cartoon_soldier
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But May said that UK was coming together. So that's good right?
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Britain to lose EU 'Crown Jewels' of Medicine and Banking within 'weeks'
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cormack12
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I guess for me it's the pace of this happening. Although when you factor into the equation that all these places will have to tender for the opportunity to host the business then it sort of makes sense.
I think someone posted an article in the other thread a while back about how as soon as we stopped fannying about and actually triggered article 50 the entire power dynamic changed. This just further underlines that the EU's priority is the EU. Whatever little time and resources are left then Britain is going to have to fight to get more than the minimum required.
This comes on the back of May's Easter message in which she 'senses' people coming together (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39607056). Although Tim Farron's response did make me chuckle
I don't think we're coming together at all. From my own personal experience, the partisan voices of both sides have died down. I wouldn't go as far as to say the leave voters I know are having regrets. But I think there is a dawning realisation that they have been taken advantage of. On the flip side, from the people who voted remain, well, they largely just seem to be waiting round to see what the options are, and how badly affected they will be.
Online is a different matter. People seem to revel in committing the most ridiculous stuff to type then needing to defend it with paper thin arguments or idealistic hypotheticals. I get some people have valid criticisms and concerns but the country voted for a government that was heavy on austerity. Then gave it full power. The one thing that kept money flowing to these places were EU funded projects and now that's been villified.
If anything comes of this, it will be the penchant for British people to continually commit great acts of self harm upon themselves (economically), and look for boogeymen to carry the blame while making the same or worse mistakes.
I think someone posted an article in the other thread a while back about how as soon as we stopped fannying about and actually triggered article 50 the entire power dynamic changed. This just further underlines that the EU's priority is the EU. Whatever little time and resources are left then Britain is going to have to fight to get more than the minimum required.
This comes on the back of May's Easter message in which she 'senses' people coming together (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39607056). Although Tim Farron's response did make me chuckle
I don't think we're coming together at all. From my own personal experience, the partisan voices of both sides have died down. I wouldn't go as far as to say the leave voters I know are having regrets. But I think there is a dawning realisation that they have been taken advantage of. On the flip side, from the people who voted remain, well, they largely just seem to be waiting round to see what the options are, and how badly affected they will be.
Online is a different matter. People seem to revel in committing the most ridiculous stuff to type then needing to defend it with paper thin arguments or idealistic hypotheticals. I get some people have valid criticisms and concerns but the country voted for a government that was heavy on austerity. Then gave it full power. The one thing that kept money flowing to these places were EU funded projects and now that's been villified.
If anything comes of this, it will be the penchant for British people to continually commit great acts of self harm upon themselves (economically), and look for boogeymen to carry the blame while making the same or worse mistakes.
cjp
Junior Member
Why would you think that when support for Brexit is at a five month high?
Orniletter
Banned
More like moving to Frankfurt and Paris.
cartoon_soldier
Member
They would move to somewhere within EU.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Shouldn't really be surprising that May is falling at the first negotiating hurdle. The UK has no leverage against the EU at all, the only one who comes out better for the UK leaving is the EU.
You're right, low skilled workers will be a lot better off now that their jobs are going away entirely. Maybe they can start filling in for the high skilled workers who will inevitably leave the country post-brexit?
And maybe Scotland after the next indieref
You're right, low skilled workers will be a lot better off now that their jobs are going away entirely. Maybe they can start filling in for the high skilled workers who will inevitably leave the country post-brexit?
KernelPanic
Member
May sounds like a wannabe Margaret Thatcher.
Acidote
Member
Frankfurt seems more like it. They need to be within the EU.
Visualante2
Member
Paris seems likely. Those with families and children at London schools can commute on Eurostar.
blazinglord
Member
Well personally I am not comfortable with prioritising particular immigrants from certain countries over others. All immigrants should be treated equally and have equal opportunity to migrate here in my opinion.
I really hope that whatever deal we leave with, we won't have a preferential system for EU citizens at the expense of immigrants from other countries such Australia, India, China etc.
Sometimes it requires a seismic change for people to sit up and listen. People voting to leave the EU forced Westminster to change. Indeed, one positive outcome of the result was a regime-change from a government of old Etonians to a grammar-school educated PM who at least comes across as more focused on 'just about managing' class.
If that's the case that they choose not to use their power, then at least they will now be held accountable rather than use the EU as scapegoat for their refusal to deliver promises. However, I do not subscribe to that school of thought that the EU was just akin to a kindly old uncle that liked to give out money with no strings attached out of the goodness of their own hearts, and gently advise the government of the day on what they ought to be doing.
But as requested, one [red meat] example would be ending child benefits for migrant workers for children that do not live in this country. I do not support this policy, the two main political parties (Conservatives and Labour) do not support this policy - and yet it continues, and just not justifable during a time of public spending cuts.
Well, it makes sense being as how we won't be in the EU in 2 years time
Unions are dead in this country, unfortunately. Especially in white collar jobs
Unions are dead in this country, unfortunately. Especially in white collar jobs
Even civil service unions are toothless. Only the bma has any sort of clout.
QuicheFontaine
Member
I think it is, honestly. Remainers seem to split into two camps:
i) didn't want this but I respect the outcome of the vote - let's get on with it (the PM falls into this camp!); and
ii) fuck the UK, I'm leaving.
The combination of the two definitely has the effect of the UK coming together.
ClosingADoor
Member
You know that those are in place everywhere and it is totally normal right? The rules for different countries are different because there are different agreements in place.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. You think the people in charge now are more fit for the job then the previous group? And that is a positive thing. So... you maybe have heard of these things called elections, it is giving you the power to shake things up every few years and pick your own group of people to rule the country.
So the excuse is: yes, the UK government had all that power, we all didn't give a fuck about it then, but now suddenly we are going to hold them accountable.
Child benefits are given, because those people work in the UK and pay taxes. So by this logic, let's say you work for 40 years in the UK, then leave for Spain, would you be OK with the government taking away your pension?
Reminder: The UK consists of more than just Britain. Two other countries, that wanted to remain, were dragged into this stupid decision because of the xenophobic leavers.
Saint Gregory
Member
As a person living in the USA that sounds incredibly familiar.
It's so crazy to me to watch all of Russia's hopes and dreams for Western destabilization playing out in slow motion yet everyone seems to be stuck in sleep paralysis as it happens.
ClosingADoor
Member
It's amazing. Divide and conquer. To the letter.
I'd have said the bigger picture and the long term outlook is probably a lot more bleak than the short term!!
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Guaranteed to be no trade deal if this is the case, obviously.
Abstrusity
Member
People told me I was crazy when I said there's no way the EU will capitulate to UK demands.
Turns out a Euro-hostile outlook, fancy cakes, Doctor Who reruns, and newly inferior Top Gear doesn't make good a good basis for trade, and killing your single market membership means that other industries will side with the EU, where they can make more money.
It's almost as if people had been saying it for years -- almost as if even Margeret Thatcher herself had the right idea way back when.
Turns out a Euro-hostile outlook, fancy cakes, Doctor Who reruns, and newly inferior Top Gear doesn't make good a good basis for trade, and killing your single market membership means that other industries will side with the EU, where they can make more money.
It's almost as if people had been saying it for years -- almost as if even Margeret Thatcher herself had the right idea way back when.
What do european institutions in a third country have to do with a trade deal?
ClosingADoor
Member
European agencies being moved to countries that are actually in the EU is a reason to not sign a trade deal? How does this logic go?
Link
The Autumn Wind
Rich people have done an amazing job of consolidating wealth and power while getting people to blame the poor and immigrants for their problems and vote against their own self-interests.
Where's that Oreos gif?
England is a nation of chavs and old people, who have no sense of self awareness. There is already a narrative that things will get better worse before they get better, so most old people will die knowing they made Britain great again.
The younger Leave voters won't give a shit until they've either lost their jobs or benefits.
The younger Leave voters won't give a shit until they've either lost their jobs or benefits.
Ragnar Blackmane
Member
Oops.
Serious question, are you surprised by this development? Do you think that is some kind of punitive meassure?
Garrett Hawke
Member
Brexiteers stay losing, whew
It is in the rest of the article. It does mention that they're looking for a transitional agreement.
This is speculative, but if the UK carries on the way it has been so far, it isn't going to be much of anything.
Saint Gregory
Member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
To the Cyrillic letter actually. It's like Russia got early access to Persona 5 and sent their calling card to the West 20 years ago.
I've really been hoping for months that the Wiki page is an elaborate hoax/misrepresentation since I can't find a copy to read in English but I haven't been able to find any information disputing it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
you used the term "remoaners" in the post he's replying to so you don't get to tone police people hurting your feelings
DarthMasta
Member
It's a bit sooner than expected, but not exactly unexpected, is it?
ClosingADoor
Member
Too bad it doesn't have an English translation. Would be interested in reading it.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Basically the reason this is relevant is because much of the uncertainty about the overall impact of Brexit on the UK and the EU is based on the kind of negotiated exit that the two parties manage to come to over the next two years. The Brexiters currently running the UK government want to project the idea that they have negotiating leverage and that through the art of the deal, they will secure concessions from the EU. The EU want to project the idea that Brexit will be bad for England and that they will not blink during negotiations or yield an inch to Britain. Now, the truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle, but in the meantime we are all very interested in reading the tea leaves and signals to see who seems to be better at playing the game of chicken.
So the new information here is that in round 1, Britain asked for a concession from the EU, and the EU responded "no, and by the way, we're going to start inflicting pain now."
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Saw this coming from miles away. Get #brekt, leavers. Shame your idiocy is going to hurt those reasonable, honest people who voted to remain.
Saint Gregory
Member
I found a couple of translations on Amazon but the consensus in the reviews is that they're pretty unreadable. Hopefully a big western publisher picks it up for a proper translation soon.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
The economy is screwed either way and you cannot convince 27 member states to offer a FTA in 2 years. Extension? Not likely either.
No, and yes given how euro clearing is done in New York and Tokyo. Was expected though.
Asked for a concession supplemented by (toothless) threats.
I mean, they are EU institutions, why should they be outside the EU? Should the EU institutions be moved to Canada, Brazil or India? The EMA works on the laws concerning medicines and the regulation of medicines within the EU and the EBA is a regulatory agency for the EU banks. Why do you think that the UK should host those agencies when leaving the EU? The UK intends to be under the regulatory control of those agencies after leaving the union?
Depending on where you're going, you might be indeed remaining.
Royal_Phalanx
Member
It's interesting how leavers keep asking remainers to stop being dicks to them and call us remoaners in the same sentence. Good luck with the automation leavers, you'll need it. I wonder how fast I can get a web developer job and GTFO out of this country before the doors close. Plenty of opportunities in Europe if I seize them with both hands.
Also, good luck with 10+ years of Tory government! Guarantee you that leaving will cause more problems than it will solve.
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