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Digital Foundry: Assassin creed origins Xbox one x tech first look.
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Christocolus
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We're off topic, but I think the idea is close enough to the nature of a DF article. I wouldn't normally take bait like this, but I like racing games, and I like good racing games, so here we are:
Forza 7 is up there among games in that genre, and it's not a technologically "simple" genre for various reasons. That game running in 4K @ a reliable 60 fps bodes well for the strength of the 1X hardware, doubly-so because a major strain on racing sims is CPU performance, due to the high refresh rate on the underlying simulation. CPU is the weakest aspect of the 1X.
These are from plain gameplay footage captured at E3 (HDR squished down to RGB), and I grabbed the gifs:
It's no surprise to me that the 1X version of Origins is using basically "High" settings from PC.
Beautiful....
There's going to be an immense amount of more 4k native games on Xbox One X compared to pro that's for sure
Anthem going to look ridiculous better compared to pro
Infinity Warfare uses CBR on PS4 Pro and a dynamic resolution. So it jumps from dynamic 1080p to dynamic 2160c.
Assassin's Creed has both
Christocolus
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I was already going to buy the 1X but Anthem convinced my brother to do same. That game looks incredible. I hope MS and EA Market the hell out of that game. Best thing I saw at E3.
panda-zebra
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MaximusPayne
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When we finally see it on 1X
It will look better, regardless. Because Teraflops, yo.
SEGAvangelist
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geordiemp
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You will get that if you have a PC wih an I5 or Ryzen.
Jaguar you will get 30 FPS, and with ps4 pro and Xb1X scorpio it will be nice and stable 30 FPS.
Looks nice, I will enjoy my peasant checkerboard on Ps4 pro as opposed to the superior pixel checkerboard on Xb1X
(although in all serious probably the biggest benefit of Xb1X will be the LOD and pop in, resolution you would have to put your face to the damn TV).
Were you not going nuts in the Scorpio thread about 60 FPS and we did say you would come back to earth quickly.
Didnt take long did it.
Have you seen Anthem on the Pro?
Honestly based on the few game comparisons that we DO have, I wouldn't be surprised if the difference is something like 1800 vs 1440.
It did look great one the one x though. Hopefully that's actually representative of the game when it releases (it won't be).
Textures
When we finally see it on 1X
Footage was X gameplay as stated in showing as thy said "showing Xbox One X power...." as they played gameplay
Setting yourself up for disappointment.
Pro won't be able to do what the Xbox One X can do due to hardware no matter what res.
5.5GB vs 9.5GB allow superior draw distance, textures, poly models, tesselation, etc
211GB/S vs 326GB/S allows better AF, shaders effects, etc
Pro will run base console settings while X will run pc high settings with 4k assets that memory will allow can't fit in 5.5gb of ran
Or like Sony saying they have a 4K console and don't even put a UHD player in their console.
I'd say that it was closer to Sony inventing the phrase FULL HD 1080P when talking about the Ps3.
Beer Monkey
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We're off topic, but I think the idea is close enough to the nature of a DF article. I wouldn't normally take bait like this, but I like racing games, and I like good racing games, so here we are:
Forza 7 is up there among games in that genre, and it's not a technologically "simple" genre for various reasons. That game running in 4K @ a reliable 60 fps bodes well for the strength of the 1X hardware, doubly-so because a major strain on racing sims is CPU performance, due to the high refresh rate on the underlying simulation. CPU is the weakest aspect of the 1X.
These are from plain gameplay footage captured at E3 (HDR squished down to RGB), and I grabbed the gifs:
It's no surprise to me that the 1X version of Origins is using basically "High" settings from PC.
I don't play racing games but this looks beautiful.
My body is ready. Day 1 console for me.
stargateheaven
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I am looking forward to anthem looks on x1x. Its gonna lookgreat on all platforms.
It can play 4k content so what does it matter?
It can play 4k content so what does it matter?
Outrun
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Christocolus
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Are you saying he is wrong?
Lol if ultra high res textures, longer draw distance, better shader effects, more poly, and smoother gameplay is what you think won't happen you'll be in disappoint camp
I'm saying it won't look ridiculously better.
For the examples I stated it would for me
let the face off beginFor the examples I stated it would for me
Fair enough.
Memory as you have to load more data to store and render for longer draw distances
Risk Breaker
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Draw distance doesn't depend on ram much, but on CPU due to increased draw calls. Polygons also don't take that much ram, but depending on draw calls they can get heavy on CPU, or GPU at very high polycounts. Tesselation is compute/gpu dependent, not really ram.
So at least half of your list is wrong. As usual you don't really know what you're talking about, technically speaking.
PS4P also has more available ram than PS4. Not much, but some.
Wait wait wait. Since when has 9.5GB been available to developers?
I too think games on the X will look nicer but there's no reason to mislead or exaggerate here.
Bits N Pieces
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I'm on mobile but has anyone posted Jez's tweet about no difference between Pro and X for this game?
It's actually 9GB, not sure why he said 9.5GB.
Not too long ago Microsoft came out and said that it freed up an extra 1GB of RAM for developers from 8GB to 9GB.
NullPointer
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But I thought that was the XBX's entire reason for existing with its particular specs and price. Native 4K as opposed to the Pro's checkerboard offering.
Not that I personally care about 4K, and would rather see benefits for 1080p, but if the XBX isn't about a baseline of native 4K and it doesn't have the CPU to push 60fps on existing XBO 30fps games, then its really just a somewhat better Pro.
geordiemp
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Liliana Eileen
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Man, it's going to be a bloodbath come November DF comparisons. People screaming aboutabout checkerboarding are going to mysteriously disappear.
No it's memory as more objects you render need more space to hold thier data. Clearly you don't know much
There's a reason why gpu now have 8+go of vram to run on high settings
NullPointer
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Most of the games I have installed on my PS4 are 60fps or have 60fps modes (and hell, same for the far fewer games I have on the Xbox too right now that I think about it). Thats a far cry from last gen, so I don't see those tweets as lies.
They're businesses, they all lie when they can.
Crayon
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On a scale of one to everything, how important is winning df comparisons to you?
Liliana Eileen
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I could care less, tbh. Just speaking the truth.
geordiemp
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Jaguar
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Not really, this is coming from 900p on Xbox One and it's always been expected that 900p games like Ryse: Son of Rome will likely need to use checkerboard to hit 4k. Based on the analysis, it sounds really good, comparable to high end PC texture quality wise.
OdysseusVA
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Yes jez the problem is the weakass cpu lol I cracked the mystery
Thanks guys, I know it's 9GB which is why I'm wondering he's stretching it to 9.5GB.