To me, a camper is someone sits in a spot, waits and gets a advantage easy kill. Doesn't matter if they sit in the same spot all game or move to another place after getting a kill(s). I do the later all day. So, yes, I am a camper. Given Ghost has 4-5 ways to get you kill, camping, more with sound hoarding, is the only smart way to play. Thank goodness, they are many dumb players that just run around all day and go <1 K/D ratio. Would suck in lobby with all campers.
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Call of Duty: Ghosts online multiplayer discussion thread
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Victory Red
Member
Agreed. But thats how I play. When I know I'm playing a lobby full of clan members or guys I know are good, I play very very slowly and careful.
Yeah I got called a camper multiple times last night. One match I was sitting behind the hotdog stand on strikezone the whole game and got 55 kills behind it. Not my fault no one could kill me off of that spot!
ihearthawthats
Banned
I'd have to agree with this. Nothing wrong with "camping" key spots on objective maps if it gets the win. Tdm is a bit trickier. If your spot is good and allows you to get 10+ kills, fine. But if you go like 4-0, that's bad. You might be positive but you're potentially forcing 5v6 engagements on your teamates.
I have noticed a tremendous help in hearing footsteps since the patch, even without Amp/DS. Framerates don't seem to be as much of an issue for me except on tremor. As far as this camper thing is concerned I don't like it when people camp, however it is something that isn't going away so not something to really rage about. It works for some people. I personally find it very boring and whenever I get teams with campers I go out of my way to kill them, especially on Warhawk in the top of the bakery (gotta love when people don't expect coming from the alternate entry).
I love that spot, especially in Domination. If you just cap A and C, the enemy players always run out in front of it when spawning at B. If someone runs in the B area and they start spawning outside of A, its very easy to kill them as they run up either staircase. I set up an IMS behind me in case someone tries to sneak up on me.
Syph Medwes
Member
Agreed on the key spots. If you're a sniper camping the tower in Prison Break, by all means go for it. What irks me is the people who camp an obscure far corner of the map waiting for someone to spawn near and walk by an otherwise rarely-traversed area. You could argue that's exactly what they were counting on, that my guard would be down, but I would argue my guard is only down because it isn't economical to be in that area. In other words, yes, they got the drop on me, but they'll finish with barely any kills.
edit: why the heck isn't my avatar showing up as transparent that's weird...
The flipside is the really annoying random corner campers is they rarely have much of an impact on you or the match.
They might kill you once or twice by surprise ruining a streak, but there are lots of other things that can kill you 'randomly' that are more likely (satcoms, oracles, voice callouts, explosives, dogs returning to their masters, squadmates, various assault streaks, etc).
The concept of playing as someone who never camps is hilarious to me, CoD is a game of hide and go seek and tag with fancy graphics.
Plus, people who get upset you aren't run and gunning with an lmg, marksman, or sniper are dumb. One of the key benefits of using a long range gun is staying out of the effective range of shotguns, smgs, and shorter range ars.
They might kill you once or twice by surprise ruining a streak, but there are lots of other things that can kill you 'randomly' that are more likely (satcoms, oracles, voice callouts, explosives, dogs returning to their masters, squadmates, various assault streaks, etc).
The concept of playing as someone who never camps is hilarious to me, CoD is a game of hide and go seek and tag with fancy graphics.
Plus, people who get upset you aren't run and gunning with an lmg, marksman, or sniper are dumb. One of the key benefits of using a long range gun is staying out of the effective range of shotguns, smgs, and shorter range ars.
Maybe someone can help me with picking a set up or just giving me some tips. I never was really into COD to much. I started playing MW3 more than any other COD before it. A few of my buddies got me into it. I was decent at MW3. Then I got into BLOPS. I run around a 2.0 K/D in it. I played with a SMG and was real aggressive. Now to Ghosts. I haven't played a ton but from what I have, I have been struggling. I am not sure the reason. Maybe I just have to switch my style from BLOPS. I have been trying to sprint around less and I am using different AR's. I am currently running about a 1.2 k/d. So any pointers or tips that maybe able to help me out?
The Real Napsta
Member
Use ARs and try to stay away from the action and pick people off.
AK12 with silence and vmr
Dead silence
Amplify
Focus
Deadeye
Assault
Dog
turrent
hind
That class is pretty fun.
BMX Bandit
Member
You're a camper. What you described is camping. It has been called this forever. People would camp the rocket launcher/quad damage/red armor because they were high traffic areas as you yourself claim to be doing. I'm not saying its wrong to do/cheap/whatever. Just don't try and change the definition of the word because you don't like that it suddenly applies to you.
I made a post covering some basic stuff recently here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=99046664&highlight=#post99046664
For what its worth, you're making the hardest transition possible - Ghosts is incredibly unfriendly for rushing with an smg/shotgun as a new player.
Note that it is still very much possible, a friend and I both run shotguns and smgs regularly on several maps now, and do well with them, but we were getting destroyed in the first month or so when we tried them.
These maps are significantly more open and have much less obvious flow than the BO2 maps. Its there, and they do have it, but it'll take you a bit to learn where people like to move and camp.
Try to fall back to a midrange zoning style of play with an AR instead of an aggressive pushing style - the spawns will fuck you until you realize how they operate (in Dom they're anchored by a) flags b) teammates and c) enemy line of sight NOT enemy proximity - in other modes they're similar, just no flags).
I'd also recommend sticking to Dom or Blitz until you learn the maps, TDM will make you hate both the spawns and the campers until you know the maps better.
For streaks, if you use Assault, Hardline with 5/7/9+ is the easiest, use IMS and Sentry. Dog is mostly useful for revenge buzzkills, it's bad at actually propelling your streak. Use Trinity instead of Sentry if you're only aiming for a heli at 9, Sentry is better for the 9+ streaks like Helo Pilot, it can do a lot of damage if placed well.
Support is extremely powerful in this. Vests, MAAWS, Squadmate, Ground Jammer and Oracle are all really strong.
Specialist is... specialist. Fun if you're kem hunting or want to experiment with builds using multiple expensive perks.
But yeah, brass tacks, take an AR with a silencer and second attachment of your choice, Stalker, Focus, Dead Silence, Amplify, Blast Shield or Sitrep. If you have trouble controlling your sprinting, swap out Amplify or BS/Sitrep for Ready Up and Takedown.
For the spawns, watch this excellent series of videos, they carefully explain exactly how the spawns operate on every map in Dom, they'll accelerate your learning tremendously:
Intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOEmtU9tgk4
Whiteout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQ64MuWG_c
He has one for all the mp maps, but just learning the basics and having a rough idea of the spawn locations is plenty to get started.
Victory Red
Member
I have no problem with people calling me that, cause for run and gunners thats what it is .... to them.
But to me, I move more than other people, and I call those people campers.
My friend will lay on his belly in the corner and go 4 and 2. He, to me, is a camper.
I mostly play DOM and strategically place myself near a flag and work from that spot. So yeah, I'm camping but I'm also capping and defending.
Thank you (for this and the other post)!
I posted a few pages back - I'm a few weeks into playing Ghosts (which is also my first COD) and it is very helpful.
Is there a list of GAFfers who play this online on the PS4? Or do I need to join the clan (my K/D is about 0.7 to 0.8 at the mo so I'm probably not quite good enough yet).
Rogue_element
Banned
this
Go ahead and join. There are several ppl with worse kds.
Also, I'm on the ps4 usually after 8pm est. hit me up. Deadlastvita
Don't think I covered it, the DLC AR, the Maverick.
It has a fire rate between the Remington and the AK, so second slowest in the AK class, and very slow overall..
The iron sights are spectacular.
It has much worse recoil than either. You need a grip or its borderline unmanageable at medium long range.
The tradeoff is being one of only three automatic weapons in the game capable of two shot kills. What this means in practice is that you will occasionally kill people up close using SMGs, faster firing ARs, or marksman rifles/pistols who would have killed you if you were using the R5 or AK12.
Out to a short distance, the Maverick will kill in two shots if you hit center mass. It only works from upper legs to head, not arms or lower legs.
Because of this quirk, I favor running a muzzle brake rather than a silencer to extend the 2sk distance (if you really wanted to push it, you could run Deadeye as well, though I wouldn't recommend this for general use), as well as its 3sk distance.
It also has a favorable long range damage profile, as it drops to a 5sk at extreme range (about the same as the R5), but it retains a 3sk to a good distance (about as far as the AK12).
It's a solid AR, similar in function to the AK and R5, with the occasional benefit of winning close range gunfights those guns might not have. Because it is unreliable however, I'm not a huge fan of it, as one of the major draws of the AK/R5 are stable recoil patterns, and I'd rather use an AR more suited for cqc fights if I care about winning fights at short range.
Paired with Deadeye, the 2sks are even more consistent, but then you're paying a hefty perk tax for that benefit. Worth experimenting with Specialist if you're capable of going on regular streaks, but even with 2sks, it still has the problem of low fire rate, which means fast moving enemies at a short distance can occasionally move between your shots and kill you - quite frustrating when it happens.
Oh, and it sounds cool
It has a fire rate between the Remington and the AK, so second slowest in the AK class, and very slow overall..
The iron sights are spectacular.
It has much worse recoil than either. You need a grip or its borderline unmanageable at medium long range.
The tradeoff is being one of only three automatic weapons in the game capable of two shot kills. What this means in practice is that you will occasionally kill people up close using SMGs, faster firing ARs, or marksman rifles/pistols who would have killed you if you were using the R5 or AK12.
Out to a short distance, the Maverick will kill in two shots if you hit center mass. It only works from upper legs to head, not arms or lower legs.
Because of this quirk, I favor running a muzzle brake rather than a silencer to extend the 2sk distance (if you really wanted to push it, you could run Deadeye as well, though I wouldn't recommend this for general use), as well as its 3sk distance.
It also has a favorable long range damage profile, as it drops to a 5sk at extreme range (about the same as the R5), but it retains a 3sk to a good distance (about as far as the AK12).
It's a solid AR, similar in function to the AK and R5, with the occasional benefit of winning close range gunfights those guns might not have. Because it is unreliable however, I'm not a huge fan of it, as one of the major draws of the AK/R5 are stable recoil patterns, and I'd rather use an AR more suited for cqc fights if I care about winning fights at short range.
Paired with Deadeye, the 2sks are even more consistent, but then you're paying a hefty perk tax for that benefit. Worth experimenting with Specialist if you're capable of going on regular streaks, but even with 2sks, it still has the problem of low fire rate, which means fast moving enemies at a short distance can occasionally move between your shots and kill you - quite frustrating when it happens.
Oh, and it sounds cool
Victory Red
Member
Don't think I covered it, the DLC AR, the Maverick.
It has a fire rate between the Remington and the AK, so second slowest in the AK class, and very slow overall..
The iron sights are spectacular.
It has much worse recoil than either. You need a grip or its borderline unmanageable at medium long range.
The tradeoff is being one of only three automatic weapons in the game capable of two shot kills. What this means in practice is that you will occasionally kill people up close using SMGs, faster firing ARs, or marksman rifles/pistols who would have killed you if you were using the R5 or AK12.
Out to a short distance, the Maverick will kill in two shots if you hit center mass. It only works from upper legs to head, not arms or lower legs.
Because of this quirk, I favor running a muzzle brake rather than a silencer to extend the 2sk distance (if you really wanted to push it, you could run Deadeye as well, though I wouldn't recommend this for general use), as well as its 3sk distance.
It also has a favorable long range damage profile, as it drops to a 5sk at extreme range (about the same as the R5), but it retains a 3sk to a good distance (about as far as the AK12).
It's a solid AR, similar in function to the AK and R5, with the occasional benefit of winning close range gunfights those guns might not have. Because it is unreliable however, I'm not a huge fan of it, as one of the major draws of the AK/R5 are stable recoil patterns, and I'd rather use an AR more suited for cqc fights if I care about winning fights at short range.
Paired with Deadeye, the 2sks are even more consistent, but then you're paying a hefty perk tax for that benefit. Worth experimenting with Specialist if you're capable of going on regular streaks, but even with 2sks, it still has the problem of low fire rate, which means fast moving enemies at a short distance can occasionally move between your shots and kill you - quite frustrating when it happens.
Oh, and it sounds cool
Well said. I like the Maverick. I prefer the R5 and then the AK12 over it. But its a close 3rd for the Maverick.
dem iron sights
Thanks. Have requested joiningness. UK here and I'm usually on the PS4 most of the time at the moment
I have a question for those of you with the PS4 version that also have a Vita or just know the answer in general.
To start, On the Wii U, instead of doing split-screen online with 2 people, it is possible for one person to be on the TV alone and the other on the Wii U Gamepad by themselves, allowing both to play together online while not sharing a screen.
My question is, does the PS4 have any kind setting like this with the Vita screen? Where my roommate could use the TV by himself and me play on the Vita screen in a similar fashion.
To start, On the Wii U, instead of doing split-screen online with 2 people, it is possible for one person to be on the TV alone and the other on the Wii U Gamepad by themselves, allowing both to play together online while not sharing a screen.
My question is, does the PS4 have any kind setting like this with the Vita screen? Where my roommate could use the TV by himself and me play on the Vita screen in a similar fashion.
You can still run and gun but you should have a back up plan to fall back to if it isn't working out.
Ranked from highest to lowest mobility:
MTAR w/ grip + silencer
dead silence, focus, ready up, agility, marathon, scav (might be too many.. not sure)
Either run assault scorestreaks or specialist (move scav to specialist and then hardline for #2, then do OTG and whatever else you want .. skip #3 perk spot)
R5 / AK-12 w/ silencer + grip or R5 + AP rounds + silencer/grip
focus, scav, whatever you want. If you can deal with 100% strafe speed when ADS then use stalker. I personally hate it and liked BO2 80% more
M27/LSAT w/ grip + tracker sight
quickdraw, stalker, ready up, agility, focus
If all you care about right now is K/D then play TDM. The spawns are a lot better now and it is easier to half map although there are some "trouble" areas where spawns are still really fucked up so you'll just have to avoid those areas of the map unless you like getting spawned behind.
Well said. I make it my mission to hunt them down. Ive been playing this game since it first launched on PC and its nothing now to get shot up by a camper. Just know I will absolutely return the favor.
BruiserBear
Banned
They must have figured out a new way to do it because that glitch was supposedly fixed.
Yeah, the footstep system in this game is terrible. Its very inconsistent. Sometimes I figure out where somebody is coming from, sometimes I can't. Footstep sounds do not sound different based whether someone is above or below you, either. This leads to situations for me where I think I'm surrounded by enemies.
There's also an issue where footsteps cannot be heard with Amplify at all, regardless of what perks a person is using. This occurred in MW3 as well. It happened to me last night on Strikezone. I had Dead Silence and Amplify on (like usual), and a guy without Dead Silence ran right up to me and knifed me in the back. I didn't hear him at all.
I'm on Wii U btw, so it may not have been fixed yet. We haven't had a patch in a while(never got the MSBS nerf). The next one is coming soon and should get us all up to date, hopefully this stupid exploit is fixed.
Neuromancer
Member
FINALLY beat Extinction with the help of a couple guys on PS4. Holy shit that was a rush at the end
. What a great mode, I enjoyed it 100x better than any Zombies map (after the first one in WaW anyway). Good job IW.
running back to the extraction point with hordes of aliens behind us, then taking off in the chopper and watching the nuke go off
Reckless Onion
Member
They really need to stop making it so Noob friendly, I let my girl who never plays fps Btw just sit in a corner camping and she had a 2kd. It's so fucking easy to get kills. They need to make the enemies work for the kills more. The camping in this game is so bad. I can't really blaim them for doing it also. I just want them to up the skill I guess.
ihearthawthats
Banned
I thought it was pretty terrible at first, but I feel it's pretty consistent. May take a while to learn but I can pinpoint with pretty good accuracy now. It's especially satisfying on Chasm. One thing I'd recommend is learn the sounds different surfaces make.
Has anyone else noticed how the latest patch changed the way footsteps work? If I don't use Amplify, I cannot hear footsteps at all. Amplify does not work very well, either. I don't know if its bad connections or what, but there's some games where I cannot hear footsteps at all. I've had people without Dead Silence run up to me and stab me in the back because I cannot hear them coming. I had this issue with Sitrep Pro in MW3 as well.
Neuromancer
Member
From the patch notes:
Make of that what you will.
I really wish IW would put in an option to turn down, or turn off, the in game music. It's kind of crazy they don't have a simple setting like that. When the music is blasting in the game you can't hear anything.
Daffy Duck
Member
Disgraceful that they strip the standard class loadouts down to 6, then sell you 4 more to up it again to 10.
Scumbag tactic that explains the WTF? at the first time I loaded up Ghosts to find only 6 classes, yes that's right they planned to sell it back to us!!
Scumbag tactic that explains the WTF? at the first time I loaded up Ghosts to find only 6 classes, yes that's right they planned to sell it back to us!!
Imagine if they started selling squad points.
Daffy Duck
Member
I'm starting to think that's how the Sledgehammer game is going to be!
It would be kind of cool if sledgehammer built multiplayer only content between IW & Trearch games.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
