Frank Serpico
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Right, because with the game going gold in a few months things will dramatically change
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DF: Can Halo 5 deliver on its 60fps promise?
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Right, because with the game going gold in a few months things will dramatically change
freshVeggie
Member
Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense.
While you're lurking, will halo 5 EVER have split screen at some point. Your answer determines if I buy the game (and probably others as well)
How can you make a proper comparison if they aren't final? There is a lot of refinement that happens in the end of development.
Killzone Shadowfall is a good candidate for an overall comparison once Halo 5 ships. Different targets too. Mind you, Killzone:SF is a launch game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfu1mYQXEg
SprachBrooks
Member
I honestly worry for that MisterX guy's mental health how can someone be so deluded?!
I can promise you that the Halo 5 ship date has been set in stone.
Microsoft was willing to ship Halo: MCC (and push Assassin's Creed: Unity) for Holiday 2014 in an unfinished state for the same reasons.
Three points
1) not final product (first party games can improve a lot in a short period)
2) I wonder what impact the ai has 3 ai companions must have a significant impact if their ai is competent
3) 343 are good technically given what they pulled off with halo 4 on 360 I'm inclined to give them the benefit on technical matters (yes I know the levels were smaller/less open etc but halo4 was graphically impressive . And they seem to be focussed on performance this time vs extra effects etc)
1) not final product (first party games can improve a lot in a short period)
2) I wonder what impact the ai has 3 ai companions must have a significant impact if their ai is competent
3) 343 are good technically given what they pulled off with halo 4 on 360 I'm inclined to give them the benefit on technical matters (yes I know the levels were smaller/less open etc but halo4 was graphically impressive . And they seem to be focussed on performance this time vs extra effects etc)
Performance? Likely. Considering the game uses an adaptive resolution based on performance, the topic is just not settled. But I guess there is already enough reason to post negativity about the game's resolution because it is dynamic.
Thats what I'm saying, I thought when I dropped $350 (well ore than that, I have purchased a x1 multiple times) I would be entitled to first class service, not 'it's broken, screw it, it's halo MCC, it's going out, people will buy it anyway'
Way... To twist my words?
It could be part of the long term plans, no different then someone asking on twitter
If he answers he answers, chill
Better hardware can produce better graphics at twice the frametime, especially with a game with a graphics emphasis. News at 11.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Watching the MS E3 conference on an otherwise 60FPS stream, I was convinced the campaign footage of Halo 5 was 30FPS. I really though they are going 30FPS campaign/60FPS multi.
7DollarHagane
Banned
This is gonna be like witcher 3 where the cutscenes are 1080p and everything else is 900 or lower.
I don't care if the single player is 30.
This game seems like its got some technical difficulties this close to launch..
I don't care for dynamic resolution that changes that much. It's going to be super obvious and they should just lock the resolution and frame rate..
I don't care if the single player is 30.
This game seems like its got some technical difficulties this close to launch..
I don't care for dynamic resolution that changes that much. It's going to be super obvious and they should just lock the resolution and frame rate..
EmptySpace
Banned
1152 x 810.
ahahaha. it's like they're trying so hard not to go down as low as 1280x720.
finally we're seeing what the xbone is truly capable of.
is it going to be like witcher dynamic resolution where it is 900p most of the time and goes up to 1080p instead of the other way around?
ahahaha. it's like they're trying so hard not to go down as low as 1280x720.
finally we're seeing what the xbone is truly capable of.
is it going to be like witcher dynamic resolution where it is 900p most of the time and goes up to 1080p instead of the other way around?
Yeah I don't care if single player is 30 either and the multi is 60 (isn't uncharted doing that) but if that's the case, why cut split screen?
Because they won't be making the single player 30. They got a goal, they are going for it, God speed
Pretty ignorant statement given that optimization and bug fixing is the last thing that happens in game development.
dancrane212
Member
I'm most likely mis-remembering but didn't Halo 2 Anniversary have an E3 showing where the game had bad character models for the elites and had a hard time maintaining 60fps running at 720p? The game launched with problems for sure but there was a decent amount of improvements in those couple months before release.
I wouldn't write Halo 5 off because of it's lack of technical merit until it's out. Folk aren't kidding when they say optimization happens in the very final stages of development.
Haha lol.
lukeskymac
Member
To be fair, most of the time those controversial opinions are supported by exactly zero valid arguments.
soulassssns
Banned
I never claimed it was DFs final opinion.
Umm??? It's a fair comparison to judge the trade-offs of performance, graphics, effects etc in similar games with similar sci-fi undertones in the same genre. One happens to be a year + a half old.
I don't think a suggestion can be made that the gameplay in the game was sacrificed for the graphics. Mistakes and poor choices were made, when it came to story, encounter design among others... Killzone gameplay however, that was solidified a long time ago with previous entries.
Nice, it's almost like you're funny
Damn, how?
The Sum of Zero
Gold Member
Hey look, another Gaming-side Halo thread where people shit on 343 based on knee-jerk reactions.
panda-zebra
Member
What's unique to first party that makes this so?
Pretty ignorant statement given that optimization and bug fixing sometimes takes place months after release.
soulassssns
Banned
Just another day on GAF.
Samurai G0SU
Member
PLease notify me when this is ready. lol
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Poor MisterXclown, Dat Secret Sauce still not have arrived on devs hands...
holy shit ive seen this dude in GT, his posts are actually funny
What's unique to first party that makes this so?
Pretty ignorant statement given that optimization and bug fixing sometimes takes place months after release.
First party devs are optimizing towards only 1 target spec and also have more experience with that spec so familiarity plus singular focus = better optimizations (I assume)
Yup, but I'd say it's more like treating fellow GAF'ers visiting GAF. Frank's been a member here since 2004. Always funny when people say he hasn't responded to us but is in so and so thread or posted this, as if it's his job to placate the nerds on HaloGAF.
panda-zebra
Member
So why does that take place late in the day over the development period?
7DollarHagane
Banned
Honestly I don't care about how good the game looks or how many effects it has or doesnt have.
Halo 3 was not a great looking game but it was a lot of fun. The only real impressive thing was the hdr lighting and the water effects on Valhalla.
Just make a great game that runs 1080p/30 all the time and do what effects you can within those constraints.
If the combat scenarios, weapons, and enemies are fun people will keep coming back and more people will buy the game.
If there's flashy graphics effects but it cranks down to 720p all the time and frame rate is inconsistent that's a bad experience.
Halo 3 was not a great looking game but it was a lot of fun. The only real impressive thing was the hdr lighting and the water effects on Valhalla.
Just make a great game that runs 1080p/30 all the time and do what effects you can within those constraints.
If the combat scenarios, weapons, and enemies are fun people will keep coming back and more people will buy the game.
If there's flashy graphics effects but it cranks down to 720p all the time and frame rate is inconsistent that's a bad experience.
Like I said I'm assuming that familiarity and focus essentially Elevates all phases of dev and given optimizations are normally the last part they also would be suitably better in that phase of dev too ... I'm just making an analog to say if I left all my code optimizations to the end I would assume I would be able to optimiza it much better in a langue I'm familiar with ... assumingsomething similar .
I'm expecting a forge reveal of sorts at rtx. Isn't that where reach and 4 were first shown?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Because there's not much point in optimizing content that could be changed or eliminated entirely.
Rooster Teeth Expo. The Red vs. Blue (amongst many other things) guys.
The Sum of Zero
Gold Member
Convention held by Rooster Teeth in Texas.
Honestly I care more about what they have to say about RWBY then any Halo 5 stuff that'll show up. They can wow me at gamescom.
panda-zebra
Member
Would have thought late work might prove more effective on multiplats given the opportunity to replace the generic with more tailored, platform-specific optimisations, personally. First party targeting a single platform much less so.
You seem happy. But I wonder why.
7DollarHagane
Banned
I wonder why naughty dog shows something so polished so much earlier than 343.
I just get the impression that naughty dog is a tier above 343 in tech and skill.
That's just my impression from their output as of late.
I don't know what the problem is here? 343 aimed for performance first and are trying to keep that consistent and deliver the best looking experience they can. It reminds me of Forza 5 at launch but here the effects are cranked up much more so understandable that the resolution had to take a dip.
I really hope he ignores that post.
Yeah WTF was that shit. Sometimes I'm really embarrassed by the way some nut jobs here treat the devs. Frank is an awesome asset to GAF and I am glad to have him around and not just in the gaming but also in the OT forum.
I really hope he ignores that post.