it is. I can't remember if it was in civil war or age of Ultron. People know of there existence the question is how much do they know.
I wasn't following this conversation really.
500 girls went missing in real world africa and the collective world went "Shrug".
In this case the collective racism of the world helps cause people ain't checking on africa like that.
Which comes up in Black Panther( people should read the books all this shit is answered 30330 times over)
Wakanda has a extensive spy ring in the US government. Know what the wakanda spys standard equipment is?
No one checks the black janitor
In this case the collective racism of the world helps cause people ain't checking on africa like that.
Which comes up in Black Panther( people should read the books all this shit is answered 30330 times over)
Wakanda has a extensive spy ring in the US government. Know what the wakanda spys standard equipment is?
No one checks the black janitor
MugiwaraCole
Member
We know that already. This is touched on in Civil War and the first trailer for Black Panther. Overtly, at that, not via Easter eggs or background information.