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Consoles screenshots thread (PS4/Xbone/WiiU) [Up: Thread rules in OP]
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It's hard to notice when you're running around but if you stand still and shoot a guard tower and it comes falling down the ghosting is really hard to miss.
Can Crusher
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The AA solution in Infamous is crazy. That's one area I was afraid this gen was going to suffer from.
Clarkus Darkus
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Those shots are incredible, That first one looks like real life. Well done.
1.21Gigawatts
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No. The reason why Ryse is a little blurry is because its 900p upscaled to 1080p. They also use a custom anti alsiasing method which does a good job at evading jaggies, but it also hurts the sharpness of the image a bit.
As far as I know they call it SMAA 1TX, you can read up on it here: http://www.crytek.com/download/Sousa_Graphics_Gems_CryENGINE3.pdf
Infamous used a customized version of SMAA 2TX(presumably more advanced than what Ryse used )
since it has a higher number in it^^
Hmm, very interesting! Thnx for the link! Now i wish "CRTYEK" would release Ryse on PC!
They use SSR, but then you run into the problem of if you tilt the camera down and the actual sign is off camera, then the reflection would disappear too even though you would still actually see the reflection of the sign, so then a cubemap/baked reflection is used, and in some cases those appear in the slightly wrong location.
Any serious fighting game is going to have to stay at a flawless 60 fps during gameplay and has to be really responsive so you can't just make direct comparisons to other genres.
dr guildo
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Thanks a lot, glad to see people figuring out what I wanted to express by taking those shots.
Phreakuency
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Unfortunately (even though it's early days) I still think most games will suffer.
Perfect example for the argument that games need a toggle HUD option.
While he is a really talented voice actor, he's well on his way to becoming the new Nolan North. It will take a year or two but you'll grow to wish he didn't get all the fucking jobs all the fucking time like Nolan North did for a while
aY227
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Nah, its not worse, it has just better and different TAA component in comparison to 2Tx, You can even read that in slides You posted. 1Tx was developed on 2Tx, which is Tiago Sousa [Crytek] and Jorge Jimenez [now Activision] technique.
Its all about resolution difference.
dr_rus
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Ryse is looking so blurry because 1600x900 is blurry on a 50" 1920x1080 display.
Boy Wander
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Not a very pretty game. In particular, texture work on the ground and surfaces looks like late gen-2 or very early last gen to me. Probably a result of it's 3DS origins?
TV + Gamepad Shot
A couple of TV only shots....
TV + Gamepad Shot
A couple of TV only shots....
CriginsMcJuggs
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No man you're way off it doesn't "blur" the face it makes the "light" interact more realistically with the skin. Instead of just bouncing off the normal map like in the second shot some of it will penetrate the surface and and refract/reflect throughout the skin. That first shot of the face looks much better than the second
These are pre-rendered videos, Timu.
I did it for the hell of it, lol.These are pre-rendered videos, Timu.
See You Next Wednesday
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SMOK3Y
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this is the difference I was talking about in the Ryse thread the 2 figures in 'front' are excellent at the cost of blurriness of whats behind. just seems that way for me
Phreakuency
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Jaded Alyx
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Because beanies seem to be in style right now...
Melchiah
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Nice! I am working my way through that part of town now (midday).
I'm going to go around the town tomorrow, including that location, and see how it looks in the dark.
revolverjgw
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I've never seen a console game that looks as clean as Infamous. How? What kind of AA are they using?
Beat this the other day, now trying to collect all the puzzle pieces and beat
Dixie: "Lara Croft ain't got shit on me!"
I believe it's been mentioned a few times to be SMAA T2X anti aliasing. It really produces some fantastic results.
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Dixie: "Lara Croft ain't got shit on me!"
I believe it's been mentioned a few times to be SMAA T2X anti aliasing. It really produces some fantastic results.
SMAA T2x.
Just google'd it and my brain is confused from what I'm reading.
Is it a cheap solution or is it a good one?
According to Digital Foundry, the best they've ever seen.
*That doesn't involve Super Sampling or MSAA
SolidSnakex
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I believe that it's cheaper than MSAA, but basically everything is. That's really the goal of developers creating AA solutions. They want to be able to emulate the quality of MSAA while eliminating how taxing it is on hardware.
Liabe Brave
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It's cheaper than old high-quality solutions, but higher-quality than old cheap solutions.
Actually, there's discussion at Beyond3D suggesting that the 1Tx version does contribute some extra blurring of the image. The 2Tx version would be sharper on an individual frame...but susceptible to motion ghosting artifacts (as seen on some Infamous shots), which 1Tx avoids.
They're most likely cropped since you can't turn off the hud, this is what happens when you crop them:
Hmm that may explain why Ryse can be blurry besides the upscaling.
Oh okay, man all games really should have an option to turn off the HUD. Hell I thought that would be one of the options that would be implemented frequently in Wii U games given the gamepad. Wish more games would allow us to do that.
MidgarBlowedUp
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They really should allow for custom output resolutions on consoles, or at least provide a native output option for each game. Depending on the display it might be beneficial to let the display do the scaling instead of the gpu/console. Also, older HD CRT's accept all kinds of custom resolutions. A Sony XBR960 will accept up to 1840x1035 progressive scan and will easily do 900p.
What happened to his legs?
DemonCleaner
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I think this is the reason why images in Ryse look so blurry! "CRYTEK's Subsurface Scattering" is what creates blur...here's a link that explains more about it!
http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03...-without-some-of-its-advanced-visual-effects/
Subsurface Scattering Enabled
Subsurface Scattering Disabled
SSS in games is usually only applied on skin materials. it simulates the light distribution "inside" the material respectively under the surface. these materials look a lot more convincing in motion. and even on the two screens posted one must be somewhat insane to prefere the lower.
DemonCleaner
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not sure if im understanding you right. you're saying that the neonsigns SSR turns into a cubemap under a steep viewing angle?
physical based shading + global lighting = win
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i really like how we are seeing the very best of last gens corridor games texturing in open world games and with better IQ now.
It's his secret power.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I got stuck inside an overpass last night. Completely inside it. I tried everything to get out but I had to load my last save. I took screenshots, of course.
I think they're considered spoilers because of the HUD, which is dumb because they show that power (the third) almost at the beginning of the game, but whatevs.
The bridge in this second shot makes me hope that if we get future in game DLC it will be similar to Burnout Paradise and they can add an entire new island or city to the game, Curden Cay?
aY227
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There is no proof that it introduces additional blurring, because we have not seen native image with 1Tx applied yet. The only thing that can somehow point that it does introduce some additional blurring is because TAA component is based on TXAA technology and TXAA adds some blur to the image. But thats just speculation at this point, we need some native image without AA and native with 1Tx to know for sure.
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