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Did Konami ever fix the Silent Hill HD collection?
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The link to 1up is not working but I have the text from a interview with tomm hulett on the problem with preservation.
The most important post here for the OP. Still loved them on his first experience.
akidnamededdy
Banned
From what I remember, I thought the patch only/mostly applied to SH3--that it had more major glitches and stuff at launch than SH2 did.
The new voices are optional in SH2 (they suck) but mandatory in SH3 (they suck) because of some weird issue they had with VA rights or so they said.
As someone who played the PS2 originals, the state of the HD collection is a downright tragedy and almost enough to make someone advocate piracy if the HD collection was their only real option. The PC versions of SH2 and 3 can be made to work just fine on modern rigs and it doesn't take THAT much effort.
The new voices are optional in SH2 (they suck) but mandatory in SH3 (they suck) because of some weird issue they had with VA rights or so they said.
As someone who played the PS2 originals, the state of the HD collection is a downright tragedy and almost enough to make someone advocate piracy if the HD collection was their only real option. The PC versions of SH2 and 3 can be made to work just fine on modern rigs and it doesn't take THAT much effort.
You could apply that same bolded quote to any of the Bluepoint collections, still the point stands that Bluepoint reverse engineered the code from the retail disc code.
nkarafo
Member
Like some people already mentioned, i could care less about the bugs. Heck, even the PC versions have bugs but these are my favorite versions.
Its the artistic changes that ruined the HD collection. They changed how the game looks and feels, for the worst ofc. Even the original creator was upset about this in some of his tweets as i remember.
Its the artistic changes that ruined the HD collection. They changed how the game looks and feels, for the worst ofc. Even the original creator was upset about this in some of his tweets as i remember.
kitschykitty
Member
I played through them just fine, but the HD collection has a large amount of changes from the originals in cutscenes, sounds, in game textures, everything. It's the worst way to play the games by far, but despite its bugs it is still playable.
When a bug removes a sound that makes or breaks a scene, you'd better care.
ramoisdead
Member
Hexadrive are godsends. I wish Rez HD would've made it to PS3 or PC. I bet Hexadrive would've been glad to do that.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I still can't believe how terrible the lake looked. Yuck.
This is amazing. What were they thinking?
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
OP, don't fucking get the HD collection. It is an atrocity of a release and it is a disservice to the fans and the franchise.
I still can't believe how terrible the lake looked. Yuck.
Yup that was undeniably horrible.
nkarafo
Member
Well, if its something so bad, i agree. I'm mostly referring to smaller bugs and graphic glitches. What i'm saying is that even if the HD collection didn't have the game breaking bugs it appears to have, it would still be a bad release due to the artistic changes that completely altered the vision of the original creators.
How it runs isn't even the biggest problem about this collection, it's the huge artistic changes that were made that ruin or distort the atmosphere the most important part of any SH game.
Does the original version have that damage-animation loop as well? dear god
I was watching a friend play through the PC version of SH2 for the first time, and when she reached the first pyramid head fight in the apartments the background audio bugged out and disappeared. Complete silence save for the sounds coming from James and the PH.
She didn't realize anything was wrong but I was losing my shit. It's for this reason I only recommend people play the PS2 versions. It's the only way to be sure.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Patched PS3 version is fine with the exeption of horrible looking water in the boat scene. Dunno about SH3.
UltraGunner
Banned
Nope. Just remember that the guy who approved it loves Silent Hill More than anyone else (His words not mine).
Mr. Enigma
Member
PC version of Silent Hill 2 is almost impossible to find legally for a good price, though. Even the PS2 version is pricey.
grandwizard
Member
It's a real shame for a series that has so many obviously deliberate artistic decisions to have them completely butchered in this fashion. The fact many people might have seen this as an opportunity to jump into the series and play the HD collection as their first Silent Hill experience is extremely aggravating to me. It is the ultimate cherry on top of the disgraceful way Konami has treated the Silent Hill series for the last decade.
The only way to play a true HD version of SH2 or 3 is to get the PC versions and mod/patch them up, if those are unavailable then it's probably just best to play the PS2 versions and deal with the jaggies.
The only way to play a true HD version of SH2 or 3 is to get the PC versions and mod/patch them up, if those are unavailable then it's probably just best to play the PS2 versions and deal with the jaggies.
Hopefully there's some incentive for Konami to put them on Steam, not these butchered HD editions but the old ports, warts and all.
Sevket-Erhat
Member
After seeing all this I thank God for not being a SH fan. What a disaster
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
I have the pc versions but honestly I'm ready to take the dive on the hd collections.
I don't enjoy gaming on my laptop and don't want to screw around setting up a controller.
sometimes comfort is more important than quality.
I don't enjoy gaming on my laptop and don't want to screw around setting up a controller.
sometimes comfort is more important than quality.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I want to play them again as well
People are saying the PS3 version is fixed. Is this true? Or should I get it form PSN?
People are saying the PS3 version is fixed. Is this true? Or should I get it form PSN?
Christ! Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is dumb as a doormat talking down someone that had every right to claim his compensation. Not to mention how as the director for the new voices recording she did an appalling job. Shows her as a light headed singing girl who can't even grasp the essence of what she's been working on all these years.
Wish I hadn't seen that, 'Letter - From the Lost Days' is never going to evoke the same feelings now.
How it runs isn't even the biggest problem about this collection, it's the huge artistic changes that were made that ruin or distort the atmosphere— the most important part of any SH game.
Jeeesus.
I still can't believe how terrible the lake looked. Yuck.
Oh my.
Somnium986
Member
This right here. Although since you've never played them you could go with the HD collection, but that's if it's your only option. Otherwise go PC,yo. The first Silent Hill is on the PSN store as well.
Yeah, the port sucked out a lot of the atmosphere.
I decided earlier yesterday that I also need to dip into Silent Hill. It's one of the somewhat small list of games I never ended up getting around to. Everything I'm seeing here, in regards to the HD collection, is truly terrifying. I applaud their efforts. Never have I been so frightened!
Backfoggen
Banned
No.
Yep. They even cleaned up the streets. Team Silent really fucked up and made the streets look dirty and used. It looked really shitty back then. Now in the new HD collection the pavement is brand new. Isn't that great? Dirty streets look horrible in HD, I can tell you that.
DrDrizzay101
Member
PS3 version has been patched but people need to realize it's not possible to restore it to the exact final release version. That information is gone, kinda like lossy audio compression. The HD Collection was made from beta code, as others have mentioned.
http://www.exophase.com/41760/silent-hill-hd-collection-was-ported-from-beta-source-code/
SH3 original voice acting is also completely gone. Of course some people don't care about this stuff, but I think it's worth caring about for these games.
I don't know if they patched it out but they had changed a critical scene in SH2 in a way that fundamentally crippled the artistic (and even basic story) message originally intended. (
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This, haha.
http://www.exophase.com/41760/silent-hill-hd-collection-was-ported-from-beta-source-code/
SH3 original voice acting is also completely gone. Of course some people don't care about this stuff, but I think it's worth caring about for these games.
I don't know if they patched it out but they had changed a critical scene in SH2 in a way that fundamentally crippled the artistic (and even basic story) message originally intended. (
Putting fake TV outline around the VHS video James plays at the hotel where he remembers what happened to his wife. If you didn't know what happened, it was easy to completely miss it.
This, haha.
No. They improved some scenes were the fog was missing/hardly any fog in SH2 but the boat section is still the same even after the last PS3 patch.
Omnii-chan
Member
Archived assets from the games were lost so there was nothing they could do and Konami forced it out.
Not completely gone. They kept the original Heather death screams.
Acquiescence
Member
From what I hear, 2 is mostly sorted out on the PS3 now, but not the 360. I'm tempted to get it, just so I can bypass the awful original voice acting of both games. Silent Hill 2 is the seminal survival-horror, don't get me wrong, but boy does the immersion factor drop to zero whenever James opens his mouth.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I fucking dare you to find a single image from the hd collection that shows some significant increase in detail without somehow botching something else in the image.
So you...want the new va for James? Man you must be a big fan of english anime voice acting cuz that's what it becomes. The team chose James's voice and way of talking and made sure it was like that on purpose, you understand that right?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Actually I forgot to apply the sound-fix so I went back and installed it and it worked properly after. This also reminds me I need to get back to the game!
Acquiescence
Member
Quite the opposite, I hate Western dubs in anime. It's just that, listening to the likes of Troy Baker has got to be vastly superior than having to endure Guy Cihi's brand of gormless non-acting.
Credit where credit's due though, the actress who played Mary/Maria was good.
"The problem with source asset drops is that you don't know if it's the final shipped data," O'Neil explains. "People will go and make last-minute changes So what we do is take the retail disc and reverse-engineer it. With God Of War, we actually got a big virtual knife and chopped off their entire renderer and replaced it with ours."
That's what Bluepoint did.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/bluepoint-hd-remakes-you-make-one-mistake-and-it-kills-it/#null
Sounds like a better approach than using a beta version as source.