Huh? What janitor are you talking about,there's no janitor in that picture, there's never been a janitor! That mop worked itself.500 girls went missing in real world africa and the collective world went "Shrug".
In this case the collective racism of the world helps cause people ain't checking on africa like that.
Which comes up in Black Panther( people should read the books all this shit is answered 30330 times over)
Wakanda has a extensive spy ring in the US government. Know what the wakanda spys standard equipment is?
No one checks the black janitor
Doesn't matter. Wakanda is introduced to people as the most technologically advanced country on the planet. That's the premise people are given.
Ergo, why the fuck would you think Wakanda needs SHIELD to help them hide?
How is a lot of the thread explaining what's already explained in both of the trailers in a comic book movie
The secret advanced nation is not even a comic cliche it's a fiction cliche
Isn't Themyschira also hidden from view? I haven't watched the WW movie yet.
How is a lot of the thread explaining what's already explained in both of the trailers in a comic book movie
The secret advanced nation is not even a comic cliche it's a fiction cliche
Because being the world's most technologically advanced country doesn't implicitly mean you have the world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm talking spies for instance.
SHIELD is presented as that world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm just using established MCU information to present a possibility (not a necessity, ergo "It's possible that...") that could justify Wakanda being capable to keeping their secrets. The point being "If you can buy into SHIELD, you can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden".
I liked this thread better when people were still complaining about the villain-mirror's-the-hero concept.
I liked this thread better when people were still complaining about the villain-mirror's-the-hero concept.
You don't need to use established MCU info to present a possibility. There's a possibility gift wrapped to you in the premise itself.
You can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden without ever having to consider SHIELD.
Ugh.
We seriously just had a superhero movie where the hero hails from a hidden nation. And that one was a nation of nothing but super powered women. I dont remember much of cry about that outside of alt-right circles.
I think its fair to say that people are willing to suspend their disbelief for almost anything. But a nation of super advanced blacks is a bridge too far.
I like to see this thread if it was an Eternals movie
The island women of women we're still stuck in the dark ages tech wise.
I wonder what the reception would have been if the amazons we're technologically advanced like in some continuities.
The island women of women we're still stuck in the dark ages tech wise.
I wonder what the reception would have been if the amazons we're technologically advanced like in some continuities.
Shit...Black Panther OT: Marvel Triangle Trades away whats believable
I like to see this thread if it was an Eternals movie
"How are there gods amongst humans? How is there a cosmic giant buried underneath San Francisco? How is there a secret city in the Arctic?"
I mean, surely these questions would be asked. Right?
Because being the world's most technologically advanced country doesn't implicitly mean you have the world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm talking spies for instance.
SHIELD is presented as that world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm just using established MCU information to present a possibility (not a necessity, ergo "It's possible that...") that could justify Wakanda being capable to keeping their secrets. The point being "If you can buy into SHIELD, you can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden".
The hell did I just read and why did I like it.
I am talking about Belarus and the Ukraine
There's being curious about the in-universe explanation for Wakanda and then there's people saying "it's too over-the-top, they're just making things up" because their racist biases cant allow their brain to comprehend something as basic as having a technological utopia hidden in the heart of Africa.
Eternals technically dates way back to Jack Kirby, but they were basically a forgotten property. I highly recommend this short run, though. Very good stuff. John Romita Jr. pays some serious Kirby homage in this with the art.
Who said it was too over the top? It was pretty much just curisosity from everyone asking, it's people like you that overblow that questioning because you automatically jump to the conclusion of the person trying to be racist.
Jesus, theyve just made up everything, its far too OTT for me, i mean a part of he world is like an alien planet, technology that makes no sense (beyond suspension of disbelief). Also that guy with all those disgusting bumps over his body, making my hair stand up, if i keep looking at him im going to have a physical reaction, seriously i breakout in a rash when i wince like this.
It looks like a train-wreck to me, just awful.
The problem is that Wakanda is a fictional place set to be placed within our real world, that hasn't built itself on magic or alien influence. Therefore it's weird for a place in Afirca, which throughout time, compared to many other countries in the world, is far less technologically advanced up until recent years/century. That's not racism at all, it's believability in a fictional space.
The PROBLEM is people like the above who simply can't allow for some suspension of disbelief that a technological utopia can develop over the course of centuries while hidden from the rest of the world because smart, wealthy and powerful Africans is just a bridge too far even though it takes place in a universe that has established secret magic societies living across the world and outer space raccoons who wield machine guns and befriend talking trees.
I personally read that top quote as they were trying to make an intentional joke post? No idea.
Questioning Wakanda won't stop me from enjoying the film. Like I said, I'm openly stating I know nothing of it, which is why I was asking about it. The fact that the film looks genuinely good, and interesting because we've not gotten an Afrofutrist film before, let alone a Black Marvel adaptation yet.
However, I can still question it. It doesn't mean people can be assholes because they project their paranoia of people questioning it as equating to being racist...
Post from that same poster in the BP teaser thread:The PROBLEM is people like the above who simply can't allow for some suspension of disbelief that a technological utopia can develop over the course of centuries while hidden from the rest of the world because smart, wealthy and powerful Africans is just a bridge too far even though it takes place in a universe that has established secret magic societies living across the world and outer space raccoons who wield machine guns and befriend talking trees.
Some B-Tier CGI. Costumes/wardrobe looked bad and the whole sci-fi aspect doesnt work here.
Didnt like it.
I don't understand HOW they got their technology. The only vague asnwer that some people have given is Vibranium...
Post from that same poster in the BP teaser thread:
This has been answered over and over and over again.
Let me ask you this, HOW did Howard Stark get his technology?
HOW did Hank Pym, the man that created a suit that talks to insects and shrinks people to the size of sub atomic particles, get his technology?
Answer this in good faith.
Because being the world's most technologically advanced country doesn't implicitly mean you have the world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm talking spies for instance.
SHIELD is presented as that world's greatest intelligence agency. I'm just using established MCU information to present a possibility (not a necessity, ergo "It's possible that...") that could justify Wakanda being capable to keeping their secrets. The point being "If you can buy into SHIELD, you can buy into Wakanda remaining hidden".
Wakanda being hidden from the world doesn't mean that the rest of the world is hidden to them. They trade with other nations and they send their scientists to learn from the best and brightest institutions from around the world. They developed the way they did because they valued scientific advancements over warfare and imperialism, and were allowed to progress unhindered over centuries without falling to outside invaders.
T'Challa himself has a Ph. D. in Physics from Oxford.
Hank Pym is in a country with substantial technological development, so it's not far fetched for me to assume he can create a science because he has knowledge and base to be able to study and find it. I don't find it unbelievable a Wakandian wouldn't have the same intelligence to create the same thing with the same resources available to them, I'm just questioning how they got those resources.
I don't find that unbelievable compared to just the answer of Vibranium and Intelligence.
Perhaps people should just answer people's questions instead of attacking them due to their own insecurity...
Well, not just that they're smart. Some Wakandans actually do travel outside of their borders. The OG Wakanda story put their rapid technological advancement all on T'Challa. Effectively, he went to America, studied, and since he was so smart, brought a lot back to his people.
Even though current Wakanda has been a smart civilization for centuries, T'Challa is still said to have gotten outside education from the US & UK iirc. Wakandans have travelled to other countries, and you can't neglect the wars they fight at their own borders.
And considering how precious and advanced Vibranium is - that is the war that spurs technological advancement.
Here is the closest thing approaching an answer to my question, so I'll focus on that.
You say Hank Pym was able to create his particle suit (and his ability to communicate with ants) because he had access to knowledge and resources.
And fortunately for the Wakandans, that answer works just as well for them. They have access to the same universities, the same books, the same knowledge. And studying is exactly what the Wakandans invested their considerable wealth into once they began selling the valuable resource for a fortune.
At that point, all it took was a super genius or two among them (which you find lying all around in the MCU) to create the technology.
The vibranium didn't give them their intelligence. But being the sole owner of a huge deposit of it enabled them to amass a huge wealth which they smartly used to invest in science and build infrastructure. And looking at what colonization has done to other Africans with valuable resources, they invested in hiding their advancements. All it would take, as shown in the trailer, is an advanced cloaking field, which is far less of a stretch for technology that what Hank Pym or Howard Stark and Tony Stark created.
So they got their technology by investing $$$$$$$ and brilliant minds into technology. The same way the other technological advances in the MCU are made.
No, perhaps you should read what people have said in this thread. This was answered before. Don't blame others because you overlooked it.